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I understand that there is a surviving 1801 census for Binfield which actually names individuals.
Does anyone have a copy or have access to one?
If so, I'd really appreciate a couple of look ups. ;D
Jill
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You might find the following of some help
http://www.localpopulationstudies.org.uk/PDF/LPS40/LPS40_1988_20-35.pdf
http://www.byrik.clara.net/gen/Places/Binfield/GenealogyNotes.html
David
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I've got a copy (transcript) somewhere - in an early issue of the Berkshire Family Historian. Not immediately to hand as I'm not at home at the moment.
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That's great, newburychap! ;D
You're not at home and I've got to go out for the day, but would you be able to look up for any trace of my Crockford family when convenient?
I'm not sure what date the census was actually taken and my couple were married in 1801 (Feb) So, if they're already married, it should have
Benjamin Crockford (farmer)
wife Ann
no children as yet.
Also, Benjamin's mother Elizabeth Carter and husband Robert.
And, are there by any chance any Pottingers/Pottengers & Tice/Tyse in Binfield?
I'd be grateful for any help - as ever. ;D
Jill
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That's great, newburychap! ;D
You're not at home and I've got to go out for the day, but would you be able to look up for any trace of my Crockford family when convenient?
Not that great - I'm not sure when I will be home next. Hopefully in the next week or so.
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No, really - that is great! ;D
Anytime you can manage would be fine by me.
Jill
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Hello Jill,
If you haven't found this already can you post me a list of Binfield people/dates. I looked at the Binfield CMB index today and can do easily next time I go home.
Lesanne.
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Hi Lesanne,
No - I haven't heard anything from Newburychap yet, but, to be fair, he did say he might be away from home for a few weeks.
Do you have a copy of the Binfield 1801 census?
Jill
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Hello Jill,
:) No, not the census but the Index from 1600ish onwards is there, if it's any help.
Like Newburychap, I hope to get to BRO and that census is first on my list. :P :P
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Hi again,
Thanks for your kind offer.
This branch of my family only moved to Binfield with the marriage of Benjamin Crockford and Ann Pottenger in Binfield 26 Feb 1801 and I have the dates of their childrens' baptisms there.
Benjamin was baptised in Easthampstead and Ann in Basildon, Berks - so I've often wondered why they ended up in Binfield. I think it may have been because his mother Elizabeth Crockford (Benj was illegitimate) moved there, but I'd be interested to know if there are any earlier Crockford or Pottenger/Pottinger BMDs prior to 1801.
Going way back, I have a Henry Crockford marrying an Elizabeth Strake/Streek in Binfield 1 Nov 1632. I think her family were the Streeks from Binfield but there's no baptism for Elizabeth on the IGI, so I'd also be very grateful if you could look for any sign of her baptism circa 1606-10, probably the daughter of Andrew Streek.
Any help - particularly extra info over and above what you get on the IGI- would be great.
As for the 1801 census, I'd be really grateful for any details of the people mentioned in my second post on this thread.
Hope that's okay?
Jill
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Have you tried Street there were several of that name...
caught my eye for some reason. :o
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Yes, I think that seems to be yet another version! ::)
Elizabeth is called Strake in the marriage PRs and I couldn't find hide nor hair of her for ages until I discovered the Streeks and, with her marrying in Binfield (her husband was from Hurst), I figured she was more than likely from Binfield herself.
Unfortunately, it seems to be one of those names that has several spelling variations. Most confusing! :-[
Jill
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Like Newburychap, I hope to get to BRO and that census is first on my list. :P :P
I get in to the BRO quite often - last there on Thursday. But the Binfield census is in a 1978 copy of the Berkshire Historian, in a binder with my other early copies (still looking for a few from Vols 1 to 4). Sadly, since I got home yesterday I have been unable to locate that binder (found all the others ...). Big tidy up over the next few days, hopefully it will surface!
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Thanks, Newburychap. Glad to know that I'm not the only one who loses things!! ;D
I'll keep my digits crossed...
Jill
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Hi Jill,
:-\ Binfield 1801.
The only one I could see was James Streak + Harriet Clewer (did they come from Clewer?)
with a Harriet 2
David * inf
*came at Michelmas.
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I had a look in other parishes.
Johane Crockford Bapt Oct 14 1554 Binfield
Marie d/o Simon Crockford bapt July 21 1622 Warfield
Thomas Pottinger married 1672 Wargrave
Will of John Streeke dated 1626
Binfield
1613 Dec 19 Andrew s/o Andrew Strete
1619 Jan 2 Gilbert s/o Andrew Strete
1619 Feb 6 Daniel s/o Frances Strete
1621 May Jean d/o Francis
Easthampstead 1666 May 5 Thomas Lawrence + Joane Streeke of Binfield
Does any of that help Jill.......
If you can pm me a proper list of dates and names, when I 'pop in' there, I'll have it to hand.
I found a bit in the "Historical Atlas of Britain". a map of Catholics in Berks.
There are 2 dates. 1577 and 1676. I have to read a bit more about it but it could something like a visitation of Papists in the area....
I didn't see Elizabeth in the indexes but that doesn't mean she not recorded in the "proper church books". Some of mine I've found that way... :-X
Les
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Thanks Lesanne. I'm sending you a PM.
Was there no Crockfords at all on the 1801 census?
Jill
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Hi,
Finally found my early issues of the Berkshire Family Historian.
Binfield 1801 census is spread over 3 issues - Vol 3 nos 2 to 4 1977/8
The census was taken in March (actual date not shown)
Benjamin Crockford (farmer)
wife Ann
no children as yet.
Also, Benjamin's mother Elizabeth Carter and husband Robert.
No Crockford household
However, wives seem to be listed by their maiden names (what a bonus!).
Schedule 6
Robert CARTER (d 1801) father to James above
& Elizabeth CROCKFORD
children all grown up.
Schedule 142
NEATE family
+ servants incl. Thomas CROCKFORD, c'chman
And, are there by any chance any Pottingers/Pottengers & Tice/Tyse in Binfield?
I didn't spot any Pottingers or Tices, or any more Crockfords - and I don't think there are any. But there is no index apart from that of householders. I did scan through to see if any were listed as servants, lodgers etc. Only found Thomas Crockford above.
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Newburychap,
Thanks for hunting that down for me - it's much appreciated.
Great that it also confirms the 1801 death of Robert Carter.
It's been suggested that the reason that Benjamin Crockford & his wife Ann didn't show up on this census is that they were living in one of 4 dwellings at Westley Mill (they were still there on the 1841) and that these were just outside the parish of Binfield and would have been classed as White Waltham?
Thanks for your efforts on my behalf.
Jill
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Hi jillruss
I'm not sure if we've been in touch before, perhaps on another site...
My grandfather's side of the family are also Crockfords & go back to 1548~Thomas Crockford.
The Benjamin you have been chasing is my 4 X GreatGrandfather.
Chat soon
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Hi, and welcome to Rootschat.
It's a good probabliity that we've been in touch before about the Crockfords - difficult to tell with your username!
I've also got as far back as Thomas Crockford. Benjamin is also my greatx4 grandfather. I'm descended from his son James Crockford and his wife Elizabeth (nee Horwood).
Does that ring any bells? ???
Anyway, let me know if you think we haven't already been in touch, and we can compare notes.
Jill
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Hi Jill
I've just found you in my Genes messages... we talked way back in Oct 2007! I have a feeling we're actually 4th Crockford cousins! Unfortuanately I don't have access to your tree on Genes so I can't fill in the missing links...
I'm the one with the Benjamin Crockford my 3 x Great Grandfather who was found drowned in the Serpentine! (Kirstin Walden Crockford). Would you like an update on him & did I ever send you the newspaper report of his inquest... that I promised you?
My laptop died in February, the motherboard had to be replaced & unfortunately I had no chance to back up all my files (most of them were safe... wheew!)... some of my saved emails were lost so I have no records of what I sent before Dec 2008.
Let me know if you're interested.
Nice to touch base again
Cousin Kirst
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Hi Kirst.
I remember! Yes - you did send me the newspaper cutting for poor Benjamin jnr - it looked very much like suicide, didn't it - poor chap.
I haven't got my family tree on Genes anymore as I'm no longer a member but I seem to remember we had very much the same research results - which is comforting!! ;D
I've been concentrating on my Yorkshire ancestors just recently but, prior to that, had looked again at some of the Crockford wives - particularly Benjamin Snr's wife Ann Pottenger and, of couse, Elizabeths Holt & Knife.
Have you researched the female lines as well?
Jill
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Hi Jill
Thankgoodness some one remembers me LOL..
The only bit of female line I've really got is Elizabeth Knife's parents... because it was her father Richard Knife that built Crockford's Cottage. He was a surgeon & her mother was Mary Tecknor... you've probably already got this info ~ if you find out anything else I'd be very interested to hear about it.
Kirst
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Hi!
I am completely stuck trying to unravel the ancestors of my great-great grandfather agricultural/brickmaker's labourer Isaac WHEELER c1822 of Binfield, son of Mary WHEELER and "father unknown", and grandson of Elizabeth WHEELER (possibly nee KNIBB?), c1775 of "Watin", Warwickshire.
I am also interested in the CARTERs and LONGs of Binfield.
Someone has suggested looking at the 1801 census for Binfield as this, unusually, still exists and had names listed.
Before visiting the Berkshire Records Office I would be very grateful indeed if anyone here could look for any WHEELERs, KNIBBs, CARTERs or LONGs listed in the 1801 census.
Names/families of particular interest include:
Mary WHEELER, between 0 and 30 years old, probably.
Isaac WHEELER, ag lab, born c1780.
Elizabeth KNIBB, born c1775.
Isaac WHEELER, born c1760 or before, and wife Jane.
William CARTER, c1781, haybinder/ag lab, and wife Hannah (possibly nee WILLABY?).
John LONG, ag lab, christened 16 May 1784, Binfield, and wife Ann.
William LONG, born before c1760, and wife Elizabeth (nee ATTY?)
These three families appear to have intermarried a couple of times in the early 1800s so I'd be very interested in any information on any of them.
Thanks very much!
Therese.
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:D Hello Therese,
A warm welcome to Rootschat.
This 1801 is more an address book, with the families in Alphabetical order. :P
I have a few snippets of the 1801 'census' and there are some pieces further back 'replies' for Carter. I did look and have 1 small family Wheeler.
When you have posted 3 posts you will be able to send Personal Msg, via name to the side.
Lesanne. :D
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Thanks very much for this. :)
It sounds like this might be a trail worth following. There are a couple of people here who have a copy of the whole thing for Binfield, no?
I will go back and take a look at the earlier replies re CARTER.
Could I ask you what the names (and any other info) were for the "small WHEELER family" in your part of the census?
Again, many thanks! :)
Therese.
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I have now read the fascinating paper on migration mentioned towards the top of this thread and a visit to the BRO has increased in likelihood as it appears that they have a great deal of information on Binfield in the second half of the 1700s - 1801. This may eventually be far more interesting than just ploughing through Parish Records.
The WHEELER/CARTER/LONG families of Binfield were the "unknown" 25% of my tree, but perhaps they may become the most informative.
According to the data I have seen, the CARTERs and LONGs, at least, should have been residents of Binfield during the 1750-1801 period.
I just hope that, unlike my grandfather Wilfrid Long WHEELER, they do not turn out to have been such "undeserving paupers" that no-one has bothered to mention them in any of these surveys! (I have yet to figure out where or when he died, for instance!)
I looked again at Robert CARTER who died in 1801, above, and since the earliest CARTER in my tree is William CARTER c1781, I don't know if there is any link between them or not.
The only thing I do know about William CARTER c1781 is that in the 1841 census his "residence" was The Shoulder of Mutton public house, Binfield, with only his 15 year old daughter Elizabeth (my great-great grandmother), and in 1861 he was 80 years old and an inmate of an Easthampstead institution which I assume was the poor house.
All very interesting...
Therese.
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The Shoulder of Mutton was pulled down about five years ago. It stood on the corner of London Road (B3408) and Beehive Road opposite St Marks Road which leads up to the main original village of Binfield.
The union workhouse in East Hampstead was an an extension to the original workhouse made in 1834 to cover a number of surrounding villages including Binfield and included an infirmary. In 1914 it became Church Hill House Hospital for the mentally ill which it remained until fairly recently when the residents were dispursed into smaller units spread around the area.
If you want more of its history PM me.
David
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Newburychap,
I would appreciate a lookup for the Cutler family of Binfield Berkshire - mainly Elizabeth Cutler who by 1801 would be late 50's & her son John born 1767.
Thanks
Matt94
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Elsewhere on Rootschat is a link to a recent publication of the Binfield 1801 census from www.eurekapartnership.com.
Link not added here - what a pain it is not being able to cut and paste! Anyway, it comes up if you Google it. ;-)
Given my ongoing questions about the Wheelers, Carters, Longs, Knibbs, etc I've ordered a copy, so hopefully soon I may be able to answer other queries about it.
By the way, I discovered from the 1851 census that my William CARTER 1785-ish was born in Waltham St Lawrence, although his father, Richard CARTER, may have been born in Binfield. I say "may", as he seems to not to have married his children's mother Susannah until after most of them were born.
Is anyone else here looking into the Carters of Binfield/Waltham St Lawrence? I'd be very grateful for advice about a number of questions!
Therese
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Hi Therese
I was looking at your entry about the Carter's of Binfield. In it you say that Richard may have married after the children were born. I have information that Richard married in May 1776 and their first child was christened Mar 1776. I can go back to Robert 1669 but do not know where he was born.
Sparky2
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Hi!
Do you mean Richard Carter who appears in the 1801 census in "House 39" with wife Susanna and two small children (Susannah and James)?
(That would make the "first child" you mention Betty, christened in Waltham St Lawrence on 3rd March 1776, presumably?)
Do you know where he married Susannah and what her maiden name was?
Curious - I thought I had listed the Binfield 1801 census in the Berkshire look-up offers. If I did, I can't find it now!
Anyway, following on from that I had an exchange with JillRuss (sorry - can't cut and paste the link to her here!) where she said she thought Robert Carter had been born in Hurley on 17 Apr 1722, the son of Francis and Christian - although I'm not sure whether I ever knew why she thought he was from Hurley.
It sounds as though you have another theory about who Richard's parents and grandparents were and where /when he was born.
Since first cousins marry a couple of generations later in my tree, I have Richard Carter in my tree twice. There is a more implausible idea for his parents in the other place he appears in my tree at the moment.
Do I sound a bit confused? ;-) I haven't looked at that bit of my tree for quite a while and it's all quite hard to understand.
I'd be very grateful indeed if you could tell me where & when "your" Richard Carter was born, and who his parents/grandparents were and how he fits into the Carter family tree in Binfield! :)
Thanks! :)
Therese.
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Hi Therese
This is what I have but going back that early it can be very hard to confirm. I will put down what I have from the earliest.
Robert Carter b around 1669
married Rachell Leach 5/09/1689 Wokingham plus 13 children all born Wokingham
Robert Carter c11/08/1711 Binfield
married Ann Dickonson 25/02/1742 Binfield plus 10 children all born Binfield
Richard Carter c28/06/1758 Binfield
married Susannah Leach 19/05/1776 plus 8 children born Waltham St Lawrence
I hope you can work this out. I am related to Charles Carter born 1821 Binfield who had a son Enoch Edward born 1854 Binfield who was my gggrandfather.
Best of luck
Sparky2
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Hello Therese and others....
I am trying to find a link between Hagbourne Wheelers - particularly Mishack Wheeler who moved to Binfield from Hagbourne before 1841 when he was 14yrs old.
It appears that he may have been lodging with Elizabeth Wheeler (nee Knibb), and must have been related, but I have yet to discover how.
He is son of Daniel Wheeler of Hagbourne and Elizabeth Essex of Hagbourne, but I cannot find Daniel's antecedents.
Can you help (Mishack is a brilliant link as there is only one of him...)
Richard
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Not sure. I haven't looked at my tree for a while.
Mishack rings a bell in that at one point I thought he belonged in my tree but it turned out he didn't. If I remember rightly it's not the same Elizabeth Wheeler. Possibly! ???
I have Elizabeth Wheeler (nee KNIBB) as follows in my tree:
- 1801 - Elizabeth KNIBB servant of E O Elliot Esq and Margaret van Cortland(t) at Binfield (Park) House.
- 1841 - age 65 at Pope's Wood Cottages with son-in-law Joseph FLETCHER and family. Not born in Berkshire.
- 1851 - age 76 living with grandson Isaac WHEELER and family in Binfield. Born in "Warwickshire N K", deaf.
- 1861 - age 86 living with "son" Isaac WHEELER and family in Binfield. Born in "Watin", Warwickshire.
Do the Hagbourne Wheelers have any link to Binfield before Mishack?
There's a Daniel Wheeler c1817 Binfield, and another c1819, sons of William and Anne Wheeler on IGI.
William Wheeler c 1777 Binfield is Elizabeth KNIBB's brother in law - ie brother of Isaac Wheeler c1780 Binfield and child of Isaac Wheeler and Ann Jane Dowlin who married in Wokingham in 1774.
(NB Ann Jane Dowlin(g) is shown as Ann Wheeler and Jane Wheeler in different christening records for various children.)
I wish I could cut and paste the relevant IGI URL but RootsChat won't let me! :(
Take a look at www.familysearch.org/search/ - name Wheeler and Batch number C020373.
I'm not sure whether any of this will help you or not!
Good luck!
Therese.
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Thanks Therese. All hugely helpful - but Sandy on another topic (child of Thomas Wheeler) tells me that Meshach was at Murrell Hill in Binfield with Mary Hicks, Richard Wright, and others, not with Elizabeth Wheeler.
And I rather think that Mary Hicks was the cousin of Meshach's father Daniel - so an explanation!
Richard W
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would there be any gillgrass family in the census .all the best haydon
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No Gillgrasses that I can see. Sorry !
Richd
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thank you for looking haydon
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Curious - I thought I had listed the Binfield 1801 census in the Berkshire look-up offers. If I did, I can't find it now!
A Moderator would have removed it if the publisher (Eureka?) complained.
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hi to all on this thread (although its a few years old now and I don't know if youre all still on this site)
im the great great grandson of harriet crockford who lived at crockfords cottage in the mid 1800's. im trying to find out if anyone knows if the cottage still stands and if so where its located in binfield.all I can find is crockfords place which is a fairly new estate
regards dave Layton 07584 432937
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Thanks! That seems likely.
Therese.
Curious - I thought I had listed the Binfield 1801 census in the Berkshire look-up offers. If I did, I can't find it now!
A Moderator would have removed it if the publisher (Eureka?) complained.
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My GG Grandfather William Charles Carter was born in Binfield in 1855, son of Charles Carter and Louisa Dowling.
I have William Carter father of Charles born in Waltham St Lawrence in 1785, the son of Richard Carter and Susannah Halfacre. I found the marriage for Richard and Susannah on FindMyPast Berkshire Marriages at Sonning Berkshire 20 Nov 1775. It states Richard was a resident of White Waltham.
JeanetteM
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Hi JeanetteM
My GG Grandfather was Enoch(Edward) Carter with parents Charles and Louisa. Edward went to Australia in 1874 but can not find his death. I wonder if someone is doing Edward's line. His wife was a widow in 1921. I would like to find out if Edward returned to England and died there before 1921.
Thanks
george165
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Hi George165,
Until seeing one of your posts about Enoch I did not realize that he came to Australia. I cannot find a mention of him in the UK censuses after 1871 and I haven't found an Enoch Carter of the right age on the UK death registrations.
My Great-Grandmother Eleanor was the second child of seven of William Charles Carter and Louisa Nichols. William remarried (Elizabeth Patrick nee Mackrell) after Louisa died and had at least one more child.
JeanetteM
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I thought people who have contributed to this thread may like to know that Berkshire FHS have just produced a CD of Binfield parish records, available via their website.