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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: HarryW on Tuesday 09 July 24 09:49 BST (UK)
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I'm hoping that someone with access to Australian records may be able to help. When the UK 1911 census was published, we found a previously unknown great aunt of my wife; Jessie May THATCHER b 8 Sep 1910. She also appears on the 1921 census and after that disappears. A record has come to light that may solve the mystery:
On 24 November 1939 a Jessie THATCHER aged 29 takes passage on board Strathnaver (Southampton - Brisbane).
I'd be grateful if there are any sightings or knowledge for Jessie in Australia.
Harry
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Hi Harry
it would be helpful to have Jessie's parents name please
cheers!
Lou
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Trove - Oz newspapers
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/40890161?searchTerm=jessie%20thatcher
Possibility?
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Yes, I was just about to post the same article. As this Jessie THATCHER is returning home after being in England, I would think she is unlikely to be yours.
Another article about someone going to visit Jessie THATCHER in England a few months earlier "a fellow Queenslander"
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/184895919
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There is a Jessie M WALKER born 8 Sept 1910 on the 1939 register in Aireborough, Yorkshire - have you ruled her out?
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Thanks for the information, that rules out the Jessie travelling to Brisbane.
I need to have a look at Jessie WALKER in Yorkshire. On the face of it, she married as Jessie M HOBSON, possibly a second marriage?? That seems unlikely as the marriage was in 1930 when she would have been 20.
Harry
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The (Aus) 'RYERSON INDEX' shows:
Funeral Notice: Jessie THATCHER 16/3/1951 Cremation 'Sydney Morning Herald' 17/3/1951.
Valerie
WAus
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The Jessie THATCHER who died in Sydney in 1951 was 68 years old, father - Thomas with Howieson in brackets (according to the NSW BDM index), so born c1883.
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Thanks all,
I'm sure I can rue out the Jessie May who travelled to Australia. The search continues...
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If your Jessie is the daughter of Robert and Jessie (originally Atkins?), what's the source of the 8 Sep 1910 date of birth (initial post)?
A Jessie May Thatcher's birth was registered Dec Qtr 1908, Oldham, 8d 551 - mother's maiden name Atkins.
The 1911 Census (taken 2 Apr) gives her age as 2 1/2 years - fits a 1908 birth. Her age on the 1921 Census (taken 19 Jun) also fits a 1908 birth.
A Jessie M Thatcher married a Robert Sills, Dec qtr 1934, Liverpool South.
There is a Jessie M Sills, born 7 Sep 1908, husband Robert, at Southport on the 1939 Register. Southport links to the 1921 Census.
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I assumed the birth date came from her father's (Henry Thomas THATCHER) 1915 military enlistment which notes all his children and their dates of birth. (on Ancestry).
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I'd spotted the 2 birth registrations (1908 Oldham, 1910 Reigate) but for some reason plumped for the Oldham area and discounted Reigate. There was nothing in previously posted info that drew me to Oldham - odd.
Thanks for clarifying.
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I’m not at home today so can’t check anything. Jessie is the one born in Redhill (registered Reigate).
I’ve searched, as much as I can for records after the two marriage records. We are really not convinced on either. The problem is, there was nobody living that knew of her existence prior to publication of the 1911 census.
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I don't have a sub to findmypast, but there seems to be a mention of a Miss Jesise THATCHER at a funeral in 1942 in the Surrey Mirror (Reigate). 22 May 1942. :-\ I think the death was George REE.
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I don't have a sub to findmypast, but there seems to be a mention of a Miss Jesise THATCHER at a funeral in 1942 in the Surrey Mirror (Reigate). 22 May 1942. :-\ I think the death was George REE.
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There is a Jessie M WALKER born 8 Sept 1910 on the 1939 register in Aireborough, Yorkshire - have you ruled her out?
I need to have a look at Jessie WALKER in Yorkshire. On the face of it, she married as Jessie M HOBSON, possibly a second marriage?? That seems unlikely as the marriage was in 1930 when she would have been 20.
I think her middle name could be Margaret
Jessie Margaret Hobson
Birth Date 8 Sep 1910
Birth Place Horsforth
Relationship to Soldier Child
Herbert Hobson Self (Head)
Lily Haslam Spouse
Added just spotted this
Jessie Margaret Hobson age 20
Marriage 20 Dec 1930 Horsforth, St Margaret, West Yorkshire
Father Herbert Hobson
Spouse Cyril Rufus Walker
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Good research Ladyhawk, that rules her out. :)
Thanks for the newspaper clip hanes teulu, I wonder if any of the other names mentioned mean anything to HarryW as possible relatives of Jessie?
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Thanks everybody for your replies. I am fairly certain that we can rule out the Australian connection.
Jessie was definitely Jessie May and her date of birth was sourced from her father’s military attestation.
I’m going to recheck the SILLS marriage as I am not sure whether I could find the couple on the 1921 census. I’m not going to have any time prior to the weekend (looking after grandchildren).
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A Jessie M Thatcher married a Robert Sills, Dec qtr 1934, Liverpool South.
There is a Jessie M Sills, born 7 Sep 1908, husband Robert, at Southport on the 1939 Register. Southport links to the 1921 Census.
I’m going to recheck the SILLS marriage as I am not sure whether I could find the couple on the 1921 census. I’m not going to have any time prior to the weekend (looking after grandchildren).
For info.
from Lancashire BMD marriage 1934 Liverpool South, Register Office or Registrar Attended
Jessie M listed with two surnames WARD / THATCHER
It notes: Where the lady is remarrying and both her maiden name and former married name are on the entry in the register, then both are listed in the indexes.
It is not possible to tell from the indexes which is the maiden name.
It’s possible her maiden name might be Thatcher on Lancashire BMD a Thatcher Jessie M/ Ward marriage 1926
Not sure if this was posted
Jessie Mae Sills born 7 9 1908
Death quarter 3 Death year 1985 Birkenhead Cheshire
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A Jessie M Thatcher married a Robert Sills, Dec qtr 1934, Liverpool South.
There is a Jessie M Sills, born 7 Sep 1908, husband Robert, at Southport on the 1939 Register. Southport links to the 1921 Census.
I’m going to recheck the SILLS marriage as I am not sure whether I could find the couple on the 1921 census. I’m not going to have any time prior to the weekend (looking after grandchildren).
For info.
from Lancashire BMD marriage 1934 Liverpool South, Register Office or Registrar Attended
Jessie M listed with two surnames WARD / THATCHER
It notes: Where the lady is remarrying and both her maiden name and former married name are on the entry in the register, then both are listed in the indexes.
It is not possible to tell from the indexes which is the maiden name.
It’s possible her maiden name might be Thatcher on Lancashire BMD a Thatcher Jessie M/ Ward marriage 1926
Not sure if this was posted
Jessie Mae Sills born 7 9 1908
Death quarter 3 Death year 1985 Birkenhead Cheshire
I think I might have to bite the bullet and order the marriage certificate, at least it will prove one way or the other.
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She is most likely the one born in Oldham in 1908 mentioned earlier in this thread.
Do you know where Jessie's mother was in 1939? I can see that her father has another woman living in the family home but I cannot see Lilian Kate anywhere. Jessie's sister Margaret is with her maternal aunt Violet and husband Oscar WHEELER in Horsham and it looks like Lilian also died in Horsham in 1944. I thought that perhaps she and Jessie might be together somewhere in 1939.
Debra :)
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She is most likely the one born in Oldham in 1908 mentioned earlier in this thread.
Do you know where Jessie's mother was in 1939? I can see that her father has another woman living in the family home but I cannot see Lilian Kate anywhere. Jessie's sister Margaret is with her maternal aunt Violet and husband Oscar WHEELER in Horsham and it looks like Lilian also died in Horsham in 1944. I thought that perhaps she and Jessie might be together somewhere in 1939.
Debra :)
No - Lilian Kate, Vera and Jessie have not been found on the 1939 Register.
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If Vera married John BISHOP in Brighton in 1931 then they are in Shoreham-by-Sea in 1939.
Debra :)
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If Vera married John BISHOP in Brighton in 1931 then they are in Shoreham-by-Sea in 1939.
Debra :)
Vera Thatcher age 24
Marriage 3 Aug 1931 Brighton St Peter, Sussex
Father Henry Thomas Thatcher
Spouse John Bishop
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Not that this helps with finding Jessie
Lillian Maud Hills Age 81
Birth 1 Apr 1904 England
Death 22 Dec 1985 Ferndale, Whatcom, Washington, USA
Father Henry Thomas
Mother Lillian Kate Thatcher Prosser
Spouse William Hills
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Lillian M (born 1 April 1904) and William HILL are in Tipton, Staffordshire in 1939.
However, there is also a Lillian M (born 1 April 1904) and William HILLS in Chanctonbury, Sussex in 1939.
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Not that this helps with finding Jessie
Lillian Maud Hills Age 81
Birth 1 Apr 1904 England
Death 22 Dec 1985 Ferndale, Whatcom, Washington, USA
Father Henry Thomas
Mother Lillian Kate Thatcher Prosser
Spouse William Hills
Yes - that is my wife's maternal grandmother. She emigrated to live with her daughter (by her second marriage) shortly after my wife and I married.
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Lillian M (born 1 April 1904) and William HILL are in Tipton, Staffordshire in 1939.
However, there is also a Lillian M (born 1 April 1904) and William HILLS in Chanctonbury, Sussex in 1939.
Yes the Sussex couple is the correct ones, with their 3 children (my mother in law's half siblings).
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An incredible thread - all from a record of a Jessie THATCHER sailing to Australia :D
I think I'm going to have put Jessie to one side as I'm no nearer to discovering what happened to her.
I've deliberately not posted some of the family information as it's still a little sensitive, particularly regarding Henry Thomas THATCHER.
Thanks all.
Harry
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Is it possible that Jessie has died after 1921?
There is this death entry but no middle name :-\
THATCHER, JESSIE age 12
GRO Reference: 1922 D Quarter in ETON Volume 03A Page 917
If you think it's the correct death entry a digital image is available on GRO cost £3
her burial
Jessie Thatcher Age 12
Burial 1 Jan 1923 Kensington Cemetery, Hanwell, Middlesex
Burial Borough Kensington and Chelsea
Kensington and Chelsea, Church of England Parish Chest Records, 1597-1950
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Is it possible that Jessie has died after 1921?
There is this death entry but no middle name :-\
THATCHER, JESSIE age 12
GRO Reference: 1922 D Quarter in ETON Volume 03A Page 917
If you think it's the correct death entry a digital image is available on GRO cost £3
her burial
Jessie Thatcher Age 12
Burial 1 Jan 1923 Kensington Cemetery, Hanwell, Middlesex
Burial Borough Kensington and Chelsea
That must be a possibility. For £3.00 it's worth a try.
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That must be a possibility. For £3.00 it's worth a try.
Will keep my fingers crossed!
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That must be a possibility. For £3.00 it's worth a try.
Will keep my fingers crossed!
Bingo!! Jessie died at The Paddington Green Children's Hospital Convalsecent Home in Slough on 16 Dec 1922. Informant was her father Henry Thomas.
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That must be a possibility. For £3.00 it's worth a try.
Will keep my fingers crossed!
Bingo!! Jessie died at The Paddington Green Children's Hospital Convalsecent Home in Slough on 16 Dec 1922. Informant was her father Henry Thomas.
So pleased it was the correct death certificate and thanks for letting us know :)
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Well done, good to find out what happened to her. Sad to die so young.