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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Abhanliath on Tuesday 02 April 24 13:35 BST (UK)
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I can't for the life of me find the labour activist Helena Molony in either the 1901 or the 1911 Census of Ireland. She's said to have lived with her brother Frank (a couple of years older than her) and his wife in Sherrard Street from around 1900 to 1910.
She was born in 1883 to Michael Molony, grocer, and Kate, née McGrath, in 8 Cole's Lane (off Henry Street just to the north of the Liffey); in 1885 her mother died, and in 1890 her father died. Her father had remarried, but she and her brother Frank did not get on with their stepmother and left home around 1899. Frank and his wife emigrated to the US in 1909.
I've found her birth in 1883 and her parents' marriage in 1876, and what's probably her father's death in 1890 (TB, NDU) and her mother's in 1885 (epilepsy, Cole's Lane); and possibly her father's remarriage in 1887 (to Catherine O'Hanlon; he's in Clanbrassil Street and a grocer, which sounds right, but he gives his father's name as Denis, whereas he named him as Michael in the earlier marriage…
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Is this a possibility for Helena?
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Trinity/City_Quay/1309879/
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For reference-
Marriage of Michael Molony & Kate McGrath-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11179/8096434.pdf
Birth of Maurice Francis Maloney-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02939/2077000.pdf
Birth registered as Helena Mary, daughter of Michael Moloney (grocer) & Catherine McGrath-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02750/2010423.pdf
Death of Kate Maloney-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06278/4798955.pdf
? Marriage of Michael Moloney & Catherine O'Hanlon-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10820/5946111.pdf
? https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Trinity/City_Quay/1309879/
? marriage of a Maurice F. Moloney, journalist, 11 Brunswick St., Dublin (witness Helena Moloney)-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Trinity/City_Quay/1309879/
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1911 census- H.M. (female, age 28, single, domestic) in High Park Penitentiary might be worth looking at further.
Church record of the Moloney/O'Hanlon marriage gives his parents as Denis Maloney & Mary Reddy-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=harrington-street_mf_1865-1912_ma_0259
Baptism of Helen Mary Molony-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.marys_pro-cathedral_mf_1880-1889_ba_0318
Baptism of Catherine Mary Molony-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.marys_pro-cathedral_mf_1880-1889_ba_0083
Birth (15 June 1880 at 8 Coles La.)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02863/2049008.pdf
Death-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06404/4838925.pdf
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Thank you for all of these!
The link to the marriage of Maurice/Frank above is actually a link to the census, and I can't find that marriage…? Edit: ah, found it, thank you! https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10292/5746311.pdf
If this is the death of their father it's sad indeed https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06107/4743000.pdf
Helena Molony had started acting by 1911, parallel with the closure of her journal Bean na hÉireann, which may have moved her around in the census that year - she could have been touring with one of the theatre companies.
If Frank and his wife left Ireland and emigrated to America around 1909, it suddenly occurs to me, they might be on ship's records.
That census entry is interesting - I thought Frank and Helena had actually run away from their wicked stepmother two years before 1901.
What did Catherine Mary die of? I see that she was "delicate from birth" and had something "8 months certified".
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The link to the marriage of Maurice/Frank above is actually a link to the census, and I can't find that marriage…?
The marriage was in Rathdown SRD on 19 November 1902 at Bray RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10292/5746311.pdf
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Snap!
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Sorry for posting the wrong link but Kiltaglassan found it.
Catherine Mary- "Delicacy from birth Tabes Mesenterica 8 mos."
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I saw that 1890 death but far too young to be the father Michael (1890-25 years=1865)- first marriage was 1876. Also address is Richmond _.
Speaking of address, notices in newspapers show 8 Coles Lane coming up in sales notices in Oct.1885 (Michael's 1st wife Kate died the Aug. previous).
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1911 census- H.M. (female, age 28, single, domestic) in High Park Penitentiary might be worth looking at further.
Perhaps transferred to Dublin later
Letter dated 10 July 1911 to Freeman’s Journal appearing on 11 July 1911
I was released from Mountjoy Prison today..
Goes on to state someone unknown had paid her fine and she wasn’t happy about it.
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Maurice Francis Moloney-
WWI Draft Registration card- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6JN-49V
Naturalization record- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPRB-NB2X (Left Queenstown, Ireland on "Majestic" 12 Aug.1909).
Here's the passenger manifest- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JX18-DXM
Sister Miss H. Moloney, 6 Lower Sherrard St., Dublin. Also gives address of uncle Patrick Anderson in N.Y.
Added- birth of daughter Moira Deirdre in 1906-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01741/1687667.pdf (87 St. Isnatius Rd.)
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Would be an exceptionally young marriage all right! Unless they got the age wrong, which they occasionally did in death registrations (I've even come across one man who died twice, once in Tipperary and once in Dublin).
Here's Maurice in the 1930 census working as a printer, with wife Sarah and two daughters, living in Queens https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRCX-4MR?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AX452-2NF&action=view
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1911 census- H.M. (female, age 28, single, domestic) in High Park Penitentiary might be worth looking at further.
Perhaps transferred to Dublin later
Letter dated 10 July 1911 to Freeman’s Journal appearing on 11 July 1911
I was released from Mountjoy Prison today..
Goes on to state someone unknown had paid her fine and she wasn’t happy about it.
Ah, that'll be when she flung the stone at the picture of the English royals who were visiting, God bless her! Thanks! (How do I find High Park Penitentiary in the census?)
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Other daughter Maeve Kathleen Mary Moloney
Born 1 May 1904 at 83 St Ignatius Road.
Mother Sarah Agnes gives her husband's name as Murray Francis Moloney.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01828/1714524.pdf
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How do I find High Park Penitentiary in the census?
Select 1911 census, the put in initials H.M., select female. Click on page where you'll see lots of names. Scroll down and select Prison Return (form K which brings you to this page-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000027863/
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Other daughter Maeve Kathleen Mary Moloney
Born 1 May 1904 at 83 St Ignatius Road.
Mother Sarah Agnes gives her husband's name as Murray Francis Moloney.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01828/1714524.pdf
More likely that the registrar muddled it up.
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Application for naturalisation (again, Maurice Francis) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89M8-L9QK-4?view=index&action=view
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How do I find High Park Penitentiary in the census?
Select 1911 census, the put in initials H.M., select female. Click on page where you'll see lots of names. Scroll down and select Prison Return (form K which brings you to this page-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000027863/
Thanks for the result, but how do you mean scroll down and select Prison Return?
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Scroll down the list of names. Under the names you will see links on left side of page. Click on the link which says Prison Return (form K) and then you'll see the page I posted a link for. At top of that page it gives details of the institution.
Have you found 2nd wife Catherine/Kate after 1901 census? might show something of interest.
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Maurice Francis Moloney-
Here's the passenger manifest- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JX18-DXM
Sister Miss H. Moloney, 6 Lower Sherrard St., Dublin. Also gives address of uncle Patrick Anderson in N.Y.
On the facing page of the passenger manifest he says he's going to an uncle, Patrick Anderson of 342 West 11th Street, New York, then continues with "Dispch [I think] to Mrs Dudley Diggs 747 Southern Boulevard, Bronx, NYC". Mrs Dudley Digges was the actress and Inghinidhe na h-Éireann member Máire Quinn, a friend of Helena Molony's.
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It's Disch = discharged.
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Scroll down the list of names. Under the names you will see links on left side of page. Click on the link which says Prison Return (form K) and then you'll see the page I posted a link for. At top of that page it gives details of the institution.
Have you found 2nd wife Catherine/Kate after 1901 census? might show something of interest.
I have found a few possibilities but nothing likely for CathKate.
I'm dense; I can't see any Prison Return
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It's Disch = discharged.
What would that mean on a ship's manifest?
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Ah, dinner is called. Tomorrow.
(Thank you for all this fantastic help.)
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Discharged to the care of rather than to the nearest relative/friend list (Patrick Anderson). In other words, although Patrick was a uncle they were going to stay with someone else in N.Y.
Search page- https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
fill in M (surname), H (forename), 28 (age), select Dublin (county) and female (sex). Also county of origin (Dublin).
Brings up 1 entry-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=true&census_year=1911&surname=m&firstname=h&county19011911=Dublin&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=&houseNumber=&ded=&age=28&sex=F&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=Dublin&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
Click on that entry and you get long list of names and links below then-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra/Gracepark_Road/14157/
Click on Prison Return (form K)- 1st option which brings you to this page which shows name of institution at top-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000027863/
The entry for H.M. is on additional page 7 towards bottom of page-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000027871/
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Discharged to the care of rather than to the nearest relative/friend list (Patrick Anderson). In other words, although Patrick was a uncle they were going to stay with someone else in N.Y.
Search page- https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
fill in M (surname), H (forename), 28 (age), select Dublin (county) and female (sex). Also county of origin (Dublin).
Brings up 1 entry-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=true&census_year=1911&surname=m&firstname=h&county19011911=Dublin&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=&houseNumber=&ded=&age=28&sex=F&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=Dublin&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
Click on that entry and you get long list of names and links below then-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra/Gracepark_Road/14157/
Click on Prison Return (form K)- 1st option which brings you to this page which shows name of institution at top-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000027863/
The entry for H.M. is on additional page 7 towards bottom of page-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000027871/
Ahh. Thank you. They have her initials reversed?
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Helena Molony toured with the Abbey Theatre… not sure of the year. She spent all of 1914 in France with Maud Gonne, think it might have been when she came back… either 1912-1913 or 1915. Probably not 1913 when she was running the shirt factory in Liberty Hall.
I took a look to see if Frank/Maurice had applied for a US passport, but no luck; he emigrated to America in 1909 and died in 1967, I think.
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Once I had Michael Molony's second marriage in the church records I was able to find it in the civil records - not by searching by his name, but by O'Hanlon's. But what's that he's calling his father? It looks more like Reddery than Reddy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10820/5946111.pdf
And the wicked stepmother - I looked through the various deaths without any luck - my heart went pit-a-pat when I found one around the right age who was a "provisioner" but no, her son PJ Moloney was on the spot, so not her.
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Ahh. Thank you. They have her initials reversed?
Check the column headings at the top of the page. H is her foreman and M is her surname just like I put in search boxes.
Once I had Michael Molony's second marriage in the church records I was able to find it in the civil records - not by searching by his name, but by O'Hanlon's. But what's that he's calling his father? It looks more like Reddery than Reddy
Father Denis Moloney (deceased)
The surname Reddy appears as Michael's mother (Mary Reddy) in church record.
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Ha! I'm still asleep. Thank you!
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I took a look to see if Frank/Maurice had applied for a US passport, but no luck; he emigrated to America in 1909 and died in 1967, I think.
Possible he never left U.S. after 1909 and didn't need to apply for a passport.
1930 census with wife Sarah-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X452-2NN
1940 census with wife 'Sorca' (Sorcha is the Irish for Sarah)- is this Sarah Agnes or another wife?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQPW-L6B
1950 census with Sorca-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6XRQ-3WVG
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Ahh thank you. Yes, most likely Sorca (Sorcha nowadays now that the buailte has been replaced by h) is Sarah. He probably had no reason to return to Ireland, sadly. They seem to have been a family devoid of extension.
Looked it up, and while Helena Molony was a member of the Abbey's Second Company and then promoted to the First Company, she toured in Britain but not in America. Just having a quick look in the Stage Yearbook to see if she appears, but the search takes a kludgy while.
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And aha, yes, here she is with various friends - Constance Markievicz and her sister Eva Gore-Booth, Nellie Gifford, Seán Connolly - in two productions from the Stage Yearbook of 1913. (These would be from 1912, of course.)
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I can't express the depth of my thanks for all the help you've given me, Aghadowey and Kiltaglassan.