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Title: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 24 April 08 23:03 BST (UK): Anyone fancy having a try at solving this puzzle on Anzac Day?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23595876-5016687,00.html
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 24 April 08 23:11 BST (UK): Now there's a challenge, Ruskie....... :o :D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Springbok on Thursday 24 April 08 23:43 BST (UK): Looking at the Surname list on here for Parr, there is a gentleman(biglou) from Australia researching Parr from Notts.

He has not been very active regarding postings but might be worth PM with link

Spring
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 24 April 08 23:48 BST (UK): Can we get some details going?

Name: Charles Alfred Porter Forster
Birth: according to enrolment form he was aged 19 years and 3 months in June 1917.
Given as a natural born British subject.

Here's his birth.....

Charles Alf Porter FORSTER born 1898 in CARLTON NORTH
Father = Alfred John FORSTER & Mother= Mary Jane PORTER
Ref = 1926
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 24 April 08 23:55 BST (UK): There was a sister ......

Ada Joyce FORSTER born in 1890 at CARLTON NORTH
Father = Alfred John FORSTER & Mother = Mary Jane PORTER
Ref = 21074

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Friday 25 April 08 00:14 BST (UK): Here is mother's death in 1961

FORSTER Mary Jane
Father Porter Charles
Mother Sarah UNKNOWN
Death Place MORN 92 years 1961 Reg# 4951

To help this good cause - details from her death cert

Four chn
Alice May 67years
Ada Joyce 65 years
Charles Alfred, deceased
John 55 years

Died at Bush Nursing Hospital, Mornington. Certified by A[lice] M[ay] CLARK 8 Murray Street, Elsternwick. I have posted all the details as Alice was 67 in 1961 and being 47 years ago, she would be deceased.

A little bit of the jigsaw.

Cheers
cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Friday 25 April 08 00:26 BST (UK): Ada's marriage

FORSTER Ada Joyce
LEIGH Jno
1918 Reg#2438

and correction

FORSTER Ada Joyce
LEE Jno
1918 Reg # 2438R

and I can't see any births before 1920. :(

Cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 00:33 BST (UK): That's good of you Cando.......hope we can get the ball rolling a bit more......

I can't see the marriage of the parents in Victoria, nor can I see the birth of Alice May......

I've checked under Foster.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Friday 25 April 08 00:36 BST (UK): Son John's birth and death

FORSTER John Gamble
Father Alfred John
Mother Mary Jane PORTER
Birth Place MAFFRA 1904 Reg# 4277

FORSTER John Gamble
Father Alb ??
Mother Mary Jane PORTER
Geelong 1978 Aged 74 years Reg# 26931

We need some births to these people.

cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Friday 25 April 08 00:40 BST (UK): Sorry dee should have said - married in NSW

2116/1887
FORSTER Alfred J
PORTER Mary J
District Balmain

and

Birth
4702/1888
FORSTER Alice M
Father    Alfred J
Mother Mary J
District Balmain

cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 00:41 BST (UK): Ahhhhh

John's birth is on it's way......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 00:43 BST (UK): See you had already found it, Cando.....apologies.....trying to do too many things at once with a vertigo attack! ;D ;D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 00:48 BST (UK): Problem is we are not going to get many births because of the timing of their marriages....... :-\

No births in Victoria to an Ada Forster before 1920...... :'(

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 00:52 BST (UK): Alice May's marriage.....

Alice May FORSTER born SYDNEY married Wm Jno CLARK in 1912
ref = 9111

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 00:56 BST (UK): One son......could be alive still though as born 1914......I'll try checking before I post.......

Anyone who wants to know, please PM me.....

Cando.......PM on the way.....

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 25 April 08 00:58 BST (UK): Gee you guys are great - my daughter pinched the PC for a while and when I claim it back I find all this great detective work!

I thought you may be at a loose end on Anzac day with all the shops closed ;D and knowing how much you all like the thrill of the chase .... hence my posting ..

It might be worth sending the findings to the newspaper :D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 01:08 BST (UK): We might be about to hit a big brick wall, Ruskie! ;D ;D ;D

There are very few children that we can find...... :-\

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Friday 25 April 08 01:10 BST (UK): Hope this isn't going to interupt your flow but with regard to Alfred John Parr, from the 1901.

RG13/2977/11 page 13 Loughborough Leicester

Charles Newbon 45 born Easton Northants
Elizabeth A Newbon 32 born Beeston Notts
James W Newbon 20 born Beeston Notts
Mary E Newbon 15 born Beeston Notts
Alfred, Archibald & John Parr ages 7, 3 & 3 respectively all born Loughborough Leicestershire.
Mabel Barber dau aged 5 born Loughborough. ???
Charles Newbon aged 3mths Loughborough

Free BMD has the marriage of Elizabeth A Parr to Charles Newbon Mar qtr 1900 Loughborough 7a 158

This would explain the query on Alfred's Mother's name.

Also from Free BMD Elizabeth Ann Archer married John Parr June qtr 1891 Loughborough 7a 248

John Parr died June qtr 1899 Loughborough aged 30 7a 80.

Hope this goes some way to help.

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 01:12 BST (UK): That's great Maddie........thankyou. So pleased to have more people joining in....... :D :D :D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Friday 25 April 08 01:20 BST (UK): Your welcome

Just modified my post, :) I missed out the son born to Charles & Elizabeth in 1901.

He might turn out to be important. ;)

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Friday 25 April 08 01:22 BST (UK): No dee.....don't get excited. ;D I am meant to be doing some office work....and then you threw down this challenge ;D

Now have had a quick browse of the electoral rolls. Alfred John was a carpenter/joiner. Found them at Maffra but have them 1931 living at 98 Thomas Street, Hampton, with son John as teacher and at 11 Rusden Street, Elsternwick in 1936.

FORSTER Alfd John
Father Forster John Joseph
Mother Joyce GAMBLE
Death Place BRIGHTON 74 years 1938 Reg# 2758

However all this info isn't really helping find any chn for Ada, Alice or John.

cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 01:27 BST (UK): It could all help, Cando.....who knows........

Have found the marriage of the son of Alice May Forster and William John Clark. He married in 1940. But I have no way of finding any children for the couple at this stage.

I may have found the marriage of a second son to this couple. Will have to recheck the births........after I have had a shower and got myself dressed! ;D ;D ;D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 25 April 08 01:35 BST (UK): Hello all,

I've just sent an email to the Herald Sun to be forwarded to Kelly Ryan, the writer of the article. I sent her the link to this discussion which I hope she'll follow. I also asked her to forward the link to Nick Lynch, the owner of the letter.

Not too many Forster offspring emerging :-\

Going back to re-read ....
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 25 April 08 01:53 BST (UK): Great find there Dee!

From a marriage (or two) around 1940, there might very well be children, and children who are still alive! ;D

Just had a thought ... perhaps these children may read the Herald Sun article and all your searching may be in vain. But at least it will be a happy outcome. :)

Can you imagine being contacted out of the blue with (or reading in the National news about) a family find as interesting as this letter? I live in hope ....
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 01:56 BST (UK): Ruskie, what about putting a link to this thread on the "Are You Sitting Comfortably" thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271385.555.html
and asking any of them who would like another challenge on ANZAC Day to join in on the English side in particular?

Maddie has made a great start, but with all the expertise they have had on that thread, there may be a couple willing to help.........

Many people don't read the Australian board threads.........

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 25 April 08 02:03 BST (UK): OK ;D

... done ...
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 02:10 BST (UK): I've got to take a break.....will get back to searching shortly...... :D :D

I am not convinced by the two marriages I found. The name of the first is correct except the second name is given as Foster not Forster.

The same with the second marriage.

I've searched births in Victoria for the names with these spellings, but come up with nothing.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Friday 25 April 08 02:18 BST (UK): John Gamble FORSTER is buried in Highton Cemetery, Geelong
http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcmsrc1.asp

His death cert would give the info we need.

cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Friday 25 April 08 02:20 BST (UK): Quote from: Ruskie on Friday 25 April 08 01:53 BST (UK)
Just had a thought ... perhaps these children may read the Herald Sun article and all your searching may be in vain. But at least it will be a happy outcome. :)

I agree so will wait and see.

cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Friday 25 April 08 02:53 BST (UK): Quote from: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 00:56 BST (UK)
One son......could be alive still though as born 1914......I'll try checking before I post.......

Anyone who wants to know, please PM me.....

Cando.......PM on the way.....

.....dee

Dee - the son's death

CLARK Colin Forster
Father William
Mother Alice May
at MELB 67 years 1981 Reg# 18508

and his death cert would also give good info on any descendants.

On the 1936 Electoral Roll
CLARK Alice May 64 Brickwood Street, Elsternwick Home duties
CLARK Colin Foster ditto Occ Asst Operator
CLARK William ditto Occ Carpenter

cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 03:02 BST (UK): It is making it hard not being able to put all the names we have found onto here.....

but here's a summary for now....

We have found Alfred Charles Forsters' birth in 1898 in CARLTON NORTH with parents Alfred John FORSTER (died 1938) & Mary Jane PORTER who married in Balmain in 1877.

His maternal grandfather was Charles Porter.
Maternal grandmother Sarah UNKNOWN.

Paternal grandfather John Joseph/John Alfred Forster
Paternal grandmother Joyce Gamble

His siblings are
Alice May born 1888 Balmain NSW married William John Clark in 1912 in Vic
Son Colin Forster Clark born 1914 died 1981 Melb Vic
Married in 1940 as Colin Foster Clark.

Ada Joyce born 1890 Carlton North Vic married John Leigh/Lee 1918 Vic

John Gambling born 1904 in Maffra Vic died 1978 in Geelong Vic

As Cando says, certifcates may help considerably but we best wait......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 25 April 08 03:08 BST (UK): That d/c certainly looks like it may be the key (or one of them) to finding living rellies.

Is there any was to find out the d/c information without purchasing it? Here in Qld if you're lucky enough to find a person's will then the d/c is often an included bonus. ;) This death is so recent though .... :-\

What would be the next step? Just wait?

I PM'ed biglou, as suggested by Springbok, to see if he has any connection to the Notts Parrs in this story. I hope he joins us. ;D

Dee, can you please PM me any living rellies you may have found? Thanks.

PS. Great summary thanks - makes it very easy to understand.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 03:36 BST (UK): I have checked out NSW marriages for a marriage of John Joseph Forster and Joyce Gamble, and any children born to them, but found nothing.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 03:59 BST (UK): No Forster - Gamble marriage on FreeBMD so maybe we had better look in other states......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 25 April 08 04:14 BST (UK): I looked on FreeBMD and found nothing either.

Vic may be worth trying?
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 04:18 BST (UK): Tried Victorian marriages first. :-\

OK....a couple more deaths to add to the mix......

Alice REEVES aged 72 died in 1952 at MAFFRA
Father = Jno Alfred Forster & Mother = Joyce GAMBLE
Ref = 21386

Elizabeth Floren FISHER aged 88 died in 1985 at BLAC
Father = John J Forster & Mother = Unknown GAMBLE
ref = 7230

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 04:24 BST (UK): Can't find any births to John Joseph FOrster and Joyce Gamble in Victoria.

But here's the marriage of daughter Alice.....

Alice FORSTER born NORFOLD married Andw Thos REEVES in 1901
Ref = 6676

NORFOLD? ??? ???

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 04:29 BST (UK): And the Reeves had a couple of children, only one surviving though....cousins for Charles Alfred Forster......

Joyce Elizth REEVES born 1902 in STRATFORD
Ref = 29790
died aged 3 in 1906 in STRATFORD
Ref = 11097

Sylvia REEVES born in 1905 in STRATFORD
ref = 6498

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 04:45 BST (UK): Sylvia Reeves' death.....

Sylvia SUTTON aged 71 died in 1976 in MELB
Father = Andrew Reeve & Mother = Alice FORSTER
Ref =14889

No hope of finding children for her I shouldn't think.

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 05:54 BST (UK): As her husband has also passed away in 1970, here's her marriage in Victoria.....

Sylvia REEVES married Alan Walker SUTTON in 1933 ref = 662

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Friday 25 April 08 09:57 BST (UK): Wow, you girls have done a wonderful job while I've been sleeping. ;D ;D

I shall be back when I have showered & dressed, hopefully there will be more help on the Brit side today. :)

Just to mention I had a quick look on CWG last night for Alfred Parr's 2 brothers as spoken of who had also died but I didn't see them. :-\

There are still Newbon's in the Loughborough area from the phone book, but........ :)

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 10:11 BST (UK): I had to stop for a while, Maddie....there was another thread needing my urgent attention.....I'm still working on stuff for it......

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 11:09 BST (UK): I've searched all the online BMD Indexes for the Forster/Gamble marriage in Australia, plus disks for Victoria and South Australia......nothing...... :-\

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Friday 25 April 08 23:20 BST (UK): Hi

I had another look on CWGC for the deaths of Alfred Parr's 2 brothers, Archibald William & John Victor but unless they are amongst the ones that don't have any info, they don't appear to be there. :-\

I've tried the MIC cards as well & again I can't find any reference to them.

Perhaps I shouldn't be assuming that they were K I A. :-\

I tried the NAA just in case they had also enlisted in the AIF but I only found Alfred Parr's records.

There is a marriage on Free BMD for a Charles Newbon, who could be the youngest son born to Charles & Elizabeth on the 1901, he married a Florence A Brookes Sep qtr 1924 Loughborough 7a 368. No proof though without the cert.

Is there anything else I can look for to help.?

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 23:36 BST (UK): I don't really know, Maddie. I think Cando and I are waiting to see if anyone came forward after the newpaper article yesterday, or whether Ruskie gets any response from the emails she sent off. if there is none, well I might get one of the Victorian death certificates. They can be full of information.

I'll probably have another browse through the day.......

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Friday 25 April 08 23:46 BST (UK): OK dee

Waiting to see if there is any responce from the newspaper & Ruskies mails sounds like a good idea. :)

In the meantime I'll have a browse round for any one who might be researching Parr or Newbon ancestry from Leicester or Notts.

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 25 April 08 23:53 BST (UK): Thanks again, Maddie.

We just don't want to waste money on certificates if someone has popped out of the woodwork! ;D ;D ;D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Saturday 26 April 08 02:59 BST (UK): What about the Probate Index?.

If we find something on there we could then try the newspapers.

I can't check it until tomorrow.

Just a suggestion??.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 03:07 BST (UK): Sound like a great suggestion, Sarra.
And tomorrow would be fine, I'm sure.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 03:38 BST (UK): As yet, I've had no replies from the emails I sent yesterday :-\.

Maybe everyone is away for the weekend ...

If anyone buys the Herald Sun on a daily basis, could they please keep an eye open for any kind of follow up on the article. If any family members are found, they might print a small item about it in the paper. As ANZAC day has now passed, it'll be comparitively low on the priority scale I would imagine, so won't be front page news any more.

It was lead article on news.com yesterday morning, but the headlines change regluarly through the day and followups aren't usually shown on the site.

I don't think anyone should spend any money on certificates, specially since we don't know if any family members have been found. I've tried via google to find an email address for Nick Lynch (as he might want to buy a certificate or two ;)) but there are too many on google for me to know which might be the correct one. :(

You've all done a great job. If anyone has any other bright ideas, let us know.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Saturday 26 April 08 03:43 BST (UK): sorry to butt in, what a great job you have done,
below is what I have which may allready be covered
1 John Joseph Forster b: 1841 in Chigwell, Essex, England
.. +Joyce Gamble b: 1842 in Dersingham, Norfolk, England d: 1904 in Stratford Vic Australia
........ 2 Alfred John Forster b: 1864 in Dersingham, Norfolk, England d: 1938 in Brighton Vic Australia
............ +Mary Jane Porter b: Abt. 1869 d: 1961 in Mornington Vic Australia
................... 3 Charles Alfred Porter Forster b: 1898 in Carlton Nth Vic d: 25 Apr 1918 in WW1
................... 3 Ada Joyce Forster b: 1890 in Carlton Nth Vic
....................... +John Leigh m: 1918 in Vic Australia
................... 3 John Gamble Forster b: 1904 in Maffra Vic Australia d: 1978 in Geelong Vic Australia
........ 2 Emily Forster b: 1869 in Dersingham, Norfolk, England d: 1946 in Maffra Vic Australia
............ +William Edward Jenner m: 1909 in Vic Australia
................... 3 William Edward Jenner b: 1910 in Maffra Vic Australia
........ 2 Walter Forster b: 1872 in Dersingham, Norfolk, England d: 1953 in Mallacoota Vic Australia
............ +Alexandra Isabella Mills
................... 3 Joyce Elsie Jane Forster b: 1904 in Stratford Vic Australia
................... 3 Olive Jane Forster b: 1905 in Stratford Vic Australia d: 1926 in East Melbourne Vic Australia
................... 3 Herbert Leslie William Forster b: 1908 in Oakleigh Vic Australia
................... 3 Annie Forster b: 1910 in Mordiallic Vic Australia
................... 3 Myrtle Alice Forster b: 1913 in Mordiallic Vic Australia
........ 2 William H Forster b: 1875 in Dersingham, Norfolk, England
........ 2 Alice Forster b: 1876 in Dersingham, Norfolk, England d: 1952 in Maffra Vic Australia
............ +Andrew Thomas Reeves m: 1901 in Vic Australia d: 1950 in Stratford Vic Australia
................... 3 Joyce Elizabeth Reeves b: 1902 in Stratford Vic Australia
................... 3 Sylvia Reeves b: 1905 in Stratford Vic Australia
........ 2 Arthur Forster b: 1877 in Dersingham, Norfolk, England d: 1959 in Essendon Vic Australia
............ +Katie Thompson d: 1964 in Glen? Vic Australia
................... 3 Phyliss Ivy Forster b: 1902 in Maffra Vic Australia
................... 3 Trevor Arthur Forster b: 1904 in Maffra Vic Australia
................... 3 Edward George Forster b: 1907 in Essendon Vic Australia d: 1968 in Melbourne Vic Australia
................... 3 Jack Clifford Forster b: 1912 in Essendon Vic Australia
................... 3 Reginald Joseph Forster b: 1909 in Essendon Vic Australia
........ 2 Annie Forster b: 1880 in Dersingham, Norfolk, England

Some of this fits
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 03:48 BST (UK): Hello Jan!

WELCOME TO ROOTSCHAT! Thanks for joining us.

Now you won't be able to get away with just posting that bit of a tree ;D.
We need an explanation please! Is this your family?

Please put me out of my misery!

I'm going back to re-read! Fantastic!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Saturday 26 April 08 03:54 BST (UK): Not my family, I am like everbody else, read the paper and as I was born in Maffra, just could not help myself, many hours later....
The Parr/Newbon family as well is interesting to say the least.
My mother aged 80 remembers some of the Forsters, Reeves etc families and is sure there is still family members in the Maffra area.
She has a photo of WW1 soldiers from Maffra taken in front of the memorial hall with a Mrs Forster or Foster or Mills (she can't remember) who did a lot for local soldiers and there families. She is looking for it for me.
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 04:00 BST (UK): Hello Jan!

Great to have you here....

I think the family is the one I have found arriving in Victoria on the Port Adelaide in 1887....I hadn't posted it as I was a bit thrown by the father being listed as James Joseph!

We're obviously not the only ones who cant resist a challenge...... ;D ;D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Saturday 26 April 08 04:14 BST (UK): thanks for the welcome,
On the census he is James J and it as well which confused things a bit, hope I have the right one, but it all seems to fit.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 04:15 BST (UK): Thanks for the explanation Jan and all the hard work you've done! Wonderful that your mother remembers the families too! Lets hope we can find those relatives, and most importantly, that they'll treasure the letter!

So we should probably be looking for a John Joseph Forster and Joyce Gamble marriage in Dersingham in Norfolk before 1864. As the marriage isn't on Freebmd, shall I post the question for a marriage lookup on the Norfolk board?

Jan, do you know more about the Parr/Newbons?
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 04:26 BST (UK): Freebmd

Marr Mar 1862
Docking
4b 523

James Joseph Forster
another male and one female on same page - wonder if Joyce is the missing female? Can someone please check?

Dersingham is in Docking Reg District.
It is 8 ml NE of Kings Lynn.
Parish Church is St Nicholas.
;D

(Still doesn't help in the search for living relatives ... but fun nevertheless ;) - maybe they'll be presented with a family tree as well as a letter)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Saturday 26 April 08 04:29 BST (UK): Joyce Gamble 4B 523
James Joseph Forster 4B 523
Docking
Mar Q 1863
Just checked original Images at findmypast
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 04:30 BST (UK): Great find Jan!!!!!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 26 April 08 04:31 BST (UK): Can I just say .... this is looking great !! :D

You guys are definitely on a roll .... it's fun to watch !! :D :D :D :D

Annie :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Saturday 26 April 08 04:37 BST (UK): You would think that there would have to be living rellies somewhere, Charles Alfreds brother John Gamble Forster was a highly respected teacher at Belmont High School in Geelong.
In August 2005 the school celebrated 50 years and the following occurred
"During the weekend a special tribute was made on behalf of foundation Headmaster Mr John G Forster. The
school library was dedicated in the name of Mr Forster some 30 years ago, and the Anniversary Committee felt
it appropriate, to once again recognise his contribution to the beginnings of the school on this occasion, by
unveiling new signage on the entrance to the library."
From History Belmont High School
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: liverpool annie on Saturday 26 April 08 04:39 BST (UK): 1861

143 Snetterham (?) Road Dersingham

John Gamble   55
Elizabeth Gamble   50
Joyce Gamble 19 Daughter Dersingham Norfolk
Adelaide Gamble   12

RG9/1249 Folio 92 Page 24
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 04:42 BST (UK): Here's the arrival in Melbourne.....

June 1887 on the Port Adelaide
Ref = B 482 002

FORSTER.......
James Joseph 46
Joyce 45
James 19
Emily 17
Walter 15
William 12
Alice 11
Arthur 9
Annie 7
Infant with 1

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Saturday 26 April 08 04:43 BST (UK): I will probably get shot down in flames - but are we really moving forward ie to find some living descendants :-\ OK I'm a wet blanket but we wont move until we purchase another death cert. I purchased a death cert earlier on and then we made some progress - I think I will purchase the death cert of John Gamble FORSTER who died in 1978 and I found his burial record at Highton, Geelong.

Be back in a tick.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Saturday 26 April 08 04:53 BST (UK): Deleted as the post has been duplicated. Must have pressed the post button twice :-[

cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Saturday 26 April 08 04:56 BST (UK): Right - John was married in Tasmania at the age of 46 to Dorothy Margaret QUILLAM - she is also buried at Highton [Barrabool]Cemetery.
http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm#Barrabool

At the time of John's death in 1978 there were four children all living - three boys aged 26,25 and 23 and a daughter aged 20. So as his death was only 30 years ago, we are more than likely now dealing with living persons. I am unable to post their details so whoever wants the names will have to pm me.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Saturday 26 April 08 05:01 BST (UK): Well done,
Lets hope some of them read the paper.
The Parr Newbon family I am still sorting,
Alfred John Parrs mother married twice at least we know to John Parr and Charles Newbon.
Charles Newbon had also been married before and had children.
Have found a researcher in Canada who is reseaching Charles Newbons sister Sarah so might email her and see if she can shed any light
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 05:03 BST (UK): Would be good to get to both ends of the story, wouldn't it......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 05:04 BST (UK): Surely this means that there must be living relatives ;D.

It's very nice of you to do this Cando. I'm amazed that you are able to obtain this information online. I'm in Qld and we have to supply all sorts of proof of relationship before posting off an application for the certificate for a death less than 50 years ago!

Cando, can you please PM me the names of the children?
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 05:06 BST (UK): Be good if we could contact Nick Lynch mentioned in the article.......

.......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 05:11 BST (UK): I agree Dee.

I did the google thing - quite a lot of people by that name :-\

I asked the Herald Sun reporter to give this rootschat link to Nick Lynch - who knows if that will be done :-\

The newspaper article gives no clue to his place of residence, but does mention his father's suburb if I rmember correctly. He has a brother called Mark, and we know two of his children's names .... wonder if he's in the phone book?
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 05:16 BST (UK): There's two pages with the initial N in Victoria....... ;D ;D ;D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 05:29 BST (UK): Oh dear Dee :P...

I've just been googling tried all the Forster children - nothing with full names, lots when leaving out middle names :-\

Tried Nick Lynch again ... and his children .... :'(

What next?

Is it just me - or is anyone else wondering what Nick Lynch's father was doing with this treasure in his shed? How did it come to him? Are the families related? I got the impression that this photo was given to a sweetheart of Alfred Charles to remember him by ....
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 05:31 BST (UK): I'm thinking....... :-\

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 05:43 BST (UK): Wonder if we should contact the Herald Sun to tell them what we've found.

We should ask them to contact Nick Lynch and ask him to get in touch.

I wonder if we can also ask the Herald Sun to publish the names of the sons and daughter that Cando so kindly found. Would they we allowed to publish names of probably living people?

Thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Saturday 26 April 08 05:47 BST (UK): Got to be careful with privacy these days, but details could be published about John Gamble Forster which should bring a result.
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 05:49 BST (UK): Quote from: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 05:43 BST (UK)
Wonder if we should contact the Herald Sun to tell them what we've found.

We should ask them to contact Nick Lynch and ask him to get in touch.

Either of those should be fine.

I wonder if we can also ask the Herald Sun to publish the names of the sons and daughter that Cando so kindly found. Would they we allowed to publish names of probably living people?

No....don't think you could do that....or that they could.......

Thoughts anyone?
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Saturday 26 April 08 05:50 BST (UK): I must away the cows are calling will be interested to check back later.
Very enjoyable and interesting afternoon.
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 06:02 BST (UK): You've been a great help Jan. Thanks.

Now that you've found rootschat I hope you'll be back regularly.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Saturday 26 April 08 06:02 BST (UK): Hi everyone

I'm sorry I don't have anything to add to this very interesting story.

I just rang the Melbourne Herald Sun newspaper to try and find out
if any information had been found.
No one is available to speak to until Monday morning - they don't work weekends.
I have checked the paper today and can't see that there is any follow up story,
but I'll keep an eye out tomorrow.

By the way - Great job everyone !! :)

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 06:07 BST (UK): Thanks for trying, Raylen.....at least we know not to bother trying to contact them at present then......

Of course, it could also be that Nick Lynch has already got this far.......and is having the same problem..... :-\

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 06:19 BST (UK): Hi Raylen,

Many thanks for trying from me too ;D.

I was going to see if anyone local could try phoning them. I'm not sure that emails often get to the person they're intended for - or they get lost among the hundreds of other emails people receive daily. :-\

Would you be able to try again on Monday? ;D If not, I'll give them a try.
The reporter is Kelly Ryan, so I guess it'd be best to speak with her if possible.

It IS an interesting story isn't it. I think there are many rootschatters itching to go backwards to look for the dead rather than the living ;) (and they're easier to find!)

PS Raylen, if you are able to phone don't forget to tell the paper that we have the names of 4 (probably) living descendants, but we just don't know how to contact them :-\ ... and we really need Nick Lynch's contact details :-\ ....
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 06:40 BST (UK): I checked out the Anzac blogs on the article site......just in case this story was discussed.....but I couldn't see anything....

They say patience is a virtue..... :-\

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 26 April 08 07:13 BST (UK): I have found a contact email etc. for Mark Lynch, Nick's brother.
Any use?
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 07:19 BST (UK): Yes please, Sue....perhaps let Ruskie have it......

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 26 April 08 07:39 BST (UK): OK. done.
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: WoodElf on Saturday 26 April 08 07:41 BST (UK): I just logged into Rootschat, and started to read this thread, wow :o! I am in awe, all the pieces fit. Congratulations to everyone! ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 09:45 BST (UK): Have been offline for a while - many thanks Sue - I will email him a bit later (I prefer the 'impersonalness' of this method as opposed to a phonecall).

(I'm Mum's taxi tonight ferrying kids to parties :P so will be off and on rootschat all evening).

But, isn't Mark out of the country at the moment? (see original article ;D).

Hope he's got a blackberry and can pick up his emails ... ;)

This is exciting!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 09:49 BST (UK): Quote from: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 09:45 BST (UK)
Have been offline for a while - many thanks Sue - I will email him a bit later (I prefer the 'impersonalness' of this method as opposed to a phonecall).

(I'm Mum's taxi tonight ferrying kids to parties :P so will be off and on rootschat all evening).

But, isn't Mark out of the country at the moment? (see original article ;D).

Hope he's got a blackberry and can pick up his emails ... ;)

This is exciting!

Ahhhhh of course he is. Drats. Still....it's worth trying an email.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 09:59 BST (UK): Yes, I will do that - got to go out now ...
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 11:34 BST (UK): ???

email sent...
but returned -
no such user

:'(

Something wrong with website so can't contact him that way - will try again later :-\
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 11:45 BST (UK): Ahhhhh Ruskie.......we'll just have to be patient........

Monday seems so far away....... :-\

;D ;D ;D

I've been googling all sorts of combinations on the off chance that something will turn up.......

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 11:56 BST (UK): Panic over!

Sue had missed a bit off the email address she sent me - have resent it and it seems to have gone ok.

Will just have to wait now .... I imagine it'll be a while till Mark arrives home. I hope a family member is checking his emails :).

I wonder if Raylen will be able to phone the paper again on Monday. These things always happen on a weekend - it's hard to have to wait.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 26 April 08 12:00 BST (UK): Well done, Ruskie! :D

I'm sure Raylen will give it her best go on Monday......what response she gets remains to be seen........

.......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 26 April 08 12:04 BST (UK): Hi,
sorry everyone for misprinting the email add..

it was a really dud website and couldn't paste or transfer neatly.

hope we are off and running now.
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 12:48 BST (UK): No problems at all Sue - it's all sorted ;)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Saturday 26 April 08 13:48 BST (UK): If patience is a virtue, it's a virtue I'm a liitle short of ;D

I'm sorry but I can't wait until Monday, so I'm going to try and call in a favour.
I've got a friend of a friend who works for the Herald Sun
so I'll give him a call tomorrow and see if I can get any
inside information or a contact.
If I can't get anywhere with that, I'll cetainly give the paper a call on Monday
and let you all know what they say.

Be good to get a happy ending out of all the work you have done on this.

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 26 April 08 14:04 BST (UK): That's wonderful, thank you Raylen. I can't wait ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Saturday 26 April 08 21:36 BST (UK): I am really amazed at how much effort you are all putting in to this & doing so well. ;D

I don't know if this is worth following up but I came across Leicester FHS

http://lrfhs.org.uk/

There are Members Interest surnames for Parr in Leicestershire but what really caught my eye was the link down the left hand side for "Lest We Forget".

I wonder if the chap who is compiling the list of all the Leicestershire born men who died in WW1 would be interested in Alfred Parr & this story of the letter. He might be interested enough to do some local research on finding family members. :)

If you think an e-mail would be a good idea could I ask if one of you girls would mind sending it as I'm off to Spain for 3 weeks on Tuesday & wont be able to access the internet as much as I can at home. ;)

Fingers crossed for a successful outcome. ;D

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Sunday 27 April 08 13:48 BST (UK): Ok...here I am reporting the latest news.

Have spoken with my contact and he knows/works with Kelly Ryan the reporter :D :D
I will send him an email at work and he will make sure she gets it.

I'll send the email mentioning that 4 possible living relatives have been found
and give the Rootschat link to this topic. Perhaps I'll find out if she will pass on the
information to Nick Lynch or how we can be sure that he is made aware of
what has been found here.
I guess in the end we'd all like to find out what happens, so I'll ask them if they could let
us know.

Maye if they find the realtives because of what has been found by all you clever people, they
might do a story about the 'Super Sleuths' of Rootschat ;D

I'll let you know as soon as I hear anything.

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Sunday 27 April 08 23:23 BST (UK): They read the paper!
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23608557-2862,00.html
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Monday 28 April 08 02:03 BST (UK): Well,
You fantastic searchers! Amazing work.

We do still have one resort if we are not successful with these brilliant strtegies...............

Mark Lynch's mobile phone number and those of other runners on the Anzac Run.

I pm 'ed the link with them to Ruskie the other day. We may have to just 'go for it'

however, i do think Raylen's approach is preferable.
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Monday 28 April 08 02:27 BST (UK): Hi Sue,

According to the report in todays paper,
the nieces and nephews of Charles Alfred Porter Forster
have been found and are now aware of the letter.

All the details are in Jan's link http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23608557-2862,00.html

I don't know if there is anymore we can help with, even though I did mention to the reporter
that we had a fairly healthy family tree for them if they were interested :)

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Monday 28 April 08 03:01 BST (UK): Hello everyone.

I have just heard on the radio that Nick Lynch has thanked everyone for finding
Charles Forsters family
BUT
he still needs help in finding the family of Sgt Alfred J. Parr

I don't know whether anyone wants to give it a try but these are the details found so far.

From the newspaper article
Troop Sgt Parr was born in Beeston, Nottingham, England.
He came to Victoria, worked as a farmer, and signed up in Hamilton in February, 1915.
The search for his family has been complicated by the different surname of his mother, Elizabeth Newbon.
Not long after writing to the Forster family, Sgt Parr was also killed.
He was awarded a Distinguished Conduct Medal, second only to the Victoria Cross, for his
courage under fire on April 25, 1918 - the date of Forster's death.

From the 1901. (Thanks to Maddie)
RG13/2977/11 page 13 Loughborough Leicester

Charles Newbon 45 born Easton Northants
Elizabeth A Newbon 32 born Beeston Notts
James W Newbon 20 born Beeston Notts
Mary E Newbon 15 born Beeston Notts
Alfred, Archibald & John Parr ages 7, 3 & 3 respectively all born Loughborough Leicestershire.
Mabel Barber dau aged 5 born Loughborough.
Charles Newbon aged 3mths Loughborough

Free BMD has the marriage of Elizabeth A Parr to Charles Newbon Mar qtr 1900 Loughborough 7a 158

This would explain the query on Alfred's Mother's name.

Also from Free BMD Elizabeth Ann Archer married John Parr June qtr 1891 Loughborough 7a 248

John Parr died June qtr 1899 Loughborough aged 30 7a 80.

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 28 April 08 04:07 BST (UK): My PC has been playing up and I only just managed to get online to all this great news!

Thanks for your wonderful help Raylen. What a handy person you are with your newspaper links ;).

Jan's link isn't working for me at the moment - frustrating >:( - I'll try again later.

It is probably equally important to find Sgt Parr's descendants too. What will happen if we DO find them? Who will get the letter?

I hope the Forsters are interested in the family that have been found for them. Yes, please let us know of any developments Raylen. ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Monday 28 April 08 04:26 BST (UK): Thanks for the alert Raylen.
I totally missed ausjan's posting. Good news.
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 28 April 08 04:51 BST (UK): Thanks for the Parr summary Raylen.

It looks very unlikely that Sgt Parr was married before signing up - if I've done my sums correctly he would've been about 21?

I wonder if he came to Australia alone or with family? Has anyone looked yet?

Would his mother (if still alive) have been given his Distinguished Conduct Medal? Or would it be given to his nominated next of kin, who may be someone else?

Someone must have done enough research on his family to know about this medal and hise mother's name. I wonder if Nick Lynch may have more information he can share with us? I really hope he joins this discussion ....
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Monday 28 April 08 06:06 BST (UK): Alfred Parrs mother was sent his memorial plague in Dec 1922, friends of his in Vic were trying to organise to get his personal effects back to England in 1922, this was a trunk etc. The Army had sent some things back in 1919 and his mother signed for them. She was living at 72 Penfold Gate Loughbourough Leicestershire England, I have emailed a Newbon reseacher in England to see if he can shed any light on Charles Newbon his stepfather, who he named as his father in his will dated 1918.
Source: National Archives Australia
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 28 April 08 06:12 BST (UK): Thanks Jan - well it certainly looks like he came to Australia alone with all his belongings being returned to England.

So Alfred made a will and named his step father as his father? (do you mean Alfred's will was dated 1918 rather than 1818?)

I hope you manage to get a positive response from your Newbon researcher - fingers crossed ;D.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 28 April 08 08:47 BST (UK): Been out all day........just come home and read the good news that some of Charles Forster's family have come forward. :D :D :D

It would be good if Nick Lynch would join in here, wouldn't it?

Quote from: Ruskie on Monday 28 April 08 04:07 BST (UK)

It is probably equally important to find Sgt Parr's descendants too. What will happen if we DO find them? Who will get the letter?

I hope the Forsters are interested in the family that have been found for them. Yes, please let us know of any developments Raylen. ;D

Ruskie, in the original newspaper article it said that Nick Lynch wanted to return the original letter to the Fosrter family, and send a copy to the family of Alfred Parr.

We could do with the expertise of some of those on the English board to help out with the search down the lines of the Parr/Newbon family. :-\

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Monday 28 April 08 08:50 BST (UK): A bit more info on Alfred Parr

He was single when he enlisted.
His two brothers, Archibald and John Parr were twins

Births registered Sept Q 1897 Loughborough,Leicestershire,Nottingham
Ref 7a 143

Can anyone find Alfred or any of his family coming to Australia?

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 28 April 08 09:05 BST (UK): Have found an A Parr born 1895 arriving in 1914 in Melbourne. Sounds likely, doesn't it?

I could have a look at the transcript if you think it might be useful.....

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 28 April 08 09:51 BST (UK): Have checked the NAA entry for Alfred Parr again..... his age on enrolment in March 1915 was given as 21, and his birthplace Nottingham.

There's the birth of an Alfred Cecil Parr in Nottingham Jun Qtr 1895 7b/405.

That matches with the FindMyPast entry I found, so I'll see if I can learn anything more from the transcript.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 28 April 08 10:03 BST (UK): If that was him....and it seems likely as there were no other A or Alfred Parrs born around that time and arriving in Melbourne around that time......he departed London on the "Port Lincoln" on 20 January 1914 for Melbourne. He was aged 19 and occupation was Factory boy.

An Arthur Parr aged 29 born 1885 also came to Melbourne from London in 1914. He sailed on the Themistocles on the 2nd April 1914. He was a law stationer.

Don't know that this is of any help but that's what I found.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 28 April 08 10:53 BST (UK): Great finds Dee - look very promising don't they?
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 28 April 08 10:57 BST (UK): I've been trying to connect Arthur....but can't find anything to do so. :-\

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Monday 28 April 08 11:13 BST (UK): Hi everyone,

Seeing that Alfred didn't marry should we be looking to find
more about his twin brothers?

Maybe a possible marriage

John V Parr m Elsie Harrison 1927 Liverpool,Lancashire

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 28 April 08 11:21 BST (UK): There's the death of a John Victor Parr in Yorkshire in 1884....but he was born 1905 ..... :-\

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Monday 28 April 08 11:59 BST (UK): This could be Alfred's birth, no middle name John but every thing else fits.

Alfred Parr Mar qtr 1894 Basford Notts 7b 220.

Basford covers the Beeston area.

Alfred said in his letter that his mother had already given 2 sons, at least, I think that's what it meant. Would they not have been his 2 brothers. :-\

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 28 April 08 11:59 BST (UK): Hello there

I have watched this thread with great interest. I didn't join in cause I felt there were so many good researchers looking that any more folk might just be doubling up. What a wonderfull job you all did, tenacious to the end. A bit of ANZAC spirit seemed to me to be right behind you all.

I hope that some family might be found for Alfred Parr, now that would be lovely

kind regards JEnn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Monday 28 April 08 13:14 BST (UK): This is quite a confusing family.
Elizabeth Archer M John Parr 1891 in Loughborough
Three known son's Alfred John , 1894
Archibald William & John Victor 1898 Loughborough
Then Elizabeth married Charles Newbon circa 1900 and they had a son Charles.
AND this was Charles 3rd marriage, he m Sarah Jane Britton (she was born Stape Hill Glousester) in Keysham Gloucester in 1877, and had 3 known children James W Newbon 1881 Easton Northampshire, Arthur 1883 Loughborough and Mary Ellen 1885 Loughborough :1891 English Census
In 1881 Charles and the first Sarah were living in Easton Northampshire with James W and were listed in the census as NEWTON.
Sarah Jane died Loughborough 1897 and he then married Sarah Jane Barber in 1899 and she died in 1899 Loughborough.
Just to confuse things a bit more Sarah Jane Barber had a daughter Mable Barber born 1896 Leicestershire.
So one has too wonder if one or both the son's Elizabeth "gave" to the war were her natural born son's or perhaps her stepsons. ???
phew
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 28 April 08 13:23 BST (UK): I've seen a few of them on Genes Re United......

I also wondered whether maybe the best way to get anywhere would be like Nick did in Australia....went through the newspaper. I wonder if a Loughborough newspaper might be interested......especially as the relatives have been found here....... :-\

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Monday 28 April 08 13:26 BST (UK): Great summary Jan :)

I had bits of paper with notes scattered everywhere and
was trying to figure how to best put it on here in the easiest way to understand :-\

Is it possible to find out names of the sons who went to war on
any sites in England? I've never had to look into that side of things
so have no idea where to start.

Raylen

Ps. Just to let everone know that I have not received a reply from the reporter
to my email yet >:(
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Monday 28 April 08 13:30 BST (UK): I think you might be spot on Dee, there is still Newbons in Leicestershire and perhaps a bit of publicity might find the right ones'.
This might be a hand pass to the UK people here. ;)
Raylen, I have searched all the sites I know and find can nothing conclusive.
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 28 April 08 13:33 BST (UK): Maddie might be on later.....maybe she'll have some ideas in that regard.....

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 28 April 08 13:40 BST (UK): That's a really helpful summary Jan. Thank you.

I wondered who Mable Barber was in the 1901 census.

Great finds! ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Monday 28 April 08 13:51 BST (UK): Hi all I'm here now,

I can't find any mention of the step sons or sons of Elizabeth Parr/Newbon on the CWGC site apart from Alfred so who the 2 where "already given" is a complete mystery. ???

I don't think there is any way of finding out who went to war in the family unless they are lucky enough to have a MIC card. I did look for the Parr brothers but there was only Alfred, I shall look again for any Newbon's.

Regarding newspapers, there is the http://www.mediauk.com/newspapers/13806/loughborough-echo & I think a Leicester Mercury.

I'll try e-mailling & also the chap who is compiling the list of WW1 losses for Leicestershire with a link to this thread & hope they respond, as I said before from tomorrow I shall not be here but in Spain. 8)

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 28 April 08 22:03 BST (UK): A question here folks, if the family had lost another two sons in the war, would their names not be on their local town/city war memorial. I don't know if they did that in England but just about any town in Australia has a war memorila of some kind with the names of the flallen engraved forever.

kind regards JEnn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Monday 28 April 08 22:23 BST (UK): Hi JEnn

Yes indeed, most towns & villages do have a war memorial in UK. I'm hoping my e-mail to the chap who is compiling the list of soldiers who died from Leicestershire might throw some light on this mystery.

I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to put a post on the Leicestershire board. I'm quite surprised no one else has picked up on this thread from UK.

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 29 April 08 00:19 BST (UK): I'll put a question onto the Leicestershire board now .....

... Maddie beat me to it ;). Lets hope someone can assist.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 00:25 BST (UK): Hi Dee

Quote
We could do with the expertise of some of those on the English board to help out with the search down the lines of the Parr/Newbon family.

Do you mean with censuses or parish records? .

Another late night. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 29 April 08 00:33 BST (UK): Hi Sandy,

I can see you are up late. I'm trying to do boring chores..... ;D

I'm not really sure how folks could help. I just thought some folks from England might have more ideas on how we could trace this family forwards.....so much harder to do than going backwards.

We were so fortunate with tracing the Australian family, because they were in Victoria, and Victoria BDM give lots of details. Also Cando helped out by very generously obtaining a couple of Victorian death certificates, which contain lots of details of family members......

....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 00:38 BST (UK): How about trying a radio station I would think they would jump at the chance of
tracing living relatives and all the story it en-tails.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 00:40 BST (UK): Or maybe a T.V. station or even a notice in the local paper asking for information to the families.

Sorry if any have already been suggested.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 29 April 08 00:45 BST (UK): That's OK, Sandy......we have just been starting to discuss the newspaper idea. It worked here, and one of the nephews and a niece that we had managed to find came forward.......so I think that is probably the way to go.....

I think Maddy was sending off an email to a newspaper in Loughborough......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Tuesday 29 April 08 00:49 BST (UK): Good morning :)

Quote from: Raylen on Monday 28 April 08 03:01 BST (UK)
I have just heard on the radio that Nick Lynch has thanked everyone for finding
Charles Forsters family
BUT
he still needs help in finding the family of Sgt Alfred J. Parr

Raylen

I have just sent an email to the radio station asking them for Nick
to make contact with me or to come and visit us all here.
Maybe something will come from this.....................hopefully

Raylen

Just another thought. Would the military board on here be any help?
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 29 April 08 00:52 BST (UK): Thanks Raylen.......fingers crossed.....

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 01:25 BST (UK): Hi Rosemary

Just sent a P.M. that may help re: the families in England.

Sand
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 29 April 08 01:47 BST (UK): Thanks Sandy....PM received.

The list you sent me could prove very useful.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 29 April 08 01:55 BST (UK): Dee
http://infolinx.leics.gov.uk/infolinx/infolinx.infolinx_out.getres?id=11778&template=details

here is a link to a War Memorial in LOUGHBOROUGH it was built to honour the dead perhaps it will list the names of the men who died in WW1 from the area

there is an email addy for a contact ,

regards JEnn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 29 April 08 02:18 BST (UK): Ahhhh...that's a much better link than any I found, Jenn! :D :D

.....dee
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Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 29 April 08 02:25 BST (UK): It just might help, hope you will get an answer

regards Jenn
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Post by: glenclare on Tuesday 29 April 08 02:37 BST (UK): dee
I have sent a PM. Hope it helps,

Glen
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 20:44 BST (UK): Hi All

Hubby and I were bored with decorating and decided to travel to
Loughborough to see if we could glean anything about the Parr's and Newbon.

I phoned all noted in the Telephone directory, no link to either name still in town.

Took some piccies of the Carillon (a Parr and 2 Newbon's noted on the memorials stones).

Hubby went up to the 2nd floor I stayed on the 1st Floor .

The way up was like going up one of the towers at Warwick Castle, small narrow
steps that never seemed to end.

Met one of the volunteers who had served in the Wars, told us some great stories.

At one point he said he and his regiment were called "the Dunkirk dodgers".

Visited the Library, no copies of The National Roll of the Great War.

No information what so ever it seemed for the men who served in the Town
(except on the CWGC site which we can all obtain in England).

Did manage to find some more information than on the CWGC for some of the
men in Loughborough Cemetery though.

Went to the Parish Church was totally dismayed to see that gravestones had
been laid as paths surrounding the church, yet others had been made into
small areas back to back.

Although everyone's seemed to be made of slate they will deteriorate and it really sadden me.

I hope that some one has taken the inscriptions.

Then found a building called "The Old Rectory" where there were about 20
graves upright by the wall. I took those at least.

I did not feel that we had achieved much but overall except for the journey
there and back gave us a much needed break from chores. :)

Sandy
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Post by: diddymiller on Tuesday 29 April 08 20:57 BST (UK): Just caught this story from link on Leics site (i've been away as my daughter is in hospital). I live in Loughborough and actually i have a friend who is a Parr!!!

If you need me to check in the local history library or anything let me know. The local Loughborough Echo comes out on friday each week.

As i've scanned through it would be easier if you told me what needs looking for.

Diddy
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 21:30 BST (UK): Hi Diddy

I only tried the Parrs and Newbons in Loughborough who said that they were not related.

I was told that there was one that lived at East Shilton.

Left a message on phone saying I would get back to them as no answer.

Have already tried all the resources in the Local Studies area today except newspapers.

Hope you can help.

Sandy
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 21:49 BST (UK): Here are a few piccies of the visit.

The Carillon.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 21:53 BST (UK): The 2 family names.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 21:56 BST (UK): One of the views hubby took from the Carillon.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 21:58 BST (UK): Some of the bells.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 22:04 BST (UK): Church of All Saints
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 22:08 BST (UK): The gravestones around the Church.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 22:10 BST (UK): Another view of stones laid in walking areas.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 22:11 BST (UK): Gravestones lined up 2 by 2.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 22:14 BST (UK): The Old Rectory ruins.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 22:15 BST (UK): The walls were enormously thick.
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 22:22 BST (UK): The remaining gravestones at the Old Rectory.

I hope it has given you "down under" a view of Loughborough as of today where
the 2 families would have lived.

29th April 2008.

Sandy
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Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 29 April 08 22:40 BST (UK): Wow, Sandy.......thank you so much for all that effort and for trying to help with the puzzle. I'm sure all of us, including Nick Lynch if he ever reads this thread, will appreciate your effort, even though it did not make the breakthrough that you were hoping for.

The Carillon is a beautiful memorial, but it is very sad about the gravestones. Like you, I do hope someone has recorded the inscriptions.

I'm glad you enjoyed the day out.

I'm going back to read and look again.....having only just got up, it hasn't all sunk in properly. :D :D

......dee
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 29 April 08 22:49 BST (UK): Hi Dee

You are just waking and I am off for a early night. :)

Forgot a piccie showing the stairway in the Carillon.

Did my off balance a lot of good.

Nite.

Sandy
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Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 29 April 08 23:07 BST (UK): I wouldn't have liked those stairs at all, Sandy!
I've had a good look at the names on the memorial photograph, and can see just the one Newbon....and A. Newbon.

A CWGC search only brings up one record for an A Newbon, and he was A. H. Newbon in the Northumberland Fusiliers. He did die before "our" Alfred John Parr. :-\ Date of death is given as 8th April , 1918. Alfred John Parr died 1st October 1918.

Get a good night's sleep.....you've well and truly earnt it! :D

.....dee
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Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 29 April 08 23:38 BST (UK): Oh Well Done Sandy,

Wonderfull photos and so sad to see the gravestones like that. I wonder why "they" did that, move them that is.

What a marvelous War Memorial, so much work and time .

So the search for living relatives still goes on. After 80 years and Sgt Parr not having any children...that we know off......and his brothers being killed perhaps the line has slowly died out.

Still you might find a relative yet.

kind regards Jenn

p.s.
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I hope it has given you "down under" a view of Loughborough as of today where
the 2 families would have lived
. A lovely peacefull photo, we do not have anthying like that in the tropics of Queensland 8).
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Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 29 April 08 23:47 BST (UK): diddymiller asked what could be done to help.

I wonder if a check of the newpapers at the Loughborough Local History Centre around the dates of 1st October 1918 and the 8th April 1918 would bring anything to light.......

......dee ....grasping at straws.......
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Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 30 April 08 00:58 BST (UK): Sandy,

Gee you've been busy! What a great effort you and your husband have gone to to help, even though you did not have the outcome you'd hoped for :-\.

That was above and beyond the call of duty. And the photos are terrific and it's wonderful to see the place these families lived.

So sad to see the headstones moved. Are they trying to free up land for more burials, were they unsafe and it was one of those ridiculous health and safety issues, or are they going to sell off the land for housing? The first reason is the only one which is slightly acceptable. I don't know why, but I find the ones which have been paired up a bit disturbing in some inexplicable way. Of course the stones made into a path will not last - there may have been objections to just dumping them, so this is some kind of pathetic compromise - when they have crumbled, they can then be dumped.guilt free and free of objections, as they serve no purpose at all.

I just love seeing headstones in the English churchyards, no matter if they are crumbling or falling - they look lovely and they are meant to be there. So sad that it has come to this - a situation which is similar all over the UK.

I wonder if the Parrs and Newbons that you spoke to may not even know whether or not they are related to our families? The surnames aren't very common are they? Many people do not even know their grandparent's names, let alone their Great Great Uncle who died in WW1. My daughter was once asked if she was related to a person with the same (rare) surname - she said no. She was wrong - the person was my Uncle - she just hadn't known him.
Diddymiller, thank you for your kind offer of help. Dee's suggestion of looking at newpaper archives is a good one. Or perhaps an ad (if they are free) in the local paper. Even if the families moved away from the area and there are no descendants living there, perhaps someone local may remember them.

Apart from tracing Elizabeth's sons forward, I'm a bit at a loss as to how to progress ....
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Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 30 April 08 01:04 BST (UK): Just had a couple more thoughts -

We could really do with Nick Lynch's help. I think it may help if we could read the entire letter - there may be other clues.

The phrase "had given two" is taken out of context for this article and we really need to read the entire letter.

His mother had "had given two" .... two what? It doesn't say two sons. Could it be two brothers/uncles/a father and a cousin or any other combination of family members?
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Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 01:19 BST (UK): Great work, the A Parr listed on the memorial is Alfred I think, it has DCM after his name, and the A H Newbon could be Arthur his step brother born 1883.
I still have not heard back from my emails to Newbon researchers, patience is a virture they say.
I think Alfred Newbons step sister Mary Ellen married a Cooper in 1904 and then died in 1908 so that may be another dead end.
We are left with a James W Newbon born 1881 and Charles Newbon born 1900 as possible having descendants, unless there was more children born to Charles and Elizabeth after 1901. or if A H Newbon is Arthur he may have married and had children before he was killed and Alfreds brothers Archibald and John Parr
Jan
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 01:34 BST (UK): I agree, Ruskie.....it may well help us if we were able to "talk" to Nick Lynch.

I am certainly running out of ideas for ways forward, and am just hoping that Jan hears back from the researchers. :-\

Jan.....are the researchers ones you found on Ancestry or Genes Re-united? Just asking, because I noticed some on there, but didn't want to double up on what you had already done.

And Sandy is a star! Think she and Cando both deserve a medal for going way beyond expectations in helping with this search! :D :D :D

......dee
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Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 02:02 BST (UK): Dee I have emailed a lady from Canada who is researching Charles Newbons sister Sarah born 1844 and a Stephen Willis who has done a lot of work on the Newbon Family, an interesting site
http://newbonfamilyhistory.com/index.html
Jan
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 02:15 BST (UK): OK......thanks Jan.

There's a Jean and a Claire both researching quite a few Newbon names, including "our" family, on GR. I have to go out now, but later today it could be worth my PMing them. Neither of them have the name Newbon as their surname, and neither may know much.....but nothing ventured, nothing gained. Jean also has Archibald and John Parr on her list of names.

....dee
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Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 02:49 BST (UK): Hi Dee think you might have hit the jackpot, will get on to them ASAP.
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Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 03:06 BST (UK): I explored GR site some more, and found that one of these researchers had Alfred Parr's mother in her names so we are on the right track. I have emailed her and two others that are also on the same family,
Hopefully we are now getting close.
Jan
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 08:00 BST (UK): Thanks Jan......saved me having to do it. I appreciate that, as things are a bit hectic at present......

Hopefully you'll hear back from at least a couple of them.

.......dee
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Post by: seahall on Wednesday 30 April 08 08:31 BST (UK): Morning Dee and all.

You know we are all stars here. :)

My index of the war dead is from Roll of Honours and I also have Roll of Service so
there maybe mention of the families in their newspapers. (Example).

Brillant news about the links you are finding between yourselves and others.

The people I spoke to did not originally come from Loughborough yet were very
pleasant when I told them of your quest and wished they could help more.

Going out for the day with my friend (she is working he. he.) to find some more
servicemen's graves if the rain keeps off.

Keep up all the good work rootchatters do here on the forums. :)

Sandy
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Post by: diddymiller on Wednesday 30 April 08 08:51 BST (UK): ok, glad to help.
First i'm not sure why the gravestones in All Saints were moved but i do know it was done very sensitively with descendants knowledge where possible and there is not the slightist chance of land being sold. i do believe some of the very early ones were in a dangerous state.
The Carillion War memorial is beautiful - my band plays in the bandstand (in picture) on the 11th November when loughborough has a large beautifully moving parade and memorial service in the park with local dignitories and servicemen. At the 11th hour they drop poppies down from the top of the tower in complete silence. it makes the hairs on the back of your head stand up!!

I would be happy to check the newspapers. Actually I worked at the library for a time while a trained to be a librarian.. Am I looking for the story of Alfreds death?

The local paper (Echo) runs a 'Looking back' section each week to which I have contributed before. it may be possible to get them to run this story. I will do my best - i know who to ring.

Diddy
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 09:03 BST (UK): G'day Sandy, Diddy and all. :D

That would be really helpful, Diddy, if you can look for a newspaper story of Alfred Parr's death or possible an Arthur Newbon's death at the later date. But if you can get the newspaper interested, it would be positively brilliant! :D :D :D

I can just imagine how moving it must be to see all the poppies tumbling down from the top of the carillon.

.....dee
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Post by: diddymiller on Wednesday 30 April 08 09:20 BST (UK): Hi, I have just sent off an email to the editor of the Echo. I hope I have wetted his appitite!!
Diddy
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Post by: diddymiller on Wednesday 30 April 08 09:30 BST (UK): found this by googling - you may have already seen it:

Roll of Honour
Alfred John Parr DCM
Rank 2nd Lieutenant [2 Lt]
Unit 59th Bn Australian Inf
Service Army
Conflict 1914-1918
Date of Death 1 October 1918
Cause of Death Died of wounds
Cemetery or Memorial Details FRANCE 234 Prospect Hill Cemetery Gouy
Place Of Enlistment Lelang, VIC
War Grave Register Notes PARR, 2nd Lt. Alfred John, D.C.M. 59th Bn. Australian Inf. Died of wounds 1st Oct., 1918. Age 24. Son of Mrs. Elizabeth A. Newbon, of 72, Pinfold Gate, Loughborough, England. IV. A. 16.
Source AWM145 Roll of Honour cards, 1914-1918 War, Army

Diddy
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 09:49 BST (UK): Yes Diddy ....and his actual service records are on line, at our Australian National Archives.....
http://www.naa.gov.au/

Link to Recordsearch, choose to search as a guest, and enter Parr Alfred into the search engine, and search as a phrase.....

Display the 7 records, you'll find him with Elizabeth NEWTON as his mother, and there is a digital 62 page record free to view....... :D :D :D

......dee
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Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 30 April 08 10:31 BST (UK): I don't think I am doubling up with this site, same information but on a different site, a very good project
http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=234131
regards Jenn
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Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 11:53 BST (UK): Have just recieved a reply from a grandson of Elizabeth (Archer,Parr, Newbon] his mother is Alfreds half sister and was born 1910. He has Alfred John's memorial scroll etc will email him further with all the details. Well done everyone
Jan
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Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 30 April 08 11:57 BST (UK): CONGRATULATIONS Jan! That is wonderful news!

Now as Nick Lynch hasn't come out to play ;) how do we contact him with this great news?
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:07 BST (UK): Brilliant Jan! What a team effort we have here.....

Well, Raylen doesn't seem to have had any response from the reporter.......

And did they pass on the info to Nick Lynch as requested? ???

.....dee
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Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:11 BST (UK): Not sure how we put these people in touch with each other, I have emailed Derrick all the details etc, I have his email address and have asked his permission to pass that and any other contact details he wants to give on to Nick Lynch.
Jan
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:14 BST (UK): We'll keep working on it, Jan.
I'm sure a phone call to the newspaper with the news that we have found a living relative will have some success.

But I think we should insist that Nick Lynch be told of our involvement and given the website so he can see how Rootschatters have worked and spent time (and money) on trying to help him solve the puzzle.

.....dee
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Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:18 BST (UK): Well done Jan.......an excellent result
All you folk need a good pat on the back and a drink or two.

One does hope that Nick Lynch see the website and will appreciate all the effort and Cando's hard earned money (and in her case it is hard earned).

All the lovely folk in Oz and the UK showing how it is done ;D

kind regards Jenn
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:21 BST (UK): And Sandy driving over from Northamptonshire to Louthborough to do all that investigating too! :D :D :D

But unless we can get the info to Nick Lynch..... :-\

.....dee
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:24 BST (UK): I just found a contact number for the Herald Sun.
Do you think there would be anyone answering the phone at night?

I can ring very cheaply on Skype..... ;)

......dee
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Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:26 BST (UK): What great news!

Sadly I have had no reply from either the reporter,
the radio station or Nick Lynch >:(

Do you want me to ring the newspaper tomorrow and try and speak with
the reporter herself?

I feel so bad that I got no response from anyone to be able to
help you all.

Let me know if there is some way I can help out here in Melbourne.

Raylen
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Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:29 BST (UK): Dee found the GR info so she deserves a round of appluase, I just followed up with the emails, Cando got us on the right track with the Forster family. It has been a very enjoyable time doing this and to Sandy as well, what an effort.
Just wish I could have this sort of success breaking through my brick walls :)
I think a phone call (or two) might be the way to go as we have had no response to emails..
Jan
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Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:30 BST (UK): Bingo dee :D

I doubt you would catch the reporters
there at night, but you might have more luck than I did :(

Raylen
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:34 BST (UK): I'll give it a go....and if there is anyone there, I'll ask them to tell the reporter that a relative has been found and ask the reporter to ring me in the morning!

How does that sound?

.....dee
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Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:35 BST (UK): Sounds like plan Dee.....go for it girl

Jenn ;D
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Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:36 BST (UK): I remembered the neice of Charles Forster was named Anne *.
I just googled and there is a phone number for her :)
Do you think she might have a contact for Nick Lynch?

Raylen
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:38 BST (UK): Yes!

Go for it!

Herald Sun not open till 7.30 a.m.

.....dee
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Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:40 BST (UK): This looks like it could be her

* personal details removed

Raylen
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:42 BST (UK): Is it just a local call for you? If not....I can do it on Skype......

.....dee
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Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 30 April 08 12:49 BST (UK): sorry dee..not a local call for me

Raylen
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 13:05 BST (UK): Spoke to Anne ...she's excited....going to try to see the thread.....

Gave me Nick Lynch's mobile number....only voice mail! :'( :'(

I left a message......

And I am going to send a text message.....

....dee ...who is never going to sleep tonight...... :o :o
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Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 30 April 08 13:09 BST (UK): Dee...............YOU ARE A CHAMPION! ;D
How exciting.

To every one who has contributed to this thread,
WELL DONE.
You have all been just fantastic.

Raylen
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Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 13:12 BST (UK): Go Dee,
hope Ann has plenty of time just realised how big this thread is ;D
and hubby is also pleased has just asked if this means he can use the computer again.
Jan
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 13:14 BST (UK): ;D ;D ;D

I'm hoping Anne will join and post. She was excited to hear that we had done quite a bit of family history for her! ;D ;D ;D

.....dee
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Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 30 April 08 13:24 BST (UK): Good on you Dee - well done! This is SO exciting!

I'm sure we would all love to see the photo and read the whole letter - I hope Nick or Anne are clever enough to post images of them for us!

Thank you to everyone for your amazing contribution to this thread!

PS. Ausjan, you should post your brick walls on the appropriate boards ;) - and your poor husband must be very patient.
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Post by: Raylen on Wednesday 30 April 08 13:31 BST (UK): Thanks for posting the challenge Ruskie and you have made the 200th reply!

Wow - who would have thought it would get so big
and that so many people would pop in to have a look ( last count 1837 views, 14 pages, 200 replies)

Pat on the back to everyone

Raylen
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 13:37 BST (UK): Well....we didn't get to Part #3.
;D ;D ;D

But it shows what you can do if you all work together and keep chipping away......

Poor Anne. It will be like reading a disjointed book ....and she has to try to make sense of it all....... :-\

.....dee
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Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 13:57 BST (UK): Will catch up in the morning, hopefully with a further reply from Derrick,
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 14:01 BST (UK): G'dnight Jan. Sleep well.....

I am trying to unwind a bit before I head off too. Hopefully tomorrow I will get a response to my voice mail message or the text message I sent.

.....dee
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 14:47 BST (UK): More excitement......have just spoken to Nick Lynch for half an hour! He's thrilled and amazed!

He is going to join us, but it may not be until Friday, as he is interstate in NSW at the moment and does not have good internet reception.

And when he can he is going to email me copies of the letters and photographs. :D :D :D

And now I am supposed to sleep..... ::) ;D ;D

.....dee

P.S. The reporter Kelly Ryan has been on holidays, so that could well be why nothing happened as a result of the approaches made to the Herald Sun. Nick thinks she is back tomorrow.
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Post by: seahall on Wednesday 30 April 08 15:47 BST (UK): Hi All

Well what can I add to the excitement that is apparent from all the happenings since I went out today.

I arrived home after taking endless photographs in the pouring rain of
Northamptonshire Churchyards 2 and a bit as I finally gave up when the
heavens opened. ;D

How wonderful to have made contact with a rellie and to have talked to Nick Lynch.

Let's see how it's progress goes in leaps and bounds now.

A soaking Sandy with drenched feet, slapstick hair who has just be given a
cup of tea by hubby in Northamptonshire. ;D

I bet he doesn't go on his balloon flight tomorrow as rain forecast for all the day.

Thanks all for including me as being of help. I feel honoured.
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Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 30 April 08 22:38 BST (UK): Well done Dee, oh the excitment you must be felling, I can hardly wait to see the letter and gauge Nick Lynch's reaction.

Mind you Dee after all the work you did on the WDYTUA thread on Ita Buttrose showed sheer determination and true grit. ;D ;D ;D

Quote
But it shows what you can do if you all work together and keep chipping away......
very true Dee everyone contributes in some way be it big or small. It has been fun observing and watching with avid interest ..what comes next.

Seahall...oh how lovely to be out in the rain..we have forgotten again what it is like in the far north very very dry as I believe parts of the southern states are still the same. So jump in a few puddles for us please.

Eargerly awaiting Part three... Is there a televsion show in there?

regards Jenn
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 22:45 BST (UK): Good morning, Jenn and Sandy, from a very slow and yawning Dee this morning. I did eventually fall asleep, but the minute it started to get light, I was awake as usual. ::) ::) Think there is going to be the need for a couple of extra strong cuppas this morning. ;D

There may indeed be a Part 3 coming up.....once we can talk more to Nick. There is another aspect to the story which he would love to know more about. We'll have to just wait and see on that one.

.....dee
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Post by: cando on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:03 BST (UK): Wow dee....what progress since I looked in here last. I need an internet connection in the tractor...but the NextG network is limited to the hills in this area. Look forward to seeing Part 3.

Weather report - cool and showers....ah the smell of rain on parched mallee soils. :) :)

Cheers to all
Cando
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Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:05 BST (UK): I'll bet it was very hard for you to sleep last night.. a strong cuppa might to the trick.

It is allways fullfilling to do lookups and find other information for fellow Rootschaters but a story and thread like this one is so much more fun and rewarding. Especially when you see some many getting involved.

Plus the thread has been very harmonious which is so very pleasant.

regards Jenn
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Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:08 BST (UK): Oh Cando I just had a mental picture of you on the tractor with a laptop between you knees and a extra long pencil or stick to work the key boards as you work away.

Thats lovely you have some rain will help with the new plantings.

we had our driest every March and April now too. Rain oh please send it up.

regards Jenn
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Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:09 BST (UK): Morning all, well I have awoken to a further email from Derrick (whose mother was Alfred Parrs half sister) and have all his contact details, he is very keen to to have contact with Nick Lynch.
He tells me that Archibald Parr, Alfreds brother survived the war but suffered badly from shell shock, he used to visit him often in hospital. He has been unable to find anything about the other brother John Victor.
Dee, and everbody once again well done. And its raining here too...
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Post by: karenlee on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:09 BST (UK): Sounds like you are getting into training for Twiglet Hours dee...... Not much sleep and lots of caffeine

Karenlee
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Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:12 BST (UK): Hi Cando,
We have had a little light rain again here overnight, so hope it reaches you again. We'll be thinking of you out on the tractor! :D :D

It's a joy to see this thread heading towards such a great conclusion.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:15 BST (UK): Quote from: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:09 BST (UK)
Morning all, well I have awoken to a further email from Derrick (whose mother was Alfred Parrs half sister) and have all his contact details, he is very keen to to have contact with Nick Lynch.
He tells me that Archibald Parr, Alfreds brother survived the war but suffered badly from shell shock, he used to visit him often in hospital. He has been unable to find anything about the other brother John Victor.

Jan, that's great news about Derrick. Nick was asking how he could get in touch and I told him that once he came on the thread he would be able to exchange personal messages with you, and you would head him in the right direction.

Do you think Derrick would like to join the thread?

....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:20 BST (UK): I have given Derrick or Dell as he prefers the details of this thread, so I hope he does find his way here, I have sent you a PM Dee with the details for Nick Lynch.
It would be great if they all joined in :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:33 BST (UK): Thanks Jan......PM received and read.......

You can tell Dell that Nick is keen to be in touch with him as soon as it is possible for him to do so.

At this stage we just have to be patient until Nick is back within decent internet access. He is hoping that tonight his accommodation might provide that, but otherwise it will be tomorrow night when he is back home in Victoria.

.....dee

P.S. And your OH thought he might get his computer back! ;D ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:37 BST (UK): "Alfreds brother survived the war but suffered badly from shell shock,"

HI All,
I wonder if this goes towards explaining the mother's statement in the letter that she had 'already given two" He was so damaged.

This has been a thrilling hunt. :D
Wonder if brother Mark who is running for ANZAC has heard the news yet.
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 30 April 08 23:41 BST (UK): If he hasn't yet, I am sure he will soon, Sue.... :D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 01 May 08 01:52 BST (UK): This thread just keeps getting more exciting!

Tell you what Dee, I'm glad I went to bed when I did last night, or I would have been too excited to sleep too.

It's such good news that all the relatives are interested in this story - I suppose it could very easily have gone the other way, with no interest shown at all.

I hope that Nick, Anne and Dell join us. As he has been away, Nick is excused for not contributing sooner ;D. I would like to ask Nick how this treasure ended up in his father's shed?

You RootsChatters are amazing! I hope the Herald Sun will do another followup story.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Kooka on Thursday 01 May 08 02:01 BST (UK): Hi all. This is Pte Charles Forster's Niece. I have sent an email to dee but thank you all so much for the work you have put into finding all our family's history. It is so exciting. I still haven't read it all yet, but I will.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Thursday 01 May 08 02:04 BST (UK): OOOOooooh! Kooka
I went all shivery & emotional when I saw your words on our board!!

Fantastic

Sue ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 01 May 08 02:07 BST (UK): Welcome aboard Rootschat, Kooka....the best Family History Community site in the world.......

Glad to see you made it onto here.
As you'll see, I eventually managed to contact Nick, and he's thrilled too.

Read the thread at your leisure.....there is a lot to absorb. And please don't hesitate to ask us any questions......we'll answer if we can.

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 01 May 08 02:10 BST (UK): Quote from: Ruskie on Thursday 01 May 08 01:52 BST (UK)

I would like to ask Nick how this treasure ended up in his father's shed?

You RootsChatters are amazing! I hope the Herald Sun will do another followup story.

Ruskie, how the treasure ended up in his father's shed may well be Part #3 for us to work on! ;D ;D

And yes, I agree....it would be great if the Herald Sun did follow up the story.....

....dee (just in from the garden for a few minutes....)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Thursday 01 May 08 02:13 BST (UK): Welcome kooka, and it's been a pleasure and a lot of fun to be involved in the search for the two families.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Kooka on Thursday 01 May 08 02:19 BST (UK): Apparently Nick lynch's grandmother was a cousin to a girl called Alison. Uncle Charlie was writing letters and postcards to Alison so I assume she may have been a girlfriend. When uncle Charlie died , Alison never married or had a family so all her possessions went to her cousin (nick's grandmother) and eventually ended up in Nick's father's garage. I believe this is how it happened. Maybe you could find out who this Alison was. By the way, there is a possibility of this whole story being run on SBS tv as a documenary called "Not Forgotten". How exciting.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 01 May 08 02:22 BST (UK): How very very exciting that would be if SBS does run the story, Kooka! Fingers crossed that it does, and we can all watch it. We are great fans of the SBS series Who Do You Think You Are.

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Thursday 01 May 08 02:28 BST (UK): Hi everyone :)

One can't afford to be away from this board for too long as so much keeps happening!

Welcome Kooka and thanks for joining us. I hope you get some time soon to grab a
coffee and settle down and have a good read of all the wonderful
information these very clever people have found out about your family.
I can't wait to hear more details.

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 01 May 08 04:04 BST (UK): Hello there Kooka

Now then what an amazing story and how wonderfull for you to read all about.
Quote
Apparently Nick lynch's grandmother was a cousin to a girl called Alison. Uncle Charlie was writing letters and postcards to Alison so I assume she may have been a girlfriend. When uncle Charlie died , Alison never married or had a family so all her possessions went to her cousin (nick's grandmother) and eventually ended up in Nick's father's garage. I believe this is how it happened. Maybe you could find out who this Alison was. By the way, there is a possibility of this whole story being run on SBS tv as a documenary called "Not Forgotten". How exciting

May I ask how you found this bit of information please. To find who she was , we would need the maiden name of Nick's grandmother, I believe we would have a good go and finding out who she was thats for sure.

oh I can feel several more pages coming on.........

kind regards Jenn and welcome to Rootschat. 8)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Thursday 01 May 08 04:21 BST (UK): Just found another lady who is researching this particular family and she is in Australia, sent her the link to this thread.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 01 May 08 04:37 BST (UK): Great news Jan.... :D

Jenn,
Nick will have told Kooka the story.....he told me about it last night, which is why I said there is probably a Part #3 to come! ;D ;D

The original article to go in the Herald Sun was much longer, but was edited, as stories often are.......

....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 01 May 08 04:42 BST (UK): Thanks Dee

I have been trolling the electoal Rolls for Allison at Maffra , thats assuming an awfull lot.

We are impatient folk on Rootschat aren't we ;)

regards Jenn

PS Dee.. just think if fate hadn't stepped in and delayed your plans for your trip, this thread would more than likely not got as far and you would not have had so much success and good fun with this thread . God moves in mysterious ways
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 01 May 08 04:49 BST (UK): Ahhh Jenn.....I was never leaving till the 14th May anyway....... ;D ;D ;D

Next meeting of our little Genealogy group here is a "Show and Tell" day.....what a great story I'll have.....I can show the newspaper article and tell the story! :D :D

....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 01 May 08 04:51 BST (UK): Ahhhhh. Dee

my mistake I took it to be a week or so again...... but such fun you will have at your show and tell,

Maybe you might even get a chance to meet up with Nick or his brother Mark

Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 01 May 08 04:54 BST (UK): Jenn, when Nick Lynch comes on board, he will probably give us what details he has of his grandmother and Alison, as he said he would be very pleased to have help in seeing if we can find out more.

.......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 01 May 08 05:39 BST (UK): Hello Kooka,

I'm so pleased that you have decided to join us. I hope you enjoy reading this huge saga. A documentary about this story sounds very exciting. I hope you'll keep us informed about it.

I love the story of Alison being a sweetheart - I suspected as much ;). I imagine that Alison may be a fairly unusual first name for that time, so that might help to track her down. I can see a film in this story ...

The rootschatters are on a roll now ....................
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: chrissy on Thursday 01 May 08 09:17 BST (UK): Hello ;D ;D ;D
As a long time rootschatter,who had to get up early every morning,before work,just to check this thread out,Once again your brilliance shines :-*.The generosity, and sheer bloody determinedness??? is that a word??? ,is just amazing.
Great work to all concerned,all over the world,this is what makes this site ..THE BEST!!!!!
Well done Crew....................
cheers from Chrissyxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Thursday 01 May 08 09:26 BST (UK): Can I just add my 'Well Done' to you all for a magnificent job.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Thursday 01 May 08 12:04 BST (UK): Oh my ;D ;D ;D

Just had chance to check back in on this thread. I am thrilled that it's all going so well & a big welcome to Kooka. ;D

A big thank you to the girls who answered my post on the Leicester board. ;)

I'm sure there will be a result on the Parr line soon. :)

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 01 May 08 12:18 BST (UK): Maddie....we have had success there too! I've talked to Nick Lynch, and he'll be joining us as soon as he can. :D :D

....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Kooka on Thursday 01 May 08 13:37 BST (UK): All you people are absolutely amazing. I have only just finished reading all the information you have posted on the thread about my family and Parr's family and can't believe all the time and effort you all put in. It has certainly been an amazing chain of events and thanks again. :)
Title: Re: Newbon / Parr Family Tree
Post by: CJC on Thursday 01 May 08 13:42 BST (UK): Hi, I have just received an email via GenesReunited regarding a link to this chat. I understand you are trying to find family tree information for Newbon/ Parr Family. I have a connection here can i help, let me know what it is you would like to know and i will try to help if i can
Regards
CJC
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Thursday 01 May 08 13:57 BST (UK): Welcome to RootsChat CJC :)

Nice to have you on board.

I'm sure you will be able to help with this amazing story.

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 01 May 08 14:13 BST (UK): Hi everyone and welcome again CJC.

CJC just sent me this via PM ;D:

Hi i have charles newbon 1856 in my tree and he married elizabeth parr are we any connection?
Regards
CJC
;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 01 May 08 14:20 BST (UK): CJC,
Just had to go back to find the appropriate proof (I found it on page 7), but now I don't know how to put the bit I want to put in quotes, so I'll put it in italics :-\. The answer to your question CJC, is YES!

From the newspaper article
Troop Sgt Parr was born in Beeston, Nottingham, England.
He came to Victoria, worked as a farmer, and signed up in Hamilton in February, 1915.
The search for his family has been complicated by the different surname of his mother, Elizabeth Newbon.
Not long after writing to the Forster family, Sgt Parr was also killed.
He was awarded a Distinguished Conduct Medal, second only to the Victoria Cross, for his
courage under fire on April 25, 1918 - the date of Forster's death.

From the 1901. (Thanks to Maddie)
RG13/2977/11 page 13 Loughborough Leicester

Charles Newbon 45 born Easton Northants
Elizabeth A Newbon 32 born Beeston Notts
James W Newbon 20 born Beeston Notts
Mary E Newbon 15 born Beeston Notts
Alfred, Archibald & John Parr ages 7, 3 & 3 respectively all born Loughborough Leicestershire.
Mabel Barber dau aged 5 born Loughborough.
Charles Newbon aged 3mths Loughborough

Free BMD has the marriage of Elizabeth A Parr to Charles Newbon Mar qtr 1900 Loughborough 7a 158

This would explain the query on Alfred's Mother's name.

Also from Free BMD Elizabeth Ann Archer married John Parr June qtr 1891 Loughborough 7a 248

John Parr died June qtr 1899 Loughborough aged 30 7a 80.

;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 01 May 08 20:12 BST (UK): Okay a bit from the Northamptonshire side.

1861 Census Easton

Rg 9/2313 Pg 33 Folio 53 Sch 190 West Street

James Newbon Head 52
Mary Wife 47
Eliza Daur 9
Emma Daur 7
Charles Son 5
Mary Daur 2

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 01 May 08 20:19 BST (UK): 1871 Census Easton

Rg10/3309 Pg 15 Folio 48 Sch 85

James Newbon Head 60
Mary Wife 56
Emma Daur 17
Charles Son 15
Mary Daur 12

Grandson also named James aged 1.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 01 May 08 20:25 BST (UK): A earlier child of James's from the Northants Marriage Index.

Easton on the Hill
26 Jan 1858
Robert NEWBON otp, bachelor, age 22, baker, father James, labourer to Ann TODD
otp, spinster, father Isaac, labourer.

As Easton on the Hill is at the top of the County next to Lincolnshire James marriage(s) maybe in that county.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 01 May 08 20:43 BST (UK): 1851 Census for Easton

H.O.107/2094 Pg 33 Folio 405 Sch 135 Village

James Newbon Head Mar 41
Mary Wife 38
Robert Son 15
Sarah Daur 7
Elizabeth Daur 5

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 01 May 08 20:48 BST (UK): 1841 Census for Easton

H.O.107/812/5 Pg 7 Folio 6 Village

James Newbon 30 Ag Lab Y
Mary 25 N (Lincs)
Robert 5 Y
Mary 2mo Y

Lots of information on familysearch for this lineage.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 01 May 08 20:58 BST (UK): A possible burial for James

Easton on the Hill
James NEWBON 09 May 1888 Aged 78

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 01 May 08 21:00 BST (UK): Just found marriage details .

James Newbon married Mary Warren in Stamford Lincs in 1844.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Thursday 01 May 08 23:32 BST (UK): Dell has just sent me a great photo of Alfred Parr, just got to work out how to show you all.
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 01 May 08 23:44 BST (UK): OK Jan....do you want some help? .....

There's a couple of things you need to know when posting a photo......

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 01 May 08 23:46 BST (UK): Sandy, we are going to have two great trees on this thread....the Forsters and the Newbons! That's an extra for any descendants who read this thread...... :D :D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 01 May 08 23:48 BST (UK): Morning Dee :)

I also just offered help in a P.M. :) in posting the piccie.

Hope it arrives before I go to bed.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 01 May 08 23:50 BST (UK): Jan's doing very well for a brand new Rootschatter, isn't she? :D :D

I'm supposed to be bathroom cleaning this morning.... :-\

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Thursday 01 May 08 23:53 BST (UK): Ok here goes, if this is wrong I will delete
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3020/2458143560_7bf5c716f8.jpg)
Dell also tells me he was 5'5" tall.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 01 May 08 23:56 BST (UK): Brilliant Jan. :)

Couldn't agree more Dee.

Off to bed now.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 00:00 BST (UK): G'dnight Sandy. :D

Brilliantly done, Jan! :D :D
He was a good looking young man.......

The National Archives WW1 Record for Alfred Parr gives a brief physical description of him.

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 02 May 08 00:03 BST (UK): Doesn't that add another dimension to the story and actual picture of him, yes a handsome man that's for sure. My mum used to say "handsome is as handsome does" well he did handsomely didn't he. :)

Well Done Jan for adding that picture.

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 02 May 08 00:05 BST (UK): Oooh yes, I bet he was popular with the ladies ;)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 00:07 BST (UK): And just in case someone needs something to do, ;D I seem to have managed to put together quite a large family tree (s) for the Parr and Newbon side of things, but Charles Alfred Forsters aunt Annie Forster the daughter of James and Joyce Gamble seems to have married a Barnard Reeves and then vanished of the face of the earth.
Her sister married Barnards brother Andrew and they both lived and died in Stratford Vic.
I have searched Vic, NSW, & Qld Indexes, can find no children for Barnard and Annie or their deaths. Electoral rolls also nothing. They married in Vic in 1903.
I would like to tie of a loose end.
Stubborn Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 00:12 BST (UK): I'll check South Australia for you, Jan......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 00:17 BST (UK): No deaths in South Australia to 1972, and no births either....... :-\

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 00:18 BST (UK): Oh well they must be somewhere,
Will be back later
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 02 May 08 00:29 BST (UK): Anyone tried New Zealand?? A lot of tooing and froing back then!!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 02 May 08 00:34 BST (UK): Just adding in that Barnard had the middle name of Hazlett his mother's maiden name
regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: liverpool annie on Friday 02 May 08 00:55 BST (UK): As I am a dufuss with all things Australian as you know ... I found these in Victoria - but I don't know if they are any good !! :-\ and it's Bernard I found not Barnard .... :-\

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1901-1936

Name - Bernard Reeves
Gender - Male
Electoral Year - 1903
State - Victoria
District - Gippsland
Subdistrict - Lindenow

Name - Bernard Reeves
Gender - Male
Electoral Year - 1914
State - Victoria
District - Gippsland
Subdistrict - Lindenow

Name - Bernard Reeves
Gender - Male
Electoral Year - 1903
State - Victoria
District - Gippsland
Subdistrict - Newry
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: jmp on Friday 02 May 08 00:58 BST (UK): Oh I just wanted to add my congrats to all of you for the hard work you have done. Maffra caught my eye as I have rellies living there but alas not the family you need.

Do keep up the good work and I hope that Nick manages to join you today

Jackie ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 01:06 BST (UK): Thanks Jackie.....it's been a great team effort. :D

Annie, thanks also....but not the bernard/barnard we are after. :-\

There's a Bernard Harley in 1903 at Stratford......not sure if that is meant to be Barnard Hazlett Reeves or not. :-\

NZ is a distict possibility, especially if Barnard was a grazier.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Friday 02 May 08 01:32 BST (UK): Quote from: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 01:06 BST (UK)

There's a Bernard Harley in 1903 at Stratford......not sure if that is meant to be Barnard Hazlett Reeves or not. :-\

.....dee

Dee

I had a look at the image and I
think it is Bernard/Barnard Hazlett Reeves.

Just my opinion :)

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 01:39 BST (UK): I think that too, Raylen......but tis the only entry......
The image doesn't show clearly Harley or Hazlett.

It seems they may have either left the mainland, or gone to the Northern Territory.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Friday 02 May 08 01:46 BST (UK): There is a tree on Ancestry with Barnard Reeves family.
Lists his mother as born in New Zealand.

As usual...........no guarantee on accuracy :)

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 01:51 BST (UK): But it does hint that Barbara's suggestion of New Zealand could be a distinct possibility.....

Back to bathroom cleaning...... :(

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 02:29 BST (UK): New Zealand it was, one of the other researchers I emailed regarding the Forsters has the info in the rootsweb archives. I think this lady may have posted here earlier today from the link I sent her.
Her Grandmother was Annie Forsters sister and so Charles Alfreds Aunt, kooka is going to have more rellies than she knows what to do with shortly. :)
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 03:25 BST (UK): ;D ;D ;D

That's what can happen when Rootschatters get involved!

I think I may have found the Alison that Nick Lynch has mentioned, but I may be wrong, so I won't post until we hear from him, and find out a little bit more......no point in posting irrelevant information.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 02 May 08 03:32 BST (UK): O h no dear you are going to keep us in suspense aren't you :D

glad to see that Barnard H has been found. I saw the electoral roll with Harley and thought that had to be him there are some errors in transcribing names from the original documention to the Rolls, just like the UK census.

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 03:36 BST (UK): For the moment! ;D ;D ;D

I think it's great of Jan to put together a Forster tree as far as she is able. I'm sure Kooka will be happy to see it.......

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Kea on Friday 02 May 08 05:40 BST (UK): Hi everyone,

NZ Archives have a probate record for a Bernard Hazel Reeves, retired, of Manurewa (Auckland) dated 1964. Do you think this could be him?

http://archway.archives.govt.nz/
(Use the simple search)

Stephanie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 05:48 BST (UK): Hi Stephanie.....thanks for that. :D :D

I'd say it very likely is our missing man.....

....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Friday 02 May 08 05:59 BST (UK): Good find Stephanie !

And could this be Annie :)

Auckland probates
REEVES Annie - Manurewa ex Auckland - Widow
1965 High Court Auckland, Department of Justice

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: percy porter on Friday 02 May 08 06:02 BST (UK): Good evening to us Southern hemisphere viewers and good morning to those yet to rise. I like many others have been following this thread with a great deal of interest as I suspect many hundreds of others have and like them possibly lamenting the fact that access to the necessary facilities has restricted me from making any positive contribution.

I note that Jan (and I have PM'd her) has put together a tree, I don't know to what extent but if it is not complete I am happy to spend a few hours compiling it into a form that is readable by most, if not all, genealogy programmes.

I run TMG version 7 (The Master Genealogist) as we know if it is to be complete with all references and events that have been posted on this thread it will be quite time consuming even for an expert and that I am not. I do not want to spend many hours if some one has already done it.

Alan NZ
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Friday 02 May 08 06:11 BST (UK): Hello there Alan,

It has indeed been a very interesting thread - and so much fun :)

I have sent Anne a very basic summary of what has been found so far
for her Forster family. I'm sure there is more information but I thought it might
be easier to let her try and take in all of the posts in this simple form and
then, later I'm sure she will appeciate a more detailed version.

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 06:20 BST (UK): Alan, I think your offer is very kind and would be well worth while.

My thoughts are that the way this thread is going, Ruskie is going to have to start a Part #2, and Foster and Parr/Newbon trees that are concise and easy to read would be an excellent way of starting off the next thread, together with a summary of what has happened.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 02 May 08 07:16 BST (UK): Dee, do you know how long this thread can get before we have to start another one?

Has anyone been taking notes as this thread progresses? Alan has kindly offered to put it all into tree format, but as he said someone else may have already done so.

Maybe we should wait a little while before giving Alan the go ahead, and ask that if anyone has entered this information in some kind of computer package and would like to share it, could they please let us know on this thread.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 07:23 BST (UK): That's a good idea, Ruskie. If someone else does have it put into a format that they can post, there is no point in Alan doing it again.....

We have to go onto a new Part of a new Scavenger Hunt thread after twenty pages, which I am told is 300 messages. It's the same with the threads that continue in ToT, like the YTG thread etc.

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 02 May 08 07:38 BST (UK): I asked that question a few months ago with the Heasman thread it is 29 pages long and still not completed
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,259529.420.html

the page limitation seems to be only for fun stuff or maybe be not as I have been informed. So then who knows?

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 02 May 08 08:01 BST (UK): I think thread length is up to the individual mod and what side of bed they got up on....... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 08:30 BST (UK): I started a file in Family Tree Maker when I started on this, because for me it was easier to keep track of the info as the search progressed. Both the Parr/Newbon and Forster families are in the same file and there are about 125 individuals with sources and refs that I used. I need to do a quick run through on it just to make sure, some have just limited source info such as Vic Federation Index etc but I could soon fix that up.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 08:34 BST (UK): Not sure how you could post a chart or summary that was easy for people to read, Jan......any ideas?
You'd have to make sure there were no living people on it.....

I know people attach PDF files to threads.....but don't know if you can do that from FTM. I use PAF5 and certainly can't. :-\

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 08:41 BST (UK): Dee, I can do a pdf, but as you said I have to take out a few things that relate to living individuals.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Friday 02 May 08 08:43 BST (UK): Morning All

I also use Family Tree Maker 2006.

Jan has already listed I think a chart from it when she joined in the topic and
as she says it must be getting hugh. ;D

I suppose Jan could gedcom the information to others if she wished.

No sign of Nick then :'( slept late and found yet more excellent information
has been found when reviewing lastest posts.

I was looking at another query last night before I went to bed and it related
to America and New Zealand.

Will ask for help when I have sorted out what it is needed.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 08:52 BST (UK): OK.....don't want to put anyone to too much work..... :-\

Maybe a gedcom to those who want it would be the way to go if Jan is prepared to do that.....

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: percy porter on Friday 02 May 08 08:59 BST (UK): I have cut and pasted all the relevant information that can be sort of proven. I have not included anything that is obviously or at a lter date proved to be irrelevant.

So far it has come to 9 pages with a size 10 font so it is quite a lot of detail. For me it would take probably a week or more. I will try and sort it into some sort of sequence and see what can be done from there.

ALan NZ
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 09:07 BST (UK): It's OK, Alan.......don't worry about it...tis too much work......

I think Jan may be going to be able to send gedcoms to those who would like one......on the understanding that it is not totally and properly sourced.......but will pull the families together better for us......

otherwise we will all just have to keep checking back........

....dee :D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 02 May 08 09:10 BST (UK): I'm computer illiterate, but is there any way that Jan can put the tree online, still update it when necessary, but with some kind of link so that anyone can pop in regularly to see any new finds/updates? Or is that too much like a proper website which would need mega amounts of work?

Would this be easier than Jan having to send gedcoms to all who ask (there might be hundreds ;))? Also, it won't be long before new people are found who will need to be added, and the old tree will need updating.

Please tell me I'm dreaming if something like this is out of the question. :P

PS. I think at this stage if Jan doesn't have the proper sources, she should leave them out - what do others think? I think of this as just a rough tree outline to organise the families.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: percy porter on Friday 02 May 08 09:13 BST (UK): The short answer to that question is no.......

Alan NZ
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Friday 02 May 08 09:14 BST (UK): Sorry Jan and Ruskie

I never thought of the inconvenience to you Jan about how many people
may ask for a gedcom file. :'(

Just ignore my post.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 02 May 08 09:16 BST (UK): Maybe some one who has all the details could do a short summary just to show who's who a little bit not necessary for all to have it, is it?

Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 09:18 BST (UK): Quote from: Ruskie on Friday 02 May 08 09:10 BST (UK)

PS. I think at this stage if Jan doesn't have the proper sources, she should leave them out - what do others think? I think of this as just a rough tree outline to organise the families.

Definitely....we don't need the sources ....it is just to give us a guide.....

And I think Alan gave us the answer to the other part of the question....... ;D ;D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 09:20 BST (UK): No worries Sandy, and emailing the file would be not a worry, quick and easy, but just give me an hour I am having an idea.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 09:21 BST (UK): Done, Jan..... we'll leave you in peace...... :D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Friday 02 May 08 09:22 BST (UK): That is what I thought Jan but I suppose it is giving your e-mail address to alot of
people that is something I would not relish.

Take as long as you need.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: percy porter on Friday 02 May 08 09:23 BST (UK): Quote from: ausjan link=topic=300953.msg1842909#msg1842909 I am having an idea.
[quote

Now that's a new name for it! ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 09:27 BST (UK): Ok I have set up an email address that I am willing to put on here, will that work?? so the ones that want it can email me, I can send the gedom or pdf, then I can delete your emails after it is sent. With the Gedcom you get both families etc, with the pdf there will be a couple of files.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: percy porter on Friday 02 May 08 09:28 BST (UK): I wouldn't put it up here Jan just send it to those that ask for it.

Alan NZ
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 09:32 BST (UK): Jan,
Let the people who want a gedcom/Pdf file send you a PM with their email address in it. We are not permitted to put email addresses on the threads.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Friday 02 May 08 09:35 BST (UK): Just sent my request by P.M. Dee. ;D

I hope Jan can cope with the amount.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Friday 02 May 08 09:44 BST (UK): Wow Jan

Thank you so much. ;D ;D ;D

What speed we said it was easy.

You have done a lot of hard work compiling all those family members.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 09:46 BST (UK): Sandy I have poured myself a little drink and that will help me cope ;)
But people's please be aware this is just a basic outline of the families
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 09:49 BST (UK): That's all we need, Jan......you're a star!

Many thanks......Have downloaded and will now go import it! :D :D :D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cristobel on Friday 02 May 08 09:50 BST (UK): Hello all,

This has been an absolutely enthralling thread. I check before work in the morning & again after work - its the first thing I do when I walk in the door. Oh dear - a worry ;)

You've all been wonderful detectives. :D

I agree with Jenn when she said a basic summary would be interesting particulary to us 'outsiders' , but happy to PM and get it that way. If only to see in black & white how it's all unravelled.

Great work - it's grabbed everyone's interest.

Cheers, Chris
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 09:53 BST (UK): As the requests are being sent I am deleting the message which contains your email address from my inbox to keep track of things.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 09:54 BST (UK): I could do a pedigree outline for Alfred Parr and Charles Forster......

That might help folks.....

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: percy porter on Friday 02 May 08 09:58 BST (UK): thanks for the file Jan I have responded.

Time for bed

a weary
Alan NZ
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 10:05 BST (UK): G'dnight Alan.

Thanks for joining in..... :D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 10:14 BST (UK): Ok all who asked have received I hope, one thing I must say it is quite amazing what has been achieved here with a large group of people working together, tossing ideas around and then getting results.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 02 May 08 10:16 BST (UK): Jan, do you have to have a Gedcom allready installed on you computer?

regards JEnn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 10:20 BST (UK): Jenn, you need a family history program that imports Gedcom files.

If you don't have one, then I could make you Descendant charts and send you by email......but would be too big to PM or post.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 02 May 08 10:25 BST (UK): Ah ha

Do you know I don't have that.

Please don't worry Dee, I guess there may be ways around it if I have to look back, but then again this thread has plenty of Cooks helping big time.

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 02 May 08 10:27 BST (UK): What do we all think? Isn't Jan just the best newbie on RootsChat? She is obvously a very experienced researcher, and it's wonderful to have her join us.

Jan, I hope you stick around after this thread reaches it's conclusion
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 10:31 BST (UK): Hear, hear, Ruskie......it would be very sad if she disappeared into the sunset.....there's so much fun to be had on here......and so many friends to make..... :D :D

Mind you....Jan did mention something about her OH wanting his computer back..... ;) ;D ;D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 02 May 08 10:42 BST (UK): HEAR HEAR Ruskie

A welcome addition. I like to think that I could call into quite a lot of " genie friends" homes across Australia and get a warm welcome and a nice cuppa.

Jan is there anything we can help you with? Just ask away.... alltough you might not need any help I think you may have been doing this for awhile.

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 10:44 BST (UK): Quote from: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 10:31 BST (UK)
Here, here, Ruskie......it would be very sad if she disappeared into the sunset.....there's so much fun to be had on here......and so many friends to make..... :D :D

Mind you....Jan did mention something about her OH wanting his computer back..... ;) ;D ;D
......dee
He went and bought his own....think he saw the writing on the wall
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 10:46 BST (UK): :o :o ;D ;D

Now you are set, then Jan! ;D ;D

We warn you....Rootschat is addictive......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 02 May 08 10:52 BST (UK): I am putting together my brick walls to post on the appropriate boards and if this thread is any indication I might get lucky. I am just trying to work out why it took me so long to find rootschat.

Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 02 May 08 10:58 BST (UK): If Rootschatters can help, they will. There are some brick walls that people just can't break down, and once you get back before BDM registrations, it gets difficult.

But the help you can get is amazing, as this thread demonstrates........

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cristobel on Friday 02 May 08 13:07 BST (UK): Hello,

Found this - it may be old news, and you probably know it all, but thought I'd add it anyhow. :)

http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=234131

Cheers, Chris
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cristobel on Friday 02 May 08 13:44 BST (UK): Sorry, I see that link was posted way back in the early stages of this thread - well at least about half way. ;)

Cheers, Chris
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 02 May 08 14:41 BST (UK): Jan, don't forget our Scavenger Hunts........we might be able to help you on one of those.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Saturday 03 May 08 02:25 BST (UK): Hi,
To all you Genies.

I have watched this thread from the very start.

I put my two bob's worth in very early in the post, however it was superseded in no time. not that I minded at all.

There are so many people here willing to go the extra miles to solve a mystery.

Congratulations to you all, I'm waiting for the final chapter.

Sarra :) :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 03 May 08 13:23 BST (UK): Just to let everyone know that I haven't heard any more from Nick Lynch. Guess he's busy with family after his week away working. Hopefully he will be in touch before too long, either on this thread or to me.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: spof on Saturday 03 May 08 15:03 BST (UK): What an amazing amount of work you've all done!

For those who are unaware, there is a similar "project" going on about trying to return an identity tag found in France to the family of it's owner. See here for a part of the ongoing saga

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271385.0.html

One of things they have done is use http://www.tribalpages.com to set up a page for Robert Stead to collate all the information into a single place easily accessible by anyone who is interested. The site is http://rwstead.tribalpages.com

Would something similar be useful for here? It only takes a few minutes to upload a GEDCOM and you can password protect parts you may not want publicly visible without a password. If you think it's worth a try, let me know and I'll set it up.

Glen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 04 May 08 09:38 BST (UK): Hi Glen,

I've been following the Robert Stead thread too - all 5 million pages of it ;). What a great result they've had, but still no living relatives ... :(.

It's very nice of you to offer to set up a tribal pages page. If it's easy to do and can easily be updated, then I think it would be wonderful. I would like other's opinions before accepting your kind offer though.

So .... what do you all think?
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 04 May 08 10:14 BST (UK): I too have followed the Robert Stead thread....

And I think that's a very kind offer, and could be very useful if Glen is prepared to do that for us.

Still waiting to hear again from Nick Lynch.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: spof on Sunday 04 May 08 10:39 BST (UK): Setting up the site is extremely simple - just upload a GEDCOM and it does most of th work. You just need to add an intro, any sources or photos and decide what type of ecurity to use.

The most basic site is like the one I set up yesterday at http://spof.tribalpages.com

Before we go any further, I think it is best if we get approval from members of the families such as Kooka as it is their family information we are dealing with.

Glen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 04 May 08 10:41 BST (UK): Having followed the Robert Stead thread and seen the site, I think it's a marvelous idea. I for one would be really interested in seeing it.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 04 May 08 10:44 BST (UK): Glen, I agree.......and it needs to be checked to make sure there are no names of living people on it.......

Dell is the other person who nees to be asked if we were thinking of doing it with the Parr/Newbon tree.........

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Sunday 04 May 08 22:20 BST (UK): Please can I pop back in to say the Tribal Pages idea is a brilliant one if all concerned agree.

I have my own tree on there & have had no problems with it & it's very easy to use. :)

I'm looking forward to catching up with it all when I get home, I'm having problems keeping up with you all, you are doing such a fantastic job. ;D ;D

Maddie 8)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 05 May 08 11:39 BST (UK): Just spoke to Nick Lynch again as he was tucking littlies into bed. :D :D
He has had a hectic weekend with family, but will try to be in touch by email later tonight or tomorrow. Once I have his email, I'll send him the link to this thread......

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Monday 05 May 08 11:43 BST (UK): Brilliant Dee ;D ;D

I was just about to close down the computer when the acknowledgement popped up.

You're a star. ;D

I will now leave for our outing. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: spof on Monday 05 May 08 12:24 BST (UK): Good news Dee.

Meanwhile, I've found a photograph of the SS Burunga whichwas the ship taking Charles' personal effects back to Australia before it was torpedoed about 250km off the SW coast of England.

http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/H02017

and this has a bit of background information on the Barunga

http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/H04182
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 05 May 08 12:50 BST (UK): Thanks for keep us informed Dee. Yes, I imagine Nick has many other matters to attend to if he has been away from home. I think we're all looking forward to him popping in to say hello sometime soon ;D.
Thanks spof for posting the links. Great stuff!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Kooka on Tuesday 06 May 08 02:49 BST (UK): Glen. I would be very happy for you to set up a tribal pages site for our family tree if that is not too much trouble. I can't believe that you rootschatters are still finding information on my family. :)The links to the ship which were carrying Uncle Charlie's belongings were so interesting. Thank you. Because of the publicity surrounding this ANZAC puzzle, a long lost 2nd cousin has been in touch with me. She has lots of family information. I am continually being surprised. :o Haven't heard any more from SBS tv at this stage.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Tuesday 06 May 08 07:52 BST (UK): While I'm waiting for the next chapter of this story, just thought I would post this .

When I read Spof's post about the sinking of the ship bringing "Charles" effect back to Australia.

It jogged my memory. I have the Service Record for my great aunty's husband. He was killed on the Somme in France, about two weeks before Charles Forster.

There was a letter informing her that her late husband's effects were included in a consignment shipped from England per S.S."BARUNGA", which vessel was lost at sea.

It is regretted no hope can be entertained for the recovery of those effects.

I suspect "Charles" family received a similar letter.

Thanks for posting that information Spof.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 06 May 08 13:59 BST (UK): Just reporting that I have had an email from Nick. He has registered with Rootschat, and I have now sent him the link to this thread. At 24 pages it is going to take him a while to read and absorb it all ...even ignoring the chit chat. ;D

Hopefully within a day or so he'll be able to be in contact with Derrick (Dell).

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 06 May 08 14:35 BST (UK): Nick has very kindly sent a photo of Charles Forster for everyone to see......

I think I should post it on the Photograph Restoration thread and see if anyone can restore it for the family........ :D

.......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: nlynch260 on Tuesday 06 May 08 16:56 BST (UK): Hello To All,

Nick Here. I am still trying to find words to describe how I feel about your work and this story. Extraordinary! To see so many people interested, even passionate about Charlie and Albert is amazing. When I logged in tonight I thought I might skip through the posts but as I read on I could not bring myself to miss a note and had to read all. Fantastic work.
It is a sad story about these young men who chose to go to war and because of their sacrifice meant (at the time) they might not have , and as transpired, did not marry and have children and contribute more to family lines. This actually became part of the motivation to do something about the story. I guess it was about potentially remembering individuals on ANZAC Day who might have passed into the collective memory of the group of heroes, as their memories faded.
Not so thanks to you guys, Charlies family and I are in touch and we hope to catch up over the next few weeks. Charlie was a young hero and I hope we can find out more about him. Allison and Charlie, my mother and aunts think were most likely boyfriend/girlfriend.
I was a soldier and wore the same hat as Charlie and Albert but really have no idea of what they went through. I have to say that I am not prone to tears but when I saw Alberts photo on the site tonight the corner of my eye might have been a little moist. He looks every part the hero as a DCM winner. I have more information to share on him with you
An old photo in a shed ??
Thank you all for your contributions, time probably the biggest - on line searching, but also as I understand it some have spent money, and additional time travelling to unravel the mystery. I tried with limited success and skills compared to you all and could not find family.
Sorry for the gap in communicationas after Dee contacted me, life is pretty busy had I read the posts here and seen the work I would have responded earlier
Bit of a whirlwind, I will come back and post more detail about the story and might even see if you experts can find the link between my grandmother and the Forsters

Again well done to you all, brilliant work I know I have missed many questions in this short response so please send through questions and I will send more information through. Hello to family and oversears workers

Cheers,

Nick
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 06 May 08 18:55 BST (UK): Hi Nick

Welcome to Rootschat.

Thank you for sharing the story that was brought to the forum.

It has been a delight to help with an amazing tale.

I said to Dee in a P.M. how young and sad the photograph was yet many of us do
not own any of our own.

I luckily do and through other Rootschatters I am receiving a lot of help too.

Must make you feel very proud to have him as an ancestor as I am of all of mine.

Nice to hear from you and I am sure your Aussie "friends" here will have lots to ask.

I will continue to watch the thread to learn more.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 06 May 08 23:12 BST (UK): Hello there Nick
and Welcome to Rootschat.

This story affected myself and so many others so very much. It touched our heart strings and stirred or Genie spirit into action. What the kind folk have found for you and your family to "flesh out" the picture so to speak will no doubt stay with you and your family for many years to come.

Like so many many others on Rootschat and all over the world I lost A great uncle at Galipolli but know what happened to him and his own personal story.

I look forward to hear moreabout Alison and seeing her connection unfold

kind regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: jmp on Tuesday 06 May 08 23:22 BST (UK): Hi Nick and welcome to Rootschat :D

We have all been waiting with bated breath for the next episode in this wonderful story, and the girls and boys on this board seem to have done you proud

Looking forward to hearing some more when you feel able to post ;D

Jackie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 06 May 08 23:31 BST (UK): It's great to have Nick with us. :D :D

Here's the link to the Photograph Restoration board.....some of the restorers have already been working their brand of magic with Charlie.......

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,303186.0.html

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: spof on Wednesday 07 May 08 00:38 BST (UK): Hi Kooka

Quote from: Kooka on Tuesday 06 May 08 02:49 BST (UK)
Glen. I would be very happy for you to set up a tribal pages site for our family tree if that is not too much trouble. I can't believe that you rootschatters are still finding information on my family. :)The links to the ship which were carrying Uncle Charlie's belongings were so interesting. Thank you. Because of the publicity surrounding this ANZAC puzzle, a long lost 2nd cousin has been in touch with me. She has lots of family information. I am continually being surprised. :o Haven't heard any more from SBS tv at this stage.

Thank you for agreeing to let us spread Charles's commitment to a possibly wider audience. I hope I can do him justice.

I actually came across the Buranga while going through the records of a distant cousin who went missing on 25/4/1915 but whose effects got caught up in the system.

Hi Nick,

I'll add my warm welcome to Rootschat and hope to hear from you soon.

Glen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Niksmum on Wednesday 07 May 08 00:58 BST (UK): Hi Guys

I hope you don't mind but I am usually on the restoration board and worked on the photo Dee posted. I have read throught this entire thread and wanted to say well done everyone. You guys have done some amazing work.
I thought I would like to contirbute as well so I have done a little restore for you

Irene
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 07 May 08 05:20 BST (UK): This is very much an experiment to see how it comes out. Thanks to Nick for allowing me to share them with you......

If it works, and the other two do, be prepared to have your emotions touched..... :'( :'(

The letter written by Charlie Forster to Allison in 1917........
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 07 May 08 05:22 BST (UK): A post card from abroad.......
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 07 May 08 05:25 BST (UK): And now the letter from Alfred Parr to Charles Forster's mother.......
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 07 May 08 05:28 BST (UK): We Will Remember Them......
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 07 May 08 05:57 BST (UK): How very very poignant, made me blubber more than little a bit.

Thought some might like to read the following if they had not seen

For The Fallen

With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.
Solemn the drums thrill: Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres.
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.
They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.They mingle not with laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.
But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;
As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain,
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.

Laurence Robert Binyon, 1869-1943
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 07 May 08 07:15 BST (UK): Hi dee,
It was very generous of Nick to share the letters: they are so tender and private. They contain emotions and sentiments that must have been shared thousands of times around the world at that time to for mothers and loved friends.

It makes your wonderful quest so worthwhile.

Sue

I live near South Yarra Station.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Wednesday 07 May 08 10:36 BST (UK): Brilliant restorations Dee..........thanks :D

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Kooka on Wednesday 07 May 08 12:49 BST (UK): Hi all. I am sitting here wiping the tears from my eyes as I see all the wonderful restorations people have done of Uncle Charlie's photograph. Thank you all so much. Anne.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 07 May 08 12:55 BST (UK): Glad you like them, Anne.....the Restorers have done a great job, haven't they?

To think all of this has happened because a shed got cleaned out..... :D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 07 May 08 18:17 BST (UK): Hi All

Has anyone seen this link.

Charles is listed.

There are some from Northamptonshire as I can see Northants Regiment.

http://www.inmemories.com/Cemeteries/adelaide.htm

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 07 May 08 23:41 BST (UK): Thanks for that link, Sandy.....I, for one, had not seen it...... :D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: spof on Thursday 08 May 08 00:26 BST (UK): Hi Sandy

Quote from: seahall on Wednesday 07 May 08 18:17 BST (UK)
Hi All

Has anyone seen this link.

Charles is listed.

There are some from Northamptonshire as I can see Northants Regiment.

http://www.inmemories.com/Cemeteries/adelaide.htm

Sandy

Thanks for the link. Great photos.

It's interesting to note that this site and even the War Graves Commission got Charles' age wrong - they have him listed as 29 and not merely 19 :'( :'(

If you're looking for people in Adelaide Cemtery, have a browse through the CWGC website here:

http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_reports.aspx?cemetery=2701&mode=1
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: PaulaToo on Thursday 08 May 08 00:59 BST (UK): Only up to page 7, and I can understand why everyone is talking about this thread...
So leaving my mark X to be sure that I can find it again when I get up....er....later this morning....
Is it THAT time?
Good~~night~~morning everyone.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: spof on Thursday 08 May 08 00:59 BST (UK): While we're talking about Villers-Bretonneux, a couple of photos from a few years ago when I was last there
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: spof on Thursday 08 May 08 01:01 BST (UK): And..
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Lones on Thursday 08 May 08 02:39 BST (UK): Hi Spof

When you look at those pictures, it really brings it home to you, how many we lost, from every country, not just ours.

I imagined a young soldier standing quietly behind each headstone and I was just hit with the magnitude of it all.

What an incredible waste of young life, especially for our small nation, 60,000 young men not returning and so many who did never able to cope with what had happened to them. (I believe we only had about 5 million population in total then). It really was too great a price to pay for everyone

Thank you for the pics, I hope to visit the cemetery's in France when I get there in 2010

Lest we forget

Lones :(
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Post by: sarra on Thursday 08 May 08 07:37 BST (UK): I would just like to add.

Looking through the link that Spof has posted, I noticed the great majority of those killed were oh so young.

However I did see some who where in their forties.

I know that my great aunt's husband was 44 years old when he enlisted.

Seems you were never too young or too old to go to war.

Lest we forgot.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 08 May 08 14:32 BST (UK): I have had dreadful computer problems the past couple of days, and also have not been receiving notification of posts to this thread for some reason, so have missed several pages.

I can't believe what has happened since my last visit! :o

Firstly, a warm welcome to you Nick. It is so good to finally meet you. Many thanks for the sharing with us the amazing letters and the photo of Charles. I'm a bit overwhelmed by it all actually. It would be wonderful if Allison could be found to fill out the story even further. (Was it Dee who said she had found some information?)

There is also new member CJC who is related to the Parr/Newbon family (see back on page 17), but unfortunately they haven't revisited us.

Have any decisions been made as to what will become of this wonderful collection?
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Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 08 May 08 14:35 BST (UK): Ruskie,
I may have found some information on Allison....but it could be the wrong Allison, though I don't think so. I need to wait to talk to Nick again first. :D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 08 May 08 14:42 BST (UK): Oooohh goody! How exciting! I still claim that Allison was an unusual name for that era ..... (must be the right one ;))
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Friday 09 May 08 04:25 BST (UK): Well I go away for a few days and look what happens :)
I enjoyed being a part of this and look forward to hearing about Allison
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: nlynch260 on Friday 09 May 08 06:18 BST (UK): Once again hello to all and apologies for the gap in posts - busy, busy week and whilst I would much prefer to sit and read the posts at leisure and reply to all questions unfortunately the reality of work means I can't, so sitting here at Melbourne airport I thought I would get a quick post in. Dee Thanks for the great interest and actually getting the letters online, as said in my last post and to all others who are involved - a big thanks, many beautiful words. I promise to come back with answers to individual questions and hopefully Mon/Tues I will have some more time.

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome.

I'm off to board a flight so will be quick. My Grandmother was Ellen Esther Norton from Glengarry outside Maffra, she married John Leo Reid from Maffra, Allison Ewart was her cousin. Allison was the aunt of John Ewart the well known Australian actor John Ewart (Sunday Too Far Away) and many others. Many of Allisons things went to my grandmother after her death BUT John has children whom I have not been able to find, and if they have old letters we might learn more about Allison/Charlie.
She was a beautiful lady who never married again and became very involved in the arts around Melbourne. She never married and apparently many times some well known men tried to convince my grandmother to convince Allison to marry them.
I will scan and post a picture.

Again thanks to all
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Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 06:27 BST (UK): Hi Nick....many thanks.

I think I have found some information about Allison's family, so will now post it and see what the others can find.

The Photograph Restorers have done some great work with Charlie's photo. :D :D :D

Hope to catch you again before I leave next Wednesday on my trip away.....I'll struggle to have computer access for the first week.

Thanks for getting back to us.....

.......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 06:31 BST (UK): This, I think, is Allison......

Her birth.....
Allison Griffith EWART born 1903 at GEMBROOK to Hy Adam EWART & Sarah Elizth REFORD
Ref = 3515

Her death.....
Allison Griffith EWART died 1981 at PRAH
Father = Harry EWART & Mother= Sarah Elizabeth
Ref = 07701

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 06:36 BST (UK): And here's the birth of Nick's grandmother......

Ellen Esther NORTON born 1912 at MAFFRA
Father = James Joseph NORTON & Mother = Charlotte Louisa REFORD
Ref = 4997

So Allison's ~~father~~ ( - oops :-[ ) mother and Ellen's mother were siblings. :D :D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 06:45 BST (UK): Siblings for Ellen Esther Norton, both born in MAFFRA......

Jno NORTON born 1902 at GLENMAGGIE
Ref = 26613
Mother was transcribed as Charl Louisa REDFORD

Sarah Louisa NORTON born 1905
Ref = 4316

Michl NORTON born 1906 at MAFFRA
Ref = 20014

and the marriage of the parents of these children....

James NORTON born Victoria married Charlotte REFORD born Victoria in 1902
Ref = 860

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 06:59 BST (UK): Marriage of Allison's parents ......

Hy Adam EWART born Vic married Sarah Elizth REFORD born Vic in 1900
Ref = 6631

Birth of Allison's brother.....

Alf Adam EWART born in 1901 at FITZROY SOUTH
Father = Harry Adam EWART & Sarah Elizth REFORD
Ref = 11089

The Alf mentioned on the post card from Charlie?

What else can we find? ......

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Friday 09 May 08 07:06 BST (UK): Alf Adam Ewart married
Grace Madge Mcauley/Mcaulay 1924 Victoria Reg no 7494

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Friday 09 May 08 07:39 BST (UK): HI,
We can see that Alf was in the Airforce in ww2.
When he enlisted in 1941 he was living in Camberwell and Grace was his NOK.
His exact DOB. 31/3/1901
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 08:05 BST (UK): Ryerson Index has the death notice of Alfred Adam Ewart on 14th July 1986, late of Belrose, formerly of Copacabana.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 08:26 BST (UK): Was John Ewart the actor born in Victoria 26th February, 1928, the son of Alfred Adam Ewart?

I can't see any more siblings for Allison.....

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 09 May 08 09:47 BST (UK): You are amazing Dee ... what more can I say? ... and Sue ... and Raylen ...

Nick, I understand how difficult it must be to keep up with this epic when you have so little time. The most important thing is that you have found us - please pop in whenever you are able.

I'm off to google John Ewart the actor. Can't recall the name but I'm sure I'll know the face ;)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 09 May 08 10:27 BST (UK): Well now Dee so very well done.. leave it to the experts and lo and behold she has done it again.

Oh how sad that Alison never married he , Charley, must have been her one true love and no other chap ever measured up in her heart so she was true to his memory...very romantic

One small thing I can add in here where I was a small child and we had only radio I listened to a show where John Ewart was the Voice of the Muddled headed wombat...any one else remember that!!

regards Jenn
who is not getting any notifications of her postings and still can't fix it.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Friday 09 May 08 10:37 BST (UK): Quote from: tropicalj on Friday 09 May 08 10:27 BST (UK)

One small thing I can add in here where I was a small child and we had only radio I listened to a show where John Ewart was the Voice of the Muddled headed wombat...any one else remember that!!
regards Jenn

*Smiling to myself* YES!

(and thinking.............hmmmm Jenn and I might be around the same age ;))

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 10:42 BST (UK): This death in the Ryerson Index is of an obvious connection to the Ewart family......

John Reford EWART aged 66 8th March 1994 Sydney Morning Herald 10th March 1994

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 09 May 08 10:45 BST (UK): Marriage of Alfred REFORD and Sarah Griffiths 1861 reg no 3241

Children born to ALFRED REFORD and SARAH GRIFFITHS

Louis Alfred born 1863 at Melbourne reg no 21970
Ellen Maude born 1866 at Winchester reg no 1801
Sarah Elizabeth born 1868 at Grant reg no 2928
Charlotte Louisa born 1869 at Grant reg no 22596

Alfred REFORD died aged 40 1870 born Ireland reg no 9166
Father Louis mother Ellen U

Sarah REFORD born Monmouthshire married Robert ADAM : in 1874 reg no 353
One child born in Victoria
James Douglas ADAM born Grant 1874 reg no 16231

regards JEnn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Friday 09 May 08 10:45 BST (UK): dee........

John Ewart the actor died in March 1994.
(according to google)

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 10:54 BST (UK): Great, Raylen....so the Sydney Morning Herald notice is for him!

I've never followed up one of those entries.....is it worthwhile do you know?

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 10:56 BST (UK): Here's the deaths of Allison's parents......

Harry Adam EWART aged 65 died in 1925 at NAGAMBIE
Father = Jno Peter Chas Ewart
Mother= Harriet Louise BOYD
Ref = 6724

Sarah Elizabeth EWART aged 39 died in 1909 at Fton
Father = Alfred Reford & Mother = Sarah GRIFFITHS
Ref = 5015

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Raylen on Friday 09 May 08 11:05 BST (UK): dee,

This information might be helpful somewhere along the way

"Ewart was diagnosed with aesophagus cancer and died at Greenwich Hospital in Sydney. When doctors informed the family that he had only hours to live, he married his partner, former Australian TV presenter Jane Fennell. Jane Fennell is the daughter of Ewart's friend, Australian actor Willie Fennell. Jane Fennell was famous to a generation of young Australians as Miss Jane on the children's television show Mr Squiggle."

Raylen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 09 May 08 11:37 BST (UK): Dee

is there a death in the Edwardian Index for Lewis Alfred Reford, mine is not working.

He is on the 1903/1909 Electorall Rolls but not after that
thanks Jenn

ps Raylen Oh we are all showing our age when we can remember Miss Jane And Bill Steamshovel!!

I remember seeing John Ewart in shows like Country Practice and Blue Shiela's I mean Heelers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ewart

this link shows a photo of a very young John Ewart
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 11:40 BST (UK): I'll check for you, Jenn.....just got another phone call to make.....

Raylen, that could indeed be useful. From what Nick said, he'd like to get in contact with John's children..... :-\

......dee

Added.....nobody home, so PM sent to Jenn! ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 11:51 BST (UK): I'll continue with the EWART family......and I'll add any other relevant entries that I find.....

Allison and Alfred’s paternal grandparents were
John Peter Charles EWART & Harriet Louisa BOYD
Their children……

Caroline Charlot EWART born in 1853 in MELB
Ref = 244
She died aged 2 days. Ref = 432
There is a second registration record for her birth….
Ref = 18218
Church of England
ST JAMES, MELBOURNE
Fiche = 303

Robert William EWART born in 1858 at PRAHRAN
Ref = 5763
Died aged 76 in 1934 at PRAHRAN
Ref = 7004

Harry Adam EWART born 1860 at PRAH
Ref = 1453

George Alfred EWART born in 1862 at PRAH
Ref = 4498
Died aged 10 months in 1862
Ref = 9552

Jane Emily EWART born in 1863 at PRAH
Ref = 22356

Alexander Edmund EWART born in 1864 at PRAH
Ref = 24099
Married Mary Anne PRICE in 1892
Ref = 4296
Died aged 84 in 1949 at MVERN
Ref = 8614

Charlotte Caroline EWART born in 1868 at PRAHRAN
Ref = 25573

Janet Alison EWART born in 1871 at PRAH
Ref = 11382

Edmund Walter EWART born in 1873 at PRAHRAN
Ref = 4896
Died aged 7 weeks in 1873
Ref = 2227

Then there are these deaths.....
Wm Turnbull EWART died aged 80 in 1947 at ST K
Father = Jno Peter Chas Ewart & Mother = Harriet Louise BOYD
Ref = 906

Jno Chas Robertson EWART aged 85 died in 1941 at HAWKSBURN
Father = Jno Peter Chas Ewart & Mother = Harriet Laura BOYD
Ref = 5920

Mary Helen PORTER aged 53 died in 1908 in Cauld
Father = Jno Peter Chas Ewart & Mother = Hart Louisa BOYD
Ref = 13063

Her marriage....
Mary Helen EWART birth place not given married Arthur John PORTER born LAUNCESTON in 1876 Ref = 2216

and this one.....

John Peter Charles EWART born Edinburgh and aged 57 died in 1872
Father = Robert EWART & Mother = Charlotte RITCHIE
Ref = 5313

So....were John Peter Charles Ewart and Harriet married with a young family before they sailed to Australia?

Best I search the Passenger Indexes..... ;)

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 12:01 BST (UK): No luck with the Ewarts on the Victorian Passenger Indexes...... :-\

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 12:20 BST (UK): The Electoral Rolls show the following....
1924
Alfred Adam Ewart was at 19 Finlayson St, Malvern East. Occupation = mechanic.
1931
Alfred Adam and wife Grace Madge are at 16 Iris Rd, Camberwell, and now Alfred is a commercial traveller.
1936
They are both at 23 Wilson St, Gardiner. Alfred’s occupation is still traveller.

In both 1931 and 1936 Allison Ewart is at 19 Finlayson St, Malvern East. Occupation = typiste.

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 12:47 BST (UK): According to information on
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0263861/bio
John Ewart also married in 1978, ....his second marriage ......and there are some details given. including the name of a son.

It appears he had four children and four grandchildren.

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 09 May 08 13:14 BST (UK): John Peter Charles Ewart
born 27 Sept 1815
Edinburgh parish
Edinburgh
Midlothian

father Robert Ewart
mother Charlotte Ritchie

extracted IGI record
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 13:18 BST (UK): Great, Ruskie! :D

Here's an additional bit of information on Alfred Reford who died in 1870 at Summerhill. He was killed by a fall of earth..... :(
Ref = 1112

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 09 May 08 13:23 BST (UK): Also from the IGI some siblings for John Peter Charles:
(same place of birth as John)
Caroline Chambers Ewart b 1 Oct 1805
Charlotte Helen Sollay b 18 Jul 1813
Jane Maria Clementina b 24 Aug 1817
Robert Brunton b 18 jul 1808
Adam Ritchie chr 7 Dec 1809

these chr St Cuthbert Edinburgh:
Peter Adam chr 1 Jun 1802
Jean chr 29 Jul 1803
Charlotte chr 30 Jun 1804
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 09 May 08 13:24 BST (UK): Robert Ewart = Charlotte Richie
1 Sept 1799
St Cuthbert
Edinburgh

(IGI extracted)

There are a few too many Robert Ewarts and Charlotte Ri(t)chies to narrow down dates of births and parents for these two. A purchase of OPR (if available) from Scotland's People is necessary to discover parents :-\
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 09 May 08 13:41 BST (UK): I think we've probably gone back far enough, Ruskie. The Ewarts going back are not linked to Nick's family that I can see.....

It's only the more recent descendants that are....

However, the Refords and Nortons are Nick's family.

I think Jenn is working on Refords.....

From the searching so far, it seems everyone is right in thinking that Charlie and Allison were sweethearts......no other link between their families is appearing......

And I must pack it in for tonight, I think....a busy busy day tomorrow..... :D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 09 May 08 14:03 BST (UK): You're getting there Dee.........it's slowly coming together. :) :)

Good night :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Friday 09 May 08 22:38 BST (UK): Hi,
From the Ballarat Mining Accidents Register

REFORD, A. 00/00/ 1870. Killed. Fall of Earth.

From Unassisted Immigrants

REFORD, Alfred. aged 22. Sept. 1853 ."Esther Frances" F. 104 001

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 09 May 08 22:47 BST (UK): Continuing for the Reford family

Ellen Maud REFORD died aged 72 in 1938 at Melbourne
Father Alfred Lewis Reford mother Sarah Griffiths

Lewis Alfd REFORD aged 48 died in 1912 in Talbotville
Father = Reford Alfd & Mother = Sarah GRIFFITHS

Sarah Elizabeth EWART aged 39 died in 1909 at Fton
Father = Alfred Reford & Mother = Sarah GRIFFITHS
Ref = 5015

CHATTE LOUISA NORTON died 1940 aged 70 at W Brunswick Reg No 7165
Father Alfred RETFORD mother Sarah Unknown

Here's an additional bit of information on Alfred Reford who died in 1870 at Summerhill. He was killed by a fall of earth Ref = 1112

~~I cannot find a death for Charlotte Elizabeth Norton as yet,~~ found at reply 415

nor for the mother of the Reford Children Sarah Griffiths/Reford/Adam but still looking.

As yet no death for James Douglas Adam(1874) step-brother to the Reford children.

As per ProVic ( as Sue also found)

Alfred Reford arrived in 1853 on the "Esther Frances" from a Foreign Port..interesting

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 10 May 08 00:53 BST (UK): Hi All,
Located Alfred REFORD's Resting place and Lewis REFORD.

"Grant cemetery—Two standing headstones are visible: (1) Alfred Reford, December 1870, and Lewis
Reford, November 1912; and (2) Henry Harrison, March 1902, and Sarah Fox, 1890. Also visible are at
least 25 distinct grave mounds and a grave surrounded by the remains of a low post & rail fence."

http://www.heritage.vic.gov.au/pages/pdfs/gippslandminingdistrict.pdf

From a document entitiled
Victorian goldfields Project

Historic Gold Miming Sites in Gippsland Mining District. Item number 37

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 10 May 08 00:58 BST (UK): PS
Re. my last posting
Now that would be a fantastis photo!!

Fancy a little drive anyone??

There would be no trouble ocating the headstones. :o

sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 10 May 08 01:19 BST (UK): Hello there Sue

wonderfull work

nit of a drive for Moi but how knows someone might be in that area!!

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Saturday 10 May 08 01:27 BST (UK): I think I'd need a cut lunch and a compass for that drive Sue........well done on finding the details though. :D

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 10 May 08 02:18 BST (UK): Great find, Sue. :D :D

Unfortunately it is a long way off track on my trip on Thursday and Friday! ;D ;D

Be good if someone on Rootschat did live in that area and could help out though with a photo.....

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 10 May 08 04:43 BST (UK): ah the bain of genealogists everywhere
missspellings or translations (I should not be critical maybe they suffer dyslexia as bad as I do)

death

CHATTE LOUISA NORTON died 1940 aged 70 at W Brunswick Reg No 7165

Father Alfred RETFORD mother Sarah Unknown

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 10 May 08 06:31 BST (UK): Hi Jen and All,
good sleuthing Jenn.

Here they are buried.

Fawkner Crem/Cem
NORTON, Charlotte Louisa, 27/7/1940 aged 70. R C . Comp. R. Gv. 4271
With
NORTON, James. 26/9/1951. aged 84 Same deatails.

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 10 May 08 08:24 BST (UK): Hi,
Sarah Elizabeth Ewart [nee Reford] appears not to be interred at Frankston Cemetery.

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 10 May 08 10:19 BST (UK): From the information that Sue supplied re the death of James Norton in 1951 I have found the following information

James Norton died aged 84 in 1951 at Moonee Ponds reg no 11355
Father Peter Norton mother Ellen Carey

This may be his arrival
NORTON PETER 25 MAY 1859 MARCO POLO B 162 005

Peter Norton born Wicklow
married Ellen Carey born Limerick in 1868 reg no 3005

children born to Peter Norton and Ellen Carey all at Dargo

James 1869 reg no 15013
Died 1951 at Moonee Ponds reg no 11355

John 1870 reg no 22578
died 1950 at Dargo reg no 20593

Esther 1872 reg no 15576
died1962 reg no 9704 at Hawthorn

Patrick 1874 reg no 8319

Elizabeth 1875 reg no 1735

Catherine 1879 reg no 8486
died as Cummins 1936 at Wgul reg no 16306

Peter 1880 reg no 21883
Died 1968 at Cant reg no 21497

Michael 1881 reg no 22709
Died 1955 at Chel reg no 5021

Ellen 1883 reg no 8484
Died as Phelan in 1960 at Trar reg no 23692

Margaret 1885 reg no 9250

Peter Norton died aged 94 at Dargo in 1918 reg no 1157
Father James Norton mother Esther Farington

I have one death with parents Peter Norton and Ellen Carey but as yet no birth registrations
Bridget Margaret COLEMAN died 1958 aged 81 reg no 27716 at TRAR

Ellen Norton died aged 84 in 1930 at TGON reg no 15773
father Tomas Carey mother Ellen Bourke

regards JEnn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Saturday 10 May 08 23:28 BST (UK): Hi Dee and all

Good to see you are still going great guns on this topic.

I see reply 7 by spof lists the record for Charles if I had not looked at Armed Forces
I would have missed it.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,303798.0.html

Spof thank you so much for posting.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 10 May 08 23:41 BST (UK): Sandy,
All Australian WW1 service records have been digitised now, and are free to download at the National Archives of Australia website that Spof posted.

You need to enter the name surname first into the search engine.

It is a wonderful thing to be able to do....some records may be only a few pages; others are over a hundred pages.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Saturday 10 May 08 23:42 BST (UK): Oh good.

Might find some that died over here then.

Thanks for letting me know. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 11 May 08 01:07 BST (UK): Hi All,
Just for interest.
At Dargo Cemetery.

NORTON, Ann. d. 27/6/1962 aged 72
With
NORTON, John.d. 3/7/1960 aged 78

{I am not sure where this couple fits in. The dates are not right for the John NORTON death found by Jenn}

NORTON, Peter.d.26/3/1918 aged 94

If this is Peter, the husband of Ellen, there seems to be 20 yr. age difference between them or else there is some misprinting along the line somewhere.

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Sunday 11 May 08 03:00 BST (UK): Hi all,

I'm still following this amazing post.

Just trying to see if there is anyway I can help at all, however I don't think there is anything I can think of at the moment. You all seem to have it in hand. :)

I'm looking forward to seeing the photo of Allison Ewart, Nic said he would post.

Sue, this link may help you find the Grant Cemetery.
http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/resources05/05_1786.pdf

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 11 May 08 05:33 BST (UK): Hi
Went or a drive today to see Allison Ewart's house .
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 11 May 08 05:37 BST (UK): Hello there Sue

Was that a lovely mother's day drive for you, hope it was a nice outing.

Happy mothers Day to all

Now a charming little cottage..........you didn't continue onto Grant? ;)

regards Jenn

PS I did notice the age difference but that was a possibility I cannot find another death for Peter Norton and he is at the Dargo region on all the electorall rolls up to his death.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 11 May 08 05:45 BST (UK): Whoops!
Always comes out bigger than I meant.

This is 19 Finlayson Street Malvern today

This is where Allison Ewart was living in 1931 and 1936 and where Alfred Adam Ewart was in 1924 According to the Elctoral roll findings of dee earlier.

The houses in the street are all similar and the area has, over the last 20 years, become popular . The houses are on big blocks and are built from timber and stucco with, originally slate or tiled roof.

The photo gives a good impression of how it looked 60 or 70 years ago. Apart from some paint, it would be not much changed from then.

I wish the little number 19 on the gate post showed up a bit clearer.

Hope you like it Nick.

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 11 May 08 05:49 BST (UK): Hi Jenn,
No, Not today did I go further.
However, I have not quite removed the destination from my possible excursion list..

You never know. 8)

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 11 May 08 06:14 BST (UK): Quote
NORTON, John.d. 3/7/1960 aged 78

Sue re this death it is not showing on the Index for Victoria.

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 11 May 08 06:24 BST (UK): sue

I think there might be a bit of an error with the information on Lorraine's Burial site, no doubt the headstone could have been a bit hard to read
but John Norton died aged 78 in 1950 (his age is slightly out that's no unusual is it ;D)

Also I do note on the Dargo cemetery listings what may be the grave of SARAH ADAM and her husband ROBERT....need someone with the Edwardian Indexs to check it out though.

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 06:51 BST (UK): Lovely, Sue! Thanks for that.....what a delightful cottage Allison lived in..... :D :D

Jenn.....here's the deaths you asked for....but there are two confusing Roberts. I presume the second one is the one that is needed, but posted both just in case......

Sarah ADAM aged 76 died in 1910 at Dargo
Ref = 1249

Robt ADAM aged 68 died in 1908 at Benalla
Father = Robt Adam & Mother = Unknown UNKNOWN
Ref = 12567

Robt ADAM aged 80 died in 1909 at Ballt E
Father: Robt Adam & Mother = Agnes UNKNOWN
Ref = 254

......dee .....buzzing around like a bee in a bottle trying to get stuff done..... ;)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 11 May 08 06:55 BST (UK): Hi Jenn,
Yes. That is a more likely possibility.

http://www.maffra.net.au/heritage/bulletinnames.htm#A

Now, speaking of ROBERT ADAMS, this may be of interest.

See on the name list ROBERT ADAMS & JIM ADAMS [could be the son JAMES produced by ROBERT & SARAH in her second marriage]

As this is not any real line of our currents search, I have not pursued it.
the reference is to some written historical reference in the Maffra newsletter.

I will follow up if it has any value, but....
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 11 May 08 07:02 BST (UK): Interesting, neither of those Robert deaths match the burial at Dargo.
1901 aged 79.
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 07:14 BST (UK): Here's the 1901 Robert who died in Dargo.....

Robt Hume ADAM aged 80
Parents unknown
Ref = 13373

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 07:18 BST (UK): I’ve found an interesting little snippet of information about a Frederick A REFORD. I can’t connect him at the moment, and can’t see any mention of him in BMD indexes. But Reford is such an unusual name….. ??? :-\

Quoting from http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hdharris/Police.htm…… “Late of the police force, seeks another government position, 1854. Was made a supernumery cadet, but not given a uniform and asked to perform duties beneath him, so resigned. Was formerly in the 7th Regiment. VPRS 1189 Unit 241 File 54/5348”

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 11 May 08 07:22 BST (UK): Hello there BUSY DEE

Quote
Sarah ADAM aged 76 died in 1910 at Dargo
Ref = 1249

I take it no parents listed?

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 07:25 BST (UK): Oops Jenn! Told you I was like a bee in a bottle.....

Parents = John Griffiths and sarah UNKNOWN!

Sorry about that...... :-[

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 11 May 08 07:27 BST (UK): Hi Jenn and dee,
That Frederick could be the only other REFORD I have found coming to Australia.
REFORD, F. aged 29 arrived 1911 per Osterley B. 837 002
Sue
MODIFY
Oh, No. That does not sit with the dates in your snipet!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 07:31 BST (UK): Sue...the snippet just posted re Frederick was for 1854..... :D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 11 May 08 07:32 BST (UK): Sorry crossing lines everywhere.

S
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 07:38 BST (UK): No worries, Sue......I just forgot the parents on the death entry for Jenn! ;D ;D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 11 May 08 07:55 BST (UK): Sarah ADAM aged 76 died in 1910 at Dargo
Ref = 1249
John Griffiths and sarah UNKNOWN

So now One would have to say that it is more than likey the death of
Sarah Griffiths/ Reford/Adam

would you agree?

I know that nothing is matched to certificates but we are only working on the information we have to hand

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 08:01 BST (UK): I'd go along with you on that, Jenn.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 11 May 08 08:04 BST (UK): Thanks Dee

now about Frederick Reford 1853 I am wondering to myself is that Alfred? he arrived in 1853 from parts unkown mmmnn.

Was he called Fred for short hence the frederick oh I do waffle on a bit don't I 8)

Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 08:12 BST (UK): I found a bit more about Frederick.....there's a five page document about him seeking another government position in 1854.... :-\

Frederick A = Frederick Alfred maybe.....I wonder?

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 08:52 BST (UK): Look what I found...... :o :o

http://www.pictureaustralia.org/apps/pictureaustralia?action=PADisplay&mode=display&rs=resultset-164293&no=1

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 11 May 08 08:55 BST (UK): Dee, it just says picture unavailable.......... :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 08:57 BST (UK): Bother.....

It'll have to be via the long route then......

http://www.pictureaustralia.org/

Put Ewart into the search engine....John Peter Charles comes up in the State Library of South Australia...... :D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 11 May 08 09:00 BST (UK): Well done Dee.........what a find, he looks a really happy chappy........ ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 09:14 BST (UK): So now I have found a BISA entry......

John Peter Chas EWART
married 9th Oct 1852 in Adelaide SA to Harriet Louisa nee BOYD
parent = John
born Pimlico LND ENG

I'll see if I can see anything in BMD for South Australia......

....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 09:21 BST (UK): Sure enough.....here's his marriage......

John Peter Chas EWART aged 36 and single married Harriett Louisa BOYD aged 19 and single on 9th October 1852 at Holy Trinity Church, Adelaide.
No fathers given.
Ref = Ade 5/250

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 11 May 08 09:27 BST (UK): You've got the bit between your teeth now haven't you Dee..........there's just no stopping you :D :D

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 11 May 08 10:56 BST (UK): OK....after the Ewart/Boyd marriage in South Australia in 1852, the first child was born in Victoria in 1853.

There are three children whose births haven't turned up.....Mary Helen about 1855, John Charles Robertson about 1855, and William Turnbull about 1867.

Another search, and here's William Turnbull Ewart's birth to John Peter Charles Ewart and Harriet Boyd.....

William Turnbull EWART born in 1866 at PRAHRAN
Ref = 23408

But the other two are proving very elusive..... :-\

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 12 May 08 04:41 BST (UK): Harking back to the NORTON Family

I posted these deaths that seemed to match with the given information

Peter Norton died aged 94 at Dargo in 1918 reg no 1157
Father James Norton mother Esther Farington

(making his birth about 1824)

Ellen Norton died aged 84 in 1930 at TGON reg no 15773
father Tomas Carey mother Ellen Bourke

(Making her birth about 1846)

Today I downloaded the Marriage certificate .

Married 28th September 1868 at Dargo Flat Gippsland

Peter Norton Bachelor born Co. Wicklow Ireland a Farmer aged 25 (hard to read) present address Dargo Flat Gippsland Usual address Dargo Flat Gippsland
Father James Norton a Farmer mother Esther Farrington

Ellen Carey Spinster born Co Limerick Ireland a Private Lady aged 22 present address Crooked River usual address Crooked Mine
Father James Carey a Farmer mother Bridget Burke? Or Bustle?

married by License according to the Catholic rite witness were Michael Cummins and Margaret Hurley

So the death of Ellen Norton has the age right but wrong parents slightly and the death of Peter Norton parents are right but the age is out by 20 years.

Kind regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 12 May 08 04:55 BST (UK): Now to the Reford family

we have these deaths to hand

Sarah ADAM aged 76 died in 1910 at DargoRef = 1249
Parents = John Griffiths and Sarah UNKNOWN!

making her birth about 1834

Alfred REFORD died aged 40 1870 born Ireland reg no 9166
Father Louis mother Ellen U

making his birth about 1830

Now I downloaded the marriage certificate today

August 18th 1861 at Growlers Creek Alfred Reford Bachelor born South Wales??? A Miner aged 30 present address Growlers Creek usual address Maryborough father Lewis Reford a Land Agent mother Ellen Johnson

Sarah Griffiths spinster born Belfast Ireland aged 26 present residence Growlers Creek usual residence St. Kilda father John Griffiths A Builder(possibly very hard to read) and Mother Sarah Morris
To hard to make out the witness names but one was a James B…ch married to the rites of the Wesleyan Church bu Robert L Bunn Wesleyan Minister

Now this is odd cause the place of births seem to be reversed by other information we have on hand. Is that possible?

Regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Monday 12 May 08 08:15 BST (UK): "NORTON, Peter.d.26/3/1918 aged 94

If this is Peter, the husband of Ellen, there seems to be 20 yr. age difference between them or else there is some misprinting along the line somewhere."
Sue

"So the death of Ellen Norton has the age right but wrong parents slightly and the death of Peter Norton parents are right but the age is out by 20 years."

Hi Jenn, I queried that age difference back there and I am glad it is obviously an error. It would have been a biggish age difference and it was confusing!!
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Monday 12 May 08 08:24 BST (UK): Hi Jenn,
these downloads are a lovely act of generosity on your part and will advance things no doubt.

Now, how can we sort out Alfred's birth place once and for all?

It does appear to be a matter of the wrong info being allocated to the wrong partner. Or is it?
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 12 May 08 08:55 BST (UK): Quote from: sparrett on Monday 12 May 08 08:15 BST (UK)

"NORTON, Peter.d.26/3/1918 aged 94

If this is Peter, the husband of Ellen, there seems to be 20 yr. age difference between them or else there is some misprinting along the line somewhere."
Sue

"So the death of Ellen Norton has the age right but wrong parents slightly and the death of Peter Norton parents are right but the age is out by 20 years."

Hi Jenn, I queried that age difference back there and I am glad it is obviously an error. It would have been a biggish age difference and it was confusing!!
Sue

Yes Sue the age difference bothered me also hence my curiousity getting the better of me, I think it is possible that he might have been 74 when he died, could be a mistranslation on the Death Index's

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Monday 12 May 08 08:58 BST (UK): Does anyone know if their is a website for progress reports on the Gallipoli to London run that Nick Langleys brother is involved in.
Dell Brown, Alfred Parrs relation is interested to know when it arrives in London.
Also can anyone tell me if Alfred Parr is listed on the Australian War memorial or any other memorials in Australia, this is something else Dell is interested in.
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 12 May 08 09:34 BST (UK): Quote
Counterparts in France plan to honour the group in a ceremony at the Arc de Triumphe with the run to end at Hyde Park in London on May 18.

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Monday 12 May 08 09:44 BST (UK): Here you are Jan
http://www.dva.gov.au/OAWG/remembering_war_dead/search_CWGC.htm

Sue

Modified. Wrong Man.!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 12 May 08 10:04 BST (UK): This is the link Dell needs, Ausjan.....

http://www.awm.gov.au/roh/person.asp?p=145-42858

and I will be visiting the Australian War Memorial in Canberra on my trip to Sydney, so I'll try to take a photograph. It might take me a while to be able to post it on here though....won't have access to a computer much of the time......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: ausjan on Monday 12 May 08 13:11 BST (UK): Thanks Dee have sent info onto Dell
Jan
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 13 May 08 06:12 BST (UK): Another snippet for the Forster file........

Alfred John Forster was buried at the Melbourne General Cemetery.
C of E section UU420

His inscription reads.....

In loving memory of
Alfred John Forster
died 3rd April 1938, aged 74 years
and his beloved wife
Mary Jane Forster
died 24th March 1961, aged 92 years.

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 13 May 08 06:16 BST (UK): And a little more for the Ewart file.....

Inscription from the stone at the St Kilda cemetery.....

John P. C. Ewart 19th June 1872 aged 57 years.
G. A. Ewart 12th October 1862 aged 9 months
E. W. Ewart died 7th February 1873 aged 7 weeks
also our mother Harriett L. Ewart, wife of above, 6th April 1920 aged 86 years.

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Tuesday 13 May 08 07:25 BST (UK): Quote from: tropicalj on Sunday 11 May 08 08:04 BST (UK)

now about Frederick Reford 1853 I am wondering to myself is that Alfred? he arrived in 1853 from parts unkown mmmnn.

The Alfred Reford from parts unknown...sailed from New York, United States of America. Does this help Jenn....
Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 13 May 08 07:26 BST (UK): Hi dee,
Nice to know final places.
I wonder if Allison [d.1981 Prahran] is at Springvale.
{Which is beginning to look as if it has decided to NEVER come back on the air!! >:( }

Might email them.

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Tuesday 13 May 08 07:36 BST (UK): Sue,

I have been thinking the same thing re: Springvale. They say it should be up and running the end of August,2008.

Allison Ewart died 28/3/1981, found this on the Probate Index, so that means she left a Will.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 13 May 08 08:19 BST (UK): Quote from: sarra on Tuesday 13 May 08 07:25 BST (UK)
Quote from: tropicalj on Sunday 11 May 08 08:04 BST (UK)

now about Frederick Reford 1853 I am wondering to myself is that Alfred? he arrived in 1853 from parts unkown mmmnn.

The Alfred Reford from parts unknown...sailed from New York, United States of America. Does this help Jenn....
Sarra

Well done Sarra

Now where did you find this little snippet from.

He (and maybe his family ) may have gone to America first and then on to Australia seeking fame and fortune ???

Also wouldn't it be nice to see Alison Headstone, it might have a nice sentiment like "faithfull to the memory of her beloved Charles"
regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 13 May 08 08:23 BST (UK): I suspect Nick would be able to help with where Allison was buried when he is able to come on the thread........

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Abiam2 on Tuesday 13 May 08 11:53 BST (UK): Dee,

Have a good trip, I should think you need a rest! Having just read this thread,

Abiam
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 13 May 08 13:26 BST (UK): Thanks, Abiam. :D

I shall catch up with the thread whenever I get an opportunity, folks......keep up the good work.....it is amazing how more little bits and pieces keep appearing out of the woodwork.

.....dee 8)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 13 May 08 18:27 BST (UK): Hi Dee :)

Just to say a hugh thank you for all the help you have/are giving me about the
Australians buried in Northamptonshire to expand my project.

Have a safe time and enjoy your holiday . :) :) :)

Especially the time with Twiglet aka Alice. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Wednesday 14 May 08 07:26 BST (UK): Jenn,

I found that little snippet from the manifest for the Esther Frances.

Just looking at it again it appears that Alfred Reford was not travelling with any family members, also he was born in Ireland. This ties in with the information from the Death Index (1870 = 9166), where it gives his birth place as Ireland.

Yes I agree it would be lovely to see a pic of Allison's Headstone.
Sorry I'm not using the QUOTE feature, can't get the hang of it. :( ^(*)

Dee,
Hope you have a lovely holiday.

Sarra

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Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 14 May 08 07:59 BST (UK): Hi Sarra and All,
Yes, Allison's did go to Springvale.

She was cremated there on 1st April 1981.

The entry is with one L in Allison. Allison Griffith Ewart.

Her remains were collected by Mr J. R. Ewart.

The Funeral Director's details were not available to me.

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 15 May 08 17:34 BST (UK): Hi all, you may remember way back on this posting i said i had contacted the local loughborough paper about Alfred parr - well today it was in the paper!!

I will contact them and tell them you have traced the relatives but wouldn't it be amazing if anyone else turned up!!
Diddy (I have removed my name from paper)
I am trying to attach but the file is 504 KB not 500!!!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 15 May 08 17:37 BST (UK): Hi Diddy

Reduce the size of your file in your image software to maybe 75% then should come through okay.

Does Nick know as he P.M. me yesterday and I referred him to you.

Congratulations. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 15 May 08 17:54 BST (UK): Hi sorry about that think this will work. Thanks seahall - did it different way!. No not heard from nick yet.

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Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 15 May 08 17:56 BST (UK): WOW - not sure about that - bit big. think i need a lesson in attachments folks. but still legible if you change your zoom!!

Problem arose beacause i scanned it in to my computer and had to change file type.

Diddy :o
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 15 May 08 17:59 BST (UK): How about this for size Diddy.

I hope all the relatives will get some one connected to the Parr's to get in touch
with them.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 15 May 08 18:12 BST (UK): have to let me know how you did that!! Thanks
Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 15 May 08 19:08 BST (UK): Hi diddy

I thought I explained it okay on reply 476 . :(

Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough.

Sandy

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Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Thursday 15 May 08 23:51 BST (UK): Hi Diddy,
that is so exciting to see the artiicle in print. I am hovering round this thread today with great optimism that someone with some knowledge will respond.
Well done!

[For picture resizing, if it is all a bit hard, go to the very end of the link that the mod posted and use the 'shrink pictures' link facility.]

It is v. straightforward and safe.
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Friday 16 May 08 00:57 BST (UK): Diddy,

That's great to see the story in print.

Now we just have to wait and see if anyone knows of Alfred Parr's family.

Sue,
Thanks for posting the information regarding Allison's resting place.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 16 May 08 07:36 BST (UK): Please just be aware everyone that the paper is only weekly but someone might contact the echo directly....

Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Friday 16 May 08 09:02 BST (UK): Oh Dear,
Well, I'd better stop hovering in that case ;D

Yes, Sarra. I always feel it completes things in a history if you can just pop in that last place.
Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 16 May 08 17:53 BST (UK): ok folks - hold your breathe - the Echo has emailed me with the followingi nfo:

A Norman Brown from Mansfield (Notts area) has contacted them . Alfred parr was his mothers stepbrother. her name was Ruth newbon. I have his phone number.

Also a Derek brown rang but the chap dealing with it didn't speak to him. I also have his number.

Should i just contact them and point them towards Rootschat?

Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Friday 16 May 08 17:56 BST (UK): Most are sleeping. :)

Would be a brilliant idea Diddy.

By doing both they may wish to join in the story or give you information
that you can list here.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 16 May 08 18:33 BST (UK): ok we are sorted!!

Just had a chat with Derek brown - he has all Alfreds papers and things/will/records etc. Nick rang him yesterday and Alfreds crosses are on the way to England to Derek. The other - Norman Brown is Dereks brother.

Derek is researching the family history himself so i have directed him over here.

Diddy.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Friday 16 May 08 18:37 BST (UK): Well that will please everyone here. ;D

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: spof on Friday 16 May 08 20:39 BST (UK): Quote from: seahall on Friday 16 May 08 18:37 BST (UK)
Well that will please everyone here. ;D

Sandy

Can I nominate that for Understatement of the Year? ;)

Glen
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Friday 16 May 08 20:51 BST (UK): If it makes you feel good.

Hopefully Nick might post again diddy.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 16 May 08 20:54 BST (UK): Missed another call from Derek whilst taking choir practice! husband says he has info on Alfreds twin brothers Archibald & John?
Will have to catch him tomorrow evening as i'm out all day

Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 17 May 08 01:12 BST (UK): Great news - and thanks diddy ;D. And excellent that he has been doing his own research into his family so has a genuine interest.

He must have been surprised that people in Australia have been looking for him!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Saturday 17 May 08 01:19 BST (UK): Diddy,

Just great we did not have to wait very long after all.....just one sleep ;D.

Now we will be able to get the story from the other side.

I'm sure it going to be very interesting.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 17 May 08 05:41 BST (UK): Hi folks,

Only have a few minutes computer time on a borrowed computer. I'm now in Canberra and photographing the Roll of Honour with Alfred and Charlie's names is high on my list of "must dos".

Wow.....many thanks Diddy and everyone ......great to quickly catch up on what has been happening.

Sorry I have no time to write more.....

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 17 May 08 05:53 BST (UK): Hello there Deee

hope you are enjoying yourself.

Doesn't it bring a tear to the eye looking at that great wall full of names.

say hello to my great uncle Willam Arthur Shoebridge please.

kind regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Saturday 17 May 08 17:04 BST (UK): Hi Dee

So good to see you have arrived safely not much further till you get your cuddles.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 18 May 08 07:17 BST (UK): Good to know you arrived safely Dee.........not long now ;D ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Sunday 18 May 08 07:52 BST (UK): Dee,

Did you get time to look inside the War Memorial (I think that's what it's called)?.

It really takes you back in time.

Enjoy your holiday.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 18 May 08 10:52 BST (UK): Another flying visit, folks.....War Memorial visit will probably be on Tuesday......

Sorry I can't stay longer.......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 18 May 08 13:13 BST (UK): Take plenty tissues with you Dee, you'll need them :'(
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Sunday 18 May 08 19:35 BST (UK): Just had another chat with Derek. he is going to send me a picture of Alfred Parrs grave and wants me to put it on here.
Also he has benn looking at the info he has on Archibald and John the twins.

he knows they were in the Durham light Infantry and were then transfered to the labour corps as they were not fit to fight. they were then given a new regiment number. Derek knows that Archibald sadly ended his days in carlton heyes mental Hospital and died there in 1964. The family used to visit him.
john victor seems to have disappered.

dreek also told me about Mabel Barber who was on the census with Elizabeth and Charles.

Charles married 3 times:
1. sarah Jane ? and had children
2. Sarah jane Barber and had mabel. After 1 year Sarah died and Charles was left with the infant.
3. Elizabeth.

Alfred Parrs medal is in the Carillion Memorial in loughborough, just inside the door. Derek had visited previously wanting to leave a picture but is now hoping with the renewed interest in Loughborough that this will be possible.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Sunday 18 May 08 20:43 BST (UK): Hi Diddy

That is great.

When I visited the Carillion and asked about the Parrs and Newbons they said there
was no information about them whatsoever there. :(

Certainly they do not seem to know Alfred's medal was there.

It is one of the best museum in such a small place I have ever seen though.

Obviously as Derek knows maybe he could inform them before he visits again to

ask the staff (all volunteers) to inform others so they can see it also.

I did buy a book though that noted all the war dead on the panels it was only £1.

Look forward to seeing the picture.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: spof on Sunday 18 May 08 20:55 BST (UK): Hi Diddy

Would these be the Medal Cards for Archibald and John?

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Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 19 May 08 08:47 BST (UK): yes thats right. Derek said they had consecutive numbers. he has found a marriage ref for a john V. in liverpool and has sent fir it but doesn't know if its his John.

Diddy.

ps. Derek is happy for me to pass on all info he has. he has greatly enjoyed reading it all and has shown his brother Norman too.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 19 May 08 09:14 BST (UK): Hi, here is the picture of Alfreds grave:
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 19 May 08 15:00 BST (UK): More photos from derrick :

The twins/ Alfreds commendation from the King + original cross from his grave
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 19 May 08 15:01 BST (UK): Maybe someone could the twins picture......

Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 19 May 08 15:05 BST (UK): sorry that should read restore. i have contacted Derrick to see if he wants to put it on the restorers page.

Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 20 May 08 05:57 BST (UK): Hi folks.

Spent quite some time at the Australian War Memorial today and managed to photograph Charles Forster's and Alfred Parr's names on the Roll of Honour. I tried to place red poppies alongside both of their names but unfortunately Alfred's name was way to high to be reached without a ladder. :'( :'(

Hopefully when I am in Sydney over the next few days, I'll be able to post the pictures.

I also have some information about the War Memorial trying to collect photogrpahs of all those on the Roll of Honour.

Sandy, will be in contact with you as soon as possible.

Of to Sydney tomorrow......

......dee
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Post by: seahall on Tuesday 20 May 08 06:50 BST (UK): Hi Dee

You must have sent your vibes over the internet because as you were posting I
suddenly woke up. ;D

Not like me as I like my beauty sleep.

It is good to know you had such a moving time at the War Memorial.

Isn't it brilliant of Derek to put his personal priceless photographs on for all to
see re: Alfred.

I am going back to get a brass rubbing of the plaque I have located that no one is
aware of still existing today to 2 children killed by a Zepplin bomb in WW1.

Already have a brilliant photograph yet the rubbing will be a replica in size.

Deeply moved by the help given by so many people and yourself here.

I shouldn't worry about getting in touch at the moment just have a safe journey .

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: kesannah on Tuesday 20 May 08 19:58 BST (UK): Hello everyone, I have only read this thread today. You are amazing and I am sure that the families really appreciate your efforts.

DEE Have a couple of extra cuddles for me and enjoy all of yours.

Kesannah.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: spof on Tuesday 20 May 08 22:50 BST (UK): Hi Diddy

Quote from: diddymiller on Monday 19 May 08 08:47 BST (UK)
yes thats right. Derek said they had consecutive numbers. he has found a marriage ref for a john V. in liverpool and has sent fir it but doesn't know if its his John.

Diddy.

ps. Derek is happy for me to pass on all info he has. he has greatly enjoyed reading it all and has shown his brother Norman too.

Thanks for the confirmation about the records. The full index cards are below but from my limited knowledge, they did not qualify for the 14 or 15 Star which means they did not go into theatre until at least 1 Jan 1916. Your best bet is to post on the WW1 board.

Anyway, here are the MICS
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: triciaboxy on Wednesday 21 May 08 18:42 BST (UK): Hi - I've just discovered this thread, but have not actually read all of the 35 pages! yet! I have only read the first 5 pages, and page 35. So I don't know if you have found any relations of Charlie yet.

First of all, I am related to Charlie Alfred Porter Forster and had been trying to contact Kelly Ryan for a couple of weeks to ask for Nick Lynch's contact details. She contacted me a couple of days ago to say she'd been overseas and gave me Nick's email address. I emailed him straight away - however, I have not yet heard from him. I have been doing the Forster family tree and Charlie is my mother's cousin. One of my cousins in Victoria sent me the article from the Herald-Sun - I received it about the 1st May and straight away contacted the newspaper (I am in Perth) and left a message for Kelly.

Thanks for opening this thread, I'll have to read it tomorrow, it's now after 1am here. I just wanted to let you know there ARE family out here.

Cheers Tricia
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Thursday 22 May 08 01:29 BST (UK): Hi Tricia,
Let me be the first to say welcome to Rootschat.

I'm sure when the others see your post they will be delighted to have you on board.

Dee and the others have done a lot of work in tracing the Forster, Ewart, Parr's and others. Dee is on holidays at the moment, however she does look in when she has access to a computer.

When you have read the other thirty pages of this thread you will understand the interest this Anzac Puzzle has created here in Australia and overseas.

So don't go away people will want to hear about the Forster family tree you have.

Best wishes
Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: triciaboxy on Thursday 22 May 08 02:10 BST (UK): :) Thanks Sarra. Good morning! I have had a quick read of some of the posts, and you've all done a great job researching Charlie and family. I'm really glad I've found this thread - I now know what's happening with his photo and papers. The upgrades of the photo are terrific too. I'd be happy to help in any way I can. Cheers Tricia
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: triciaboxy on Thursday 22 May 08 02:35 BST (UK): I would like to add that Charlie's cousin Wally (Walter Horace Forster), was also killed in WW1 on 17 May 1917 at Bullecourt, aged 20. His name is on the Memorial at Villers-Bretonneux. He had no known grave. He was my uncle, the son of Walter and Alexandrina Forster of Mordialloc Victoria, and his mother wore black for the rest of her life.
Tricia
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 22 May 08 05:33 BST (UK): Hello there Tricia

and welcome to Roots Chat I hope you find us a friendly and helpfull lot.

Charley's story has touched all in so many ways and it has been so very rewarding to contribute albeit in a small way to this thread.

kind regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 22 May 08 05:50 BST (UK): Hi Tricia.

Good to have you on board. Nick seems to lead a very very busy life, but I am sure he'll reply to you when he gets a chance.

Sorry I didn't know about Charlie's cousin Walter Horace Forster when I visited the War Memorial on Tuesay, as I would have tried to place a red poppy by his name on the Roll of Honour also.

......dee ....who has access to a laptop for a few days.......in between cuddling her baby grandaughter....... :D
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Post by: sparrett on Thursday 22 May 08 05:51 BST (UK): Hi There Tricia,
Welcome.

That is a very sad story about your uncle Walter.
I had to look it up on the Nat. Archives Records. The letter from his mother to the AIF is hard to read, especially when they reply that they are searching for his grave.

This whole story has been amazing and it will be wonderful to have the extra information that you can offer.

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 22 May 08 06:04 BST (UK): It may be that we can help the Australian War Memorial out with a quest they are undertaking at the moment. The original intention of Charles Bean, the founder of the War Memorial, was to have a photograph of each person on the Roll of Honour alongside their name. This proved impractical so was dropped.

However, now War Memorial is endeavouring to collect a photograph of every person on the Roll of Honour so that they can carry out Charles Bean's wish with the help of modern technology, and palce a photograph on each person's record on the On Line Roll of Honour. Neither Charles Forster of Alfred , nor Walter Forster, have photographs included, so perhaps Nick, Dell and Tricia may be prepared to contribute to this excellent project with photographs of the three brave men in question.

I have the details.

.......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: triciaboxy on Thursday 22 May 08 06:33 BST (UK): I'd be happy to put Wally's photo on the Australian War Memorial site - I didn't realise they were doing that now. Thanks Dee. His name is on the Mordialloc
War Memorial in the Main Street - spelt wrong (Foster) but I asked the Council if they could do something about it as they are currently renovating the memorial and surrounds. Just hoping it can be done.

We visited the Australian War Memorial last year, and took photos of Wally's name on the Memorial Wall. I've just had a look for it on the computer, but must be hidden somewhere. I'm attaching a photo of Wally and maybe one of the kind people at Restoration might be able to make it even better.

Thanks in anticipation.
Cheers Tricia
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sparrett on Thursday 22 May 08 06:57 BST (UK): Hi Tricia.

The picture is beautiful.

http://www.awm.gov.au/find/

Put his name in. He is there.

Sue
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 22 May 08 07:09 BST (UK): Tricia,

Thanks for letting us see Walter Horace Forster. :D

If you start a thread on the Photograph restoration board, and mention that the photograph is connected with the Anzac puzzle thread, I am sure some of the restorers will be pleased to help. It helps them if the photograph is scanned at at least 300 megapixels, and you are permitted to post larger files on that board than on this board.

Would you like me to PM you the details for contacting the War Memorial in regards to the photographs?

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 22 May 08 08:07 BST (UK): Hi Dee and all and a special welcome to Tricia. :)

Dee thanks for P.M. yesterday which contained wonderful news for me, it was
lovely to here that Twiglet was at last getting lots of cuddles from Granny.

What a moving tribute it would be if they could find as many men's photographs on
the R.O.H. in other Rootschatters treasured belongings too.

I don't think I will find any cuttings here from my Northampton Independent index for the list of men buried in the Cemetery from Australia but I will certainly look.

It would seem though as they died overseas yet where brought here to the War
Hospital no one from home would have put a tribute to them in.

Keep up all the good work everyone it is still intriguing re-reading all you have achieved.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Lones on Thursday 22 May 08 09:24 BST (UK): Hi Tricia

Do you have a bigger scan of Wlater? This one is too small for renovating and it looks lopsided, his head looks small compared to his legs....... :-\ Could just be me.

If you can post a larger pic on the Photo restoration board, or PM me and I can give you my email address and you can send me a larger one. I would love to restore Walter, it's the least I can do for someone who gave his life for other peoples freedom.

I am going away this weekend, but could do it early next week. Let me know, or post on the photo board

Kind regards

Lones :D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: triciaboxy on Thursday 22 May 08 10:21 BST (UK): HI Lones

Thanks very much for the offer. I'll have to find the actual photo again and take another one - won't be long. Next week is great, I'm just glad someone will try to fix it for me. The photo is in one of those old opaque plastic frames, and I can't take it out. I'll PM you and send it direct to you, if you don't mind, then you can tell me if it's suitable or I can try again.
Cheers Tricia
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 22 May 08 16:06 BST (UK): Hi everyone, i have just put the Parr twins photo on the restoration thread, with permission. hoping they can clear it up.

There is another big piece in the Loughborough Echo today but i am a bit annoyed that they have attributed sayings about the story to myself when the reporter has clearer taken it off the Thread!! i will be emailing him.

Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 22 May 08 18:55 BST (UK): hi, the Echo have apologised about attributing story but they have made a nice job of it anyway!!

Dell has sent this photo of the bayonet training gym class 1917 at Aldershot. the names on hte back are faded - Alfred sent it to his mum - dell thinks he is the front far left. Also Charles may be on it? Dell has it from his brother Keith.

Also restorers need the twins photo in a higher resolution so Dell and i will have to sort that.(I have the capabilities)!! ;D

Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Friday 23 May 08 00:39 BST (UK): Hi All,

I see you are all working away as usual. I'm really amazed all the information that is still been contributed.

Dee,
I didn't think you would be kept away from a computer for very long. Glad you are having cuddles with your grandchild, what would we do without them.

Tricia,
I know Mordialloc quite well, I have a daughter who lives close by. I will have to stop and look at the Memorial in the Main Street, next time I am down that way.
Thanks for sharing the picture with us.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 23 May 08 06:00 BST (UK): More brilliant work, folks! :D :D

Diddy, are the Loughborough Echo articles online? If so, could you post a link? But if not, would you be able to scan them and email a copy to those of us who would like to read them? Hope I'm not asking too much...... :-\

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 23 May 08 08:02 BST (UK): Dee - already in hand. Bob and i have been conversing about putting the Echo links on the Rootschat online thing. need per,mssion from the Echo for that so awaiting reply.

Loughborough Echo do have an online thing but the 'Looking back' section does not have anything in it - i checked for Bob yesterday.

Was already thinking of getting 2nd article scanned but have been at work/out last night/ & also have to go in today. I am away sat - late mon but i will at some stage get there!!! it was a good article (apart from attributing everything to me!) and there was even a hint on the cover leading to the article. it mat have to be scanned in 2 parts.

Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 23 May 08 08:06 BST (UK): Thanks Diddy.....that's great..... :D

I hope Nick Lynch is reading the latest.......

.......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 23 May 08 10:14 BST (UK): I do hope you get permission Diddy, I'd love to read the article.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 23 May 08 13:08 BST (UK): I now have the photos I took at the War Memorial on my son's computer.

Here are the ones from the Roll of Honour for Alfred Parr and Charles Forster. I am so sorry I couldn't reach to place a red poppy by Alfred's name. I'd have needed a ladder with quite a few steps. I have no idea how people have managed to place poppies by the higher names.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 23 May 08 13:09 BST (UK): And here is a photo taken looking along the WW1 Roll of Honour.....
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 23 May 08 13:11 BST (UK): and one looking across at the cloisters containing the WW1 Roll of Honour.......
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 23 May 08 13:15 BST (UK): and a picture of one of the windows in the Hall of Memory, where the tomb of the Unknown Soldier is, and where the Last Post was played and I stood and remembered Charlie and Alfred and all their comrades.......
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 23 May 08 13:49 BST (UK): I can imagine it would be a very moving time for you Dee.

The whole place has such atmosphere.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Saturday 24 May 08 02:05 BST (UK): Dee,

Lovely to see the photos you took at the War Memorial.

Diddy,
Look forward to seeing the article in the Echo, if they give you permission.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Polldoll on Saturday 24 May 08 02:39 BST (UK): What a fabulous story ... one to rival the Are you sitting comfortably thread on the Lancashire board for shear dedication ! I am a restorer from the Photo Board and would be happy to offer my services, as Lones has ,to tidy fix, restore any photos ..I am happy to have a scan of up to 10 mbs sent to my email address to ensure a better quality pic as the ceiling on the file size on RC of 500kbs does not always allow us to produce the best quality restore.
Polly ;).
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 24 May 08 04:10 BST (UK): Quote from: Tephra on Friday 23 May 08 13:49 BST (UK)

I can imagine it would be a very moving time for you Dee.

The whole place has such atmosphere.

Barbara

Oh Barbara, that is very true, all three times I have been able to get there I have not been able to stop the tears, it it just so compelling... is that the word. The atmosphere is just overwhelming.

It makes you stop and think and take stock of all those men and women too who gave their lives so that we Australians live in freedom and comfort in the greatest country on earth ( in my humble opinion).

regards Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Saturday 24 May 08 08:35 BST (UK): hi everyone,
The article will be coming....

I don't have the original photobut will contact dell when i return from a short break....

Just quickly checking my emails before i leave , its also hubbys birthday so we need to open presents before we go....

I'm gone....

Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Saturday 24 May 08 14:14 BST (UK): Happy Birthday Diddy's OH............ ;D ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Kooka on Sunday 25 May 08 10:57 BST (UK): Hi all. I haven't posted for a while but I still have been reading the thread with much interest. My family has not been able to organise a time to catch up with Nick Lynch yet.
Dee, thank you so much for placing the poppy next to Uncle Charlie's name. That was really thoughtful. SBS tv station have been in contact again and are still looking at doing a documentary on this amazing story. It may not be until next year though. Very excited to hear that another relative of Uncle Charlies has posted on the thread. I am looking forward to contacting Tricia. Great work everyone. Anne.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 25 May 08 12:35 BST (UK): Good to hear from you again, Anne. :D
Placing a poppy by your Uncle Charlie's name was a priority of my visit. I was just sad that Alfred Parr's name was up too high.

Hope the documentary does eventuate ......there'll be a lot of Rootschatters wanting to see it if it does.......

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 25 May 08 13:39 BST (UK): Me for one, I can't wait :) :)

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Deb D on Monday 26 May 08 06:16 BST (UK): Have been reading this with fascination, and much admiration for the many people who have gone above and beyond the call, to research the story!

Would love to get the link to the Australian War Memorial request for photographs of those listed on the Rolls of Honour (noticed it earlier, but can't find it, now ::); - hubby's cousin is there, having been the first officer (albeit "acting" captain) killed in Vietnam. It may be, however, that they already have his photo, since a copy of it exists in the National Archives. :-\

Again, well done, all you rootsdetectives! I've just realised how many hours it's taken me to read this all the way through LOL
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Wednesday 28 May 08 12:59 BST (UK): hi, could not get this on yesterday - hope this works..
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Wednesday 28 May 08 13:37 BST (UK): Thanks for that Diddy, an interesting article, hopefully somebody will respond.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 28 May 08 13:46 BST (UK): Many thanks, Diddymiller.........great to see the article. It will be interesting to see if anyone else responds........

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 29 May 08 00:41 BST (UK): Thanks very much for posting it diddy ;D. I guess we just wait and hope ...
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 29 May 08 16:44 BST (UK): must apologise once again - posted news about this photo on page 36 and then didn't post photo - no one noticed!!! ::)

"Dell has sent this photo of the bayonet training gym class 1917 at Aldershot. the names on hte back are faded - Alfred sent it to his mum - dell thinks he is the front far left. Also Charles may be on it? Dell has it from his brother Keith."
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Thursday 29 May 08 16:46 BST (UK): Bayonet training_
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 29 May 08 23:42 BST (UK): ooohh, the one with the big muscles ;)
Thanks again Dolly. Great photo!

Am I imagining it, or is there a resemblance between the chap thought to be Alfred, and the chap in the back row second from left. ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 30 May 08 02:52 BST (UK): I don't think you are imagining it Ruskie........there does seem to be a resemblance, I wonder if somebody could put them side by side for a comparison.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Friday 30 May 08 07:41 BST (UK): Diddy,

Thanks for posting that article, lovely to read it, also the picture of the Bayonet training group.

I just had a look at Alfred's service record on the NAA site.

It says he was at BF training at Aldershot from 3/9/1917 - 28/9/1917.

Ruskie & Barbara, I agree those two you mention do look very similar, facial features and muscles.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 30 May 08 07:54 BST (UK): I was looking more at the face than the muscles....... ;D ;D ;D But now you mention it Sarra ;) ;)

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Friday 30 May 08 09:39 BST (UK): Ok - another big thrill - here is the RESTORED photo of the twins:
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 30 May 08 09:49 BST (UK): What a wonderful restore Diddymiller.........just lovely.

I wonder how they got the twins to stay still long enough to have the pic taken??

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 30 May 08 10:04 BST (UK): Fantasic transformation! Not a happy trio though ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Sunday 01 June 08 13:05 BST (UK): To everyone concerned: take a bow :)

>> RootsChat in the Public Eye: (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/rc-media.php) Are you a relative of Alfred Parr ? / May 2008 << (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/rc-media.php#anzacpuzzle)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Sunday 01 June 08 13:27 BST (UK): Well done everyone........ You've done yourselves proud.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 01 June 08 13:35 BST (UK): It has been the most interesting journey.....and so glad it has all worked out so well......

I have so enjoyed my participation, and the friendly co-operation and great team work of the Rootschatters who have taken part.

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Monday 02 June 08 01:27 BST (UK): It has certainly been a great story to follow.

So many people contributing and joining in.

The RC Restoration Group did a great job on the photos.

Hoping there is another chapter to come.

Sarra :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 02 June 08 03:48 BST (UK): Words are never enough sometimes, that photo restoration is just magical, the twins even look so alike, congratualtions to all concerned

Dee.. you yourself are way too modest your persistance to this thread has paid huge dividends for the families concerned,

I know it is hard to single out just one person when so many did so much but

WELL DONE DEE YOU ARE A THE BEST

kind regards and best wishes to all Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 02 June 08 17:49 BST (UK): Hi everyone.
Dell, on behalf of himself and his brother Keith would like to say a really BIG thank You to everyone who has helped out with bringing his family history to the Nations / Worlds!! attention!!
The picture restorations (I have put thanks on there too) have been particulaly gratefully received and moving.

Thank You all.
Diddy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 02 June 08 23:29 BST (UK): Ruskie threw down the challenge.....I just got the ball rolling, Jenn. :D

It was the great team work and co-operation that led to our wonderful success for Nick, Kooka, and Dell.

Hopefully we can help others in similar fashion ......Rootschatters are the best!

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 03 June 08 00:45 BST (UK): This has been a really wonderful thread, thanks to all of you who worked so hard for this great result.

I honestly thought when I started this on Anzac Day, that it would just be a bit of a challenge for rootschatters on a public holiday.

I couldn't have imagined what an outcome it'd bring.

Great isn't it?
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 04 June 08 09:10 BST (UK): Hi Dee

I hope you have arrived safely home now. :)

Thank you for the amazing post card which arrived yesterday of the
War Memorial I will always treasure it. :)

Take care

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Hollyd on Sunday 08 June 08 23:22 BST (UK): Hi All,
Just had to add my congratulations to all of you - found this puzzle this morning and it's now 11.18pm and I've just finished, with breaks in between!!! It's fascinating and just shows how helpful Rootschatters can be. I also had help a while ago from Jenn and others.
Regards
Hollyd
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: diddymiller on Monday 07 July 08 13:37 BST (UK): Hi everyone - just when you thought it was all over...
this weeks Loughborough Echo...

Diddy ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 07 July 08 13:42 BST (UK): Oh how fantastic, Diddy......great news and very interesting. Thank goodness we all had a go...... :D :D :D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Monday 07 July 08 13:45 BST (UK): How wonderful Dee..............finally it all comes together..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: triciaboxy on Monday 07 July 08 14:09 BST (UK): What a great ending ! Congrats all. Tricia in Oz
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 07 July 08 22:26 BST (UK): Love it ;D

Thanks for posting Diddy.

Now, does anyone know (or remember, if it has already been mentioned :P .... sorry) who ended up getting the original letter and photograph as many descendants have been found?

Don't envy having to make that decision ...
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 07 July 08 22:49 BST (UK): Ruskie,

Don't think that has been mentioned, except that Nick was to meet up with Kooka at some stage. I haven't been in contact since I returned from Sydney, but shall try emailing him today. :D

......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: triciaboxy on Tuesday 08 July 08 00:18 BST (UK): Good morning! I must say thanks so much to Lones, who did a wonderful restoration of my Uncle Wally's photos for me (Charlie Forster's cousin). I tried to put one up here to show you how it looks, but I don't know how to resize it down to 500kg. It's just great, and my cousins now have copies as well.

Cheers Tricia
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 08 July 08 00:34 BST (UK): Hello Tricia.....good to "meet" another of Charlie's rellies ...... :D :D

........dee
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Post by: percy porter on Tuesday 08 July 08 01:27 BST (UK): [quote author=triciaboxy link=topic=300953.msg1952150#msg1952150
but I don't know how to resize it down to 500kg. It's just great, and my cousins now have copies as well.

Cheers Tricia
Quote

500kg does sound a bit heavy, if you like I will pm you my e-mail address and I will resize and post it for you.

Alan NZ
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Post by: trish251 on Tuesday 08 July 08 01:40 BST (UK): Quote from: deeiluka on Monday 07 July 08 13:42 BST (UK)
Oh how fantastic, Diddy......great news and very interesting. Thank goodness we all had a go...... :D :D :D

.....dee

You all did great - fabulous ending to the story

Trish
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Post by: triciaboxy on Tuesday 08 July 08 15:24 BST (UK): You're all so kind - thanks Alan, I'd appreciate that. Cheers Tricia
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: percy porter on Wednesday 09 July 08 09:32 BST (UK): Tah, I thought I had sent a pm :-[

But it is late (for me)

Alan NZ
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 09 July 08 09:38 BST (UK): Alan, it would be best to put your email address in a PM to Tricia......as it will be removed by a moderator if you leave it in a message.

.......dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle - HAPPILY COMPLETED
Post by: percy porter on Wednesday 09 July 08 19:49 BST (UK): Here are the two resized pictures for Trishia.

Alan NZ
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Post by: percy porter on Wednesday 09 July 08 19:50 BST (UK): and second one,

Alan NZ
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: grub on Wednesday 09 July 08 22:30 BST (UK): Please let me know when this can be marked "HAPPILY COMPLETED"
Grub :)
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Post by: PaulaToo on Wednesday 09 July 08 23:20 BST (UK): Not before I add my congratulations to the team, Grub.
It's been an experience following it through.
Well done everyone.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 09 July 08 23:40 BST (UK): Hi Grub,

Unless anyone wants to add anything, I think this thread has been completed.

This has been a fanatastic effort by all and a great outcome. My idle moment on Anzac Day and the thought that someone may have fun with this search, has exceeded all expectations.

I've started, so I'll finish ;D.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Thursday 10 July 08 07:17 BST (UK): Could I add a last congratulations to everyone who took part and a big thank you for making it so interesting. It's been a wonderful thread and a brilliant ending.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 10 July 08 11:35 BST (UK): What a wonderfull story unfolded before our eyes. Each day we looked eagerly to see the next posting and who had found what. Eveyone should be very proud of the effort went into this thread to make it such a successfull outcome and not to forget the marvellous information gathered for the families to treasure forever.

"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them".

kind regards to all Jenn
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: triciaboxy on Thursday 10 July 08 14:39 BST (UK): It's been a marvellous effort all round, thanks all of you. Special thanks from me to Lones for fixing my photos of Walter and Percyporter for putting them up on here for me. Tricia
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 10 July 08 23:40 BST (UK): Just to let you know that I have had a reply from Nick Lynch, as he was about to fly out from an airport. (He's a busy man.....always off here, there, and everywhere! ;D )

Quoting him.....

" Ann and I are trying to find a date to meet so we can give the letter over. I hope within the next few weeks before I go overseas.

I will as promised send you a scan of Allison, and also pictures from my brother Mark at the graves. Believe it or not I still have not seen any of his pictures."

and "I looked quickly at the link tonight and once again am amazed by what I have seen. Unbelievable! Great work from so many people."

He has also said that he will post a scan of Allison and a link to his brother's pictures at the graves.

He's been away from home for 5 weeks, so it could take a while.....

I wonder if SBS will decide to follow up on the story......

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: sarra on Friday 11 July 08 01:35 BST (UK): What a nice surprise to find the Anzac Puzzle - has another story added to it.

I'm looking forward to seeing the picture of Allison - and the pictures of Nick's brother Mark at the graves.

Congratulations once again to all of you who worked so hard to find the missing pieces of the puzzle.

Sarra
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Kooka on Friday 11 July 08 04:42 BST (UK): Hi all. I have continued reading all the info in this thread and am fascinated that it is still going. Nick and I have not caught up yet but the chain of events continues, as just today I had a letter from a long lost relative who would like to make contact with me. She read the original article in the Herald Sun on ANZAC Day. Thanks again from my family and me for all the info you have uncovered and I too am looking forward to seeing Mark's photos. By the way, what happens to this thread when it is finally delared completed? Anne.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 11 July 08 04:47 BST (UK): Hi Anne,

Glad the chain of events is still continuing. What a journey for you, too.

As far as I know, this thread will stay stored on the Completed Topics Board.

I think.....someone will correct me if I am wrong......it will stay near the top as it has been "stickied".

Also, while it is unlocked, we can still post on it. Once it is locked, we will not be able to do so. So I'm hoping it will stay unlocked until we get the photo of Allison. :D :D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: grub on Friday 11 July 08 13:37 BST (UK): I've marked it Completed, and stickied, so it will stay near the top for now.
Hopefully, Allisons photo will be the clincher.
Job well done, all.
Grub
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 11 July 08 13:47 BST (UK): Another feather in the cap for RootsChat don't you think Grub........ ;D ;D ;D

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Monday 03 November 08 11:54 GMT (UK): I thought with Remembrance Sunday approaching that as all you

Rootschatters did a brilliant job as always that I would make a card with

the picture Nick and Dee put on the forum in Charles memory.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 03 November 08 20:37 GMT (UK): Sandy, that's just a very beautiful card. I just hope that Nick, Tricia, and Kooka see it. :D :D :D

.....dee
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Kooka on Monday 03 November 08 22:10 GMT (UK): Sandy. I have just seen the beautiful card that you made in memory of Uncle Charlie. It brought tears to my eyes as I was very touched. Nick and I still have not met but we have kept in contact with each other. Thank you for your thoughtfulness. Cheers, Anne.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Friday 07 November 08 15:09 GMT (UK): Hi Dee and Anne.

It is such a poignant time just now with Remembrance Sunday and all the T.V. coverage.

Anne if you would like to P.M. me as it is your relative I am more than willing to
send to you if you would like it.

I am afraid it won't make it by Tuesday though yourself being in Australia.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Sunday 09 November 08 17:58 GMT (UK): I placed Charles Card at our War Memorial Service at Wellingborough today.

None of our loved ones will ever be forgotten.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Kooka on Sunday 09 November 08 22:50 GMT (UK): Hi Sandy. Sorry I didn't reply earlier. Thank you for the kind offer to send me the card. I am pleased to see though that you have placed it at the war memorial and I think that this is where the card belongs. We are all remembering Uncle Charlie as Remembrance Day approaches. Thank you again for your thoughtfulness. Anne.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Tuesday 11 November 08 16:41 GMT (UK): Hi Anne

No worries.

You do not have to reply to me at all, honest.

I am afraid that an hour later we had howling winds and torrential rain
so the card would not have lasted long. :(

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Wednesday 12 November 08 01:26 GMT (UK): Quote from: seahall on Tuesday 11 November 08 16:41 GMT (UK)

I am afraid that an hour later we had howling winds and torrential rain
so the card would not have lasted long. :(

Sandy

But the thought was there and I'm sure Charles appreciated both the card and the sentiment behind it............as do we.

Thank you

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 12 November 08 11:02 GMT (UK): Thank you Barbara for saying so. :)

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 12 November 08 11:06 GMT (UK): Yes, a truly lovely thought, Sandy...... :D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: bennewbon on Monday 27 July 09 12:54 BST (UK): I have just been reading this thread with shivers going down my back. The person you are talking about is my great, great, great grandfather. I went to the battlefields where he was killed a few years ago and saw the anzac memorial with his name on it. Thankyou all so much for your hard work on uncovering this, its truely amazing.

Ben Newbon
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 27 July 09 14:37 BST (UK): Welcome to rootschat Ben. It seems so long ago that the great work of the rootschatters solved this mystery and it's still one of our longest and most interesting and successful threads. :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Monday 27 July 09 15:20 BST (UK): A very warm welcome from me too Ben. How uncanny that you are the second person in a week to show an interest in Alfred Parr.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,393914.0.html

I don't know if you are both aware of each other but hopefully you will be now. ;D

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 27 July 09 23:18 BST (UK): [Thanks Maddie - I hadn't noticed that other thread regarding this family]
;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 27 July 09 23:34 BST (UK): Quote from: bennewbon on Monday 27 July 09 12:54 BST (UK)
I have just been reading this thread with shivers going down my back. The person you are talking about is my great, great, great grandfather. I went to the battlefields where he was killed a few years ago and saw the anzac memorial with his name on it. Thank you all so much for your hard work on uncovering this, its truely amazing.

Ben Newbon

Hello there Ben

and Welcome to Rootschat, how very good it must have been for you to go to the battlefields I am sure it was a very moving experience for you.

This was and still is a great thread with a lot of hard work done by so many who were so interested in the story .

kind thoughts Jenn

ps Maddie thanks for the link :D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: LeaLea on Tuesday 28 July 09 08:14 BST (UK): Quote from: bennewbon on Monday 27 July 09 12:54 BST (UK)
I have just been reading this thread with shivers going down my back. The person you are talking about is my great, great, great grandfather. I went to the battlefields where he was killed a few years ago and saw the anzac memorial with his name on it. Thankyou all so much for your hard work on uncovering this, its truely amazing.

Ben Newbon

Hello Ben, I've come over from the other thread that I started with my query about Alfred Parr having seen your message on there - its lovely to hear from you. Elizabeth and Charles Newbon were my great great grandparents, my great grandma was Ruth who I believe may have been their youngest. I don't have any pictures of Alfred but am seeing my grandparents tomorrow so will see if they know of any. Did you also know that Alfred's name is on the Carillon War Memorial in Loughborough?
Regards
Leah
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: LeaLea on Tuesday 28 July 09 08:17 BST (UK): Oh, just another thought Ben. I saw your question about details of Alfred's promotion. I found his service records on line and it has the information on there, you can order a copy of them in a presentation file, which I have done. The promotion looks to have been unfortunate because it was due to the death of another officer. I guess that was what they came to expect then though. This is the link to his service record - I hope it works. If not, pm me your e-mail address and I'll be happy to e-mail the link through.

http://mappingouranzacs.naa.gov.au/file-view.html?b=8007347&s=B2455&c=PARR%20ALFRED
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: cando on Tuesday 28 July 09 09:22 BST (UK): Alfred's record is digitised and online at

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx
>Search now...as a guest user

I searched using his name and then Date - 1920...which will bring up 3 records. On his record click on the icon to view.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 28 July 09 10:43 BST (UK): Glad to see that Leah and Ben have both managed to find this thread, and that we've helped yet more relatives of Alfred Parr with his story.

Dee :D :D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: bennewbon on Tuesday 28 July 09 10:58 BST (UK): Yes i did know, my grandfather (Rev. Kenneth Newbon) Often talkas about him as i have been very interested for a long time about the family history.

It would be interesting to see the family tree that you have, as i know Charles Newbon and Elizabeth had at least 4 children and one of them Charles Newbon (gees this name continues well) Married Florence brookes in 1924 in Loughborough to which i have the original marriage certificate and the family bible that was presented to Charles and Florrie by her dad (the bible dates from 1862). They only had one son Kenneth who married Nancy Hickling and had four kids, 3 girls and one boy and out of that there is now 9 grandchildren (this is where i am) and 3 great granchildren and another one just heard about yesterday on its way. I hope this gives you a bit of an insight into the family on my side :)

Regards

Ben
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Maddie on Tuesday 28 July 09 11:25 BST (UK): Oh I am so pleased to see Ben & Lea did connect. ;D

Glad I could help in a small way. :D

Maddie
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: LeaLea on Tuesday 28 July 09 12:30 BST (UK): I have heard mention of Kenneth, but never had any other details. I'll go through it with my Grandad tomorrow evening and see if we can work out where everyone fits in - I'll keep you posted. Its really Good to be in touch with other extended family members :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Tuesday 28 July 09 15:05 BST (UK): Wow...........you've got the family bible, found LeaLea and can follow the line. How wonderful.

Welcome to RC Ben. ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Polldoll on Tuesday 28 July 09 16:23 BST (UK): Doncha just love happy endings .. ;D ;D We do get some really heartwarming stories on RC... it must be the best forum around for friendliness.... ;)
Poll ;)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: megl on Thursday 10 June 10 03:11 BST (UK): I am just wondering whether this puzzle has been solved in the past two years. It only came to my attention this morning. The Australian soldier that sparked this hunt was my great uncle, Charles Alfred Porter Forster. I can fill in the missing information if it remains a subject of interest.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Lones on Thursday 10 June 10 09:50 BST (UK): I for one would love to hear the full story. Did you ever contact the gent and get the original letter and picture?

Eager to hear

Lones
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 10 June 10 10:08 BST (UK): Welcome to Rootschat, Megl. :)

Families of both Charles Alfred Porter Forster and Alfred Parr were found thanks to the great teamwork by the team of Rootschatters who worked on this thread. A niece of Charles Alfred Porter Forster posted on the thread under the username of Kooka. Her given name is Anne. And you'll see that relatives of Alfred Parr have posted too.

Kooka was in touch with Nick, who found the original photo and letters, and I believe both families received either the originals or a copy.

Dee :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: PaulaToo on Thursday 10 June 10 10:39 BST (UK): How lovely to see this thread again.
Looks as though once again Roots is bringing far flung members of a family together.
Love the Avatar, dee.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: megl on Thursday 10 June 10 11:01 BST (UK): I am very new to this. I have just posted quite a lengthy explanation of where I fit in the puzzle, but now I can't see it! I hope it's out there somewhere!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 10 June 10 11:06 BST (UK): Oh Megl,

How frustrating for you. :(
It does happen on the odd occasion that a message disappears into cyberspace.
Sometimes if you hit the back button on your computer enough, you can find the message that you thought had posted.....copy and paste and try again.

Rootschat is a wonderful meeting place for people trying to find out more about family history, and there are many many helpful people here.

You might like to know that when you have posted one more message on this thread, you can use the personal message to try to get in touch with any of the individuals who have posted on the thread.

Dee :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: megl on Thursday 10 June 10 11:07 BST (UK): Thankyou for the welcome Dee and Lones. I am hoping that I will be able to work out Kooka's connection. Mine is as follows. Charlie had two sisters and a brother. One of the sisters, Ada Joyce was my grandmother. I always new about Uncle Charlie as his mother, Mary Jane whom I knew as 'Grandma', lived into her nineties, dying when I was about sixteen. As a child I picked up on the fact that the mention of Charlie's name caused distress for Mary Jane. She was a lovely soul and I'm going to see if I can attach a photo of Mary Jane and her husband Alfred John which was probably taken after their marriage. She looks very young but I have calculated that she was only 17 when they married and Alfred John was 22.
Ada Joyce married my grandfather John Leigh and from that union came my mother Joyce Mary and a son Donald Forster.
I have always been very interested in history and have in fact quite a collection of family history and memorabilia.
In 2000 I privately published my grandfather (John Leigh)'s diaries from W.W.1. He served at both Gallipoli and the Western Front where he was shot in the head but survived and returned home. At the end of the diary I included a section on Uncle Charlie - his photograph, a letter from Buckingham Palace, the envelope addressed to his parents in Maffra containing his war medals, and a copy of Sgt Parr's beautiful letter. It has always moved me to tears whenever I have re-read it. It was sent to my mother by Charlie's brother's wife, ie. Uncle Jack. He married rather later to a lady called Dorothy. In a letter to my mother in 1994 she says " my son Douglas also has a letter about Charles" She goes on to say that she was getting a copy for my mother but I believe she was terminally ill at the time and I did not find the letter amongst my mother's things.
Charlie was a talented artist. In my office I have a charcoal sketch of a cocker spaniel puppy that Charlie drew and I also have his sister Ada's autograph book from her teenage years in which Charlie has painted a number of charming illustrations.
It came as quite a shock to me this morning when I stumbled onto all the correspondence related to the search for Charlie and Sgt. Parr's relatives. I was actually looking for the date of death for Mary Jane (it was 1961) and had no idea about the original letter having been found. And I'm perplexed as to how Dorothy could have had a copy whilst the original was behind a photo frame!
Anyway, I'll try to attach the photo of Charlie's parents now. I do have more photos if anyone would like to see them.
I don't know if any of Sgt. Parr's descendants will read this, but if they do I hope they will be proud of their connection to what was obviously a very decent human being. All of Charlie's family were gentle people and I know they must have been comforted by his words. I didn't know he had died too - how must his family have felt losing three sons.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: megl on Thursday 10 June 10 11:13 BST (UK): I think my text must have taken up too much of the 500kb. I'll try attaching Charlie's parent's photo again.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 10 June 10 11:14 BST (UK): Oh I do hope Anne (Kooka) sees your post, Megl........

How lovely to hear more about Charlie and his family. We'd love to see any photographs that you can share with us. If you have any problems with doing so, just ask for help, as there are certain boundaries that photographs have to fit within.

As you can tell by this thread, we are a dedicated group who love to help others as well as do our own personal research. We'll all be so glad that you stumbled across the thread.

Dee :D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Polldoll on Thursday 10 June 10 11:21 BST (UK): Oh My what a lovely photo Megl ....She does look so young... 17 and what a pretty face ... it's lovely that this thread had found another link . Welcome Megl.... This is really the best forum on the net ... certainly the friendliest ;)

Polly :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 10 June 10 11:24 BST (UK): As Polly says , such a wonderful photograph to have, Megl. :D :D

How fortunate you are to have your Grandfather Leigh's war diaries.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 10 June 10 11:32 BST (UK): Megl,
Have you seen the follow up newspaper story?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/lost-diggers-family-found/story-e6frf7kx-1111116181246

Dee :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: megl on Thursday 10 June 10 11:42 BST (UK): Thankyou Dee. I have now read the follow-up article. Charles Forster must be Uncle Jack's other son. I think I may have met him and his parents once when he was a baby and I was in Melbourne with my grand parents. The photo I have of Charlie is the same as the one in the article although I do have a rather faded one of him when he was about 15.
I have also sent a message to 'Kooka" - thankyou for telling me how!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Thursday 10 June 10 11:45 BST (UK): Wow...............welcome to RC Megl, I'm sure you'll have a wonderful time here.

And that photo - it's just beautiful. You're so lucky.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: megl on Thursday 10 June 10 11:52 BST (UK): Thankyou for the welcome Barbara. Yes, she was a beautiful person, even when older. What an eventful day this has been!
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Thursday 10 June 10 11:55 BST (UK): Just wait till Kooka gets in contact, it will be more eventful still. ;D ;D

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: PaulaToo on Thursday 10 June 10 12:01 BST (UK): Oh, that is a lovely photo, pity it doesn't need restoring :D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: megl on Thursday 10 June 10 12:03 BST (UK): OK, well that will do me for today. I think I'll go to bed and think about it all! Megl
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 10 June 10 12:04 BST (UK): I just hope Kooka has email notifications switched on, so that she realises there's information on here for her.

It's exciting when something like this happens, isn't it? :D

Goodnight Megl.......sweet dreams........ ;D
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Ruskie on Thursday 10 June 10 14:52 BST (UK): Welcome from me too megl. :)

Please let us know when you hear from Kooka.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: seahall on Thursday 10 June 10 17:44 BST (UK): Welcome from me to Megl. :)

The photograph is really beautiful.

Sandy
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: megl on Friday 11 June 10 03:44 BST (UK): Thankyou everyone. Kooka has been in touch with me and I am thrilled to bits to have found a (2nd) cousin I didn't know I had! We will be exchanging information and keeping you all informed. Megl
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Friday 11 June 10 03:48 BST (UK): Fantastic Megl.......... wonderful news. Congratulations on the new cousin.

Barbara
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 11 June 10 07:56 BST (UK): Quote from: megl on Friday 11 June 10 03:44 BST (UK)
Thankyou everyone. Kooka has been in touch with me and I am thrilled to bits to have found a (2nd) cousin I didn't know I had! We will be exchanging information and keeping you all informed. Megl

That's great news, Megl. :D :D

Another success for Rootschat! ;)

Dee :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: megl on Friday 11 June 10 08:28 BST (UK): Thanks Dee and everyone else. My apologies for any un-answered posts. Still navigating myself around. Megl :)
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: doug forster on Friday 02 December 11 12:34 GMT (UK): Quote from: Ruskie on Thursday 24 April 08 23:03 BST (UK)
Anyone fancy having a try at solving this puzzle on Anzac Day?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23595876-5016687,00.html

Charlie porter forster is my dads uncle
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: Tephra on Saturday 03 December 11 03:09 GMT (UK): Welcome to Rootschat, Doug. I'm sure megl and Kooka will be in touch.
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: doug forster on Saturday 03 December 11 13:28 GMT (UK): Kooka aka Anne is my sister
Title: Re: ANZAC puzzle
Post by: koroynz on Saturday 03 December 11 18:01 GMT (UK): Ruskie, I know this posting is 3yrs+. In the next coming years,mainly from Gallipoli (2015) onward will be the centenary(100) remembrance,although for both our ANZAC countries (I am kiwi),the main focus in this instant is ANZAC Cove landing. I am totally, aware,that your Federal (AU) Goverment has set up a high profile commendation advisory board. The secondary roles, I am certain (unquote) would somewhere include the Western Front and our MR involvement in Palestine. If it is still unsolved today, then go,to the top (State or Federal) to help unrevil the mystery, because the interest is there now and for your "Pollies" good image for them at Au election time. ANZAC Day onward, was the beginning for both our countries nationhood,away from the colonial past. What you have,the forgotten letter,is Australian history, that
give respect,to who you are today. I am aware of the past timeframe,hoping this one you receive. Go to "NEW ANZAC CENTENARY ADVISORY BOARD ANNOUNCED- Oct 11-2011-By D Veteran Affairs.

http://minister.dva.gov.au/media_releases/2011/oct/joint111012.htm

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