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Title: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Fleurieu on Friday 31 December 10 06:11 GMT (UK)
Many David Muttons in Cornish Triangle.    David Mutton 20 years old arrived in S.Aust. 1850s.   Anyone related??
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: wivenhoe on Saturday 01 January 11 06:25 GMT (UK)



Do you have some more details please...maybe a marriage, children, death details?  What do you know that places his arrival in the 1850s and age 20 years?
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Saturday 01 January 11 07:36 GMT (UK)
Is this your David MUTTON?  Age at arrival in SA c20 years.

From Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 - not always 100% accurate and there are errors and omissions. 

MUTTON David - Parents David and Elizabeth nee MAY
Born c 1836 Cambourne CON ENG.  Died 20 Aug 1905 Wallaroo Mines SA.  Buried at Kadina.  Arrived 1857 TANTIVY .
0ccupation Miner. Lived at Burra, Wallaroo Mines.  Religion Church of England.
Married 27 May 1862 Kooringa SA Mary nee SHEAHY, parents Patrick. Born c1835 IRL and died 10 Aug 1900 Wallaroo Mines SA.
Children -  John [1863-1881]  Mary Jane WEBB [1864-1937], Susan Ann [1866-], Julie [1869-] Emma [1871-1950].

Cheers
Cando



Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Saturday 01 January 11 07:47 GMT (UK)
Shipping arrival for the TANTIVY in 1857
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0b04/

David MUTTON's death notice in 1905
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0b05/

Have you any other identify information for your David MUTTON?

There is a David MUTTON who arrived in 1847 and another who was a butcher and lived at Yongala, however no passenger information for the latter.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Saturday 01 January 11 07:53 GMT (UK)
Death notice for Mary MUTTON nee SHEAY
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0b06/

Cando
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Fleurieu on Monday 03 January 11 10:11 GMT (UK)
 :-\ Hi Cando, Yes, David Mutton arriving on Tantivy.   (parents  David Mutton and Elizabeth May are "mine").   Only trouble is, two people I know of claim him as "their's".   So, I have been trying to find the right David Mutton, father of Eliza/Elizabeth Mutton who married George Canty. They lived at Wallaroo Mines at the same time as David Mutton who married Mary Sheay.  David Mutton, who went to Yongala does not  fit.  Are you Mr. Hooper?   I have made contact with you before.   Regards, Fleurieu.
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Monday 03 January 11 11:13 GMT (UK)
No I am not Mr Hooper ;D 

According to the marriage index Elizabeth MUTTON's father was William MUTTON.

CANTY George 28 years  Status Single  Father Charles Henry CANTY
MUTTON Elizabeth Jane 21 years  Status Single  Father William MUTTON
25 Oct 1902
At the residence of W Mutton Wallaroo Mine   Dal 213/333

She was the 2nd child of the 11 children born to William MUTTOn and Mary Jane ANDREW/S. 

MUTTON Elizabeth Jane
31 Mar  1881
Father William MUTTON  Mother Mary Jane ANDREWS
At  Kooringa  Bur 258/482

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Aussie1947 on Monday 03 January 11 12:05 GMT (UK)
SA Police Gazette 21st August 1878, p142.
In short..A warrant was issued for the arrest of David Mutton a cornish miner aged 45 years for deserting his wife at Yelta on 25th June last.

In a September 4th 1878 Gazette he had been arrested by Sergeant Bentley.

Gerry
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Tuesday 04 January 11 08:20 GMT (UK)
Is there some confusion? 

Is Elizabeth Jane MUTTON who married George CANTY your ancestor? 

Elizabeth Jane's parents' marriage

Marriage
MUTTON William 21 years  Status Single  Father David MUTTON
ANDREW Mary Jane 17 years  Status Single  Father John ANDREW
24 Jun 1878
At the residence of John Andrew Kooringa   Bur 115/1104

and William's birth

Birth
MUTTON William
5 Apr 1857
Father David MUTTON   Mother Elizabeth NICHOLS
At Kooringa   Bur 12/176

and the marriage of his parents - unfortunately parents' names were not recorded in this period.

MUTTON David  21 years  Status Single 
NICHOLLS Elizabeth 21 years Status Single 
25 Apr 1856
At the residence of Rev W Oldham Kapunda   Ade A 26/261

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Fleurieu on Tuesday 04 January 11 09:47 GMT (UK)
 :)My mother's maiden name was Mutton.   Have been researching and trying to sort this family for many years (among others).   Mum's school friend, Gwen Harvey, (Wallaroo Mines) always believed that they were related and I am trying to sort it out.   The Gwen is from Eliabeth Mutton and George Canty.   My mother is from Edith and Joseph Mutton. :)
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Tuesday 04 January 11 11:29 GMT (UK)
OK :)  Now are the following your family?

Marriages
MUTTON Joseph 31 years  Status Widower  Father Joseph MUTTON
SYMONS Mary Jane 37 years  Status Single  Father William SYMONS
1 May 1886
At the residence of District Registrar Moonta   Dal 147/390


MUTTON Joseph Eddy 24 years Status Single  Father Joseph MUTTON
GRAY Edith Ellen 32 years Status Widower  Father John George GROSE
6 Feb 1909
At the Res of Mrs Edith Ellen Gray Wallaroo Mine   Dal 238/254

You say that the David MUTTON born c1836 with parents David MUTTON and Elizabeth MAY who arrived on the TANTIVY in 1857 is yours....how is he related to your Joseph MUTTON b. c1855 with father Joseph?

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Fleurieu on Thursday 06 January 11 11:14 GMT (UK)
Hi Cando, Joseph Eddy Mutton was my grandfather, he comes from the line of Joseph Muttons.   William Mutton married Hannah Staple in Cornwall and they had several sons, I come from the Joseph line, another son, David,(married Elizabeth May) is the line which I am following.  I have these details. The reason is that a school friend of my Mum's comes from a David Mutton line and I am trying to follow this.   My Mum and this school friend, Gwen, are long dead, so they are of no help.   Gwen and Mum both had brothers who looked so alike that they were taken for brothers, so, this started me on this track to see if there is a connection.    Thanks for your help. :)  I don't have my notes in front of me, so my details to you have been a bit misleading.    I do have details of David and Elizabeth from a Mr. Hooper many years ago, it's just that Gwen claimed him too, and it just doesn't work out, as you can appreciate.   Fleurieu
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Thursday 06 January 11 11:51 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your explanation.

I am puzzled by the reference -

Quote
So, I have been trying to find the right David Mutton, father of Eliza/Elizabeth Mutton who married George Canty.


when the marriage indexes show that Elizabeth's father was William.

CANTY George 28 years  Status Single  Father Charles Henry CANTY
MUTTON Elizabeth Jane 21 years  Status Single  Father William MUTTON
25 Oct 1902
At the residence of W Mutton Wallaroo Mine   Dal 213/333

and yes it doesn't as you say, work out.  Bit late for me but if I get a moment tomorrow will have another look.  Lots of MUTTON's :)  Hopefully others may have some input as well.

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Fleurieu on Thursday 13 January 11 08:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Cando,   I've re-looked the David Muttons.    You see, I don't agree that David Mutton who married Mary Sheahy is the David Mutton, son of David Mutton and Elizabeth May.    I believe David Mutton who married Elizabeth Nicholls is the David Mutton, son of David Mutton and Elizabeth May....................confusing isn't it.    I will only know for sure when I find the mother of William Mutton (married Mary Jane Andrew).    Another researcher feels as you do, but, as I have said previously, another person, school friend with my mum, claims as I have stated above.     To start off with David Mutton and Mary Sheahy did not have a son called William to fit the time line, but David Mutton and Elizabeth Nicholls did. ??? :-\  Both families ended up living in the Cornish Triangle.   Fleurieu
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Thursday 13 January 11 11:03 GMT (UK)
Well if you are confused what do you think I am ;D ::)

I have no thoughts one way or the other. I simply post the records as I find them.

You wrote that you had been trying to find the right David MUTTON, father of Eliza/Elizabeth MUTTON who married George CANTY....however the marriage index shows Eliza/Elizabeth's father to be William MUTTON.

Good luck with the search.

Cheers
Cando



Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Fleurieu on Friday 14 January 11 02:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Cando, yes, that was mis-information on my part - I was working from memory - the wrong thing to do.    ;D.   William Mutton did marry Mary Jane Andrew and their daughter, Eliza Jane Mutton married George Canty.    William's father was David Mutton.  I have a birth certificate for William Mutton, born 5th April, 1857 parents David Mutton and Elizabeth Nicholls...now, this is where the problem lies...On this David and Elizabeth's marriage certificate, it has his father as David Mutton (he made his mark on the certificate, so he was present at the marriage).   But, who was his mother, is the question I ask myself.  :-\    Thanks for all your help....Fleurieu.
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Friday 14 January 11 23:26 GMT (UK)

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Elizabeth Jane's parents' marriage

Marriage
MUTTON William 21 years  Status Single  Father David MUTTON
ANDREW Mary Jane 17 years  Status Single  Father John ANDREW
24 Jun 1878
At the residence of John Andrew Kooringa   Bur 115/1104

and William's birth

Birth
MUTTON William
5 Apr 1857
Father David MUTTON   Mother Elizabeth NICHOLS
At Kooringa   Bur 12/176

and the marriage of his parents - unfortunately parents' names were not recorded in this period.

MUTTON David  21 years  Status Single  [added: from Fleurieu - father David MUTTON}
NICHOLLS Elizabeth 21 years Status Single
25 Apr 1856
At the residence of Rev W Oldham Kapunda   Ade A 26/261

and

Quote
MUTTON David - Parents David and Elizabeth nee MAY.
Born c 1836 Cambourne CON ENG.  Died 20 Aug 1905 Wallaroo Mines SA.  Buried at Kadina.  Arrived 1857 TANTIVY .
0ccupation Miner. Lived at Burra, Wallaroo Mines.  Religion Church of England.
Married 27 May 1862 Kooringa SA Mary nee SHEAHY, parents Patrick. Born c1835 IRL and died 10 Aug 1900 Wallaroo Mines SA.
Children -  John [1863-1881]  Mary Jane WEBB [1864-1937], Susan Ann [1866-], Julie [1869-] Emma [1871-1950].


So we have descendants of both David MUTTONS b. c1835/6 claiming his parents as David MUTTON and Elizabeth MAY.

I have no experience of searching in Cornwall but found the following which may help you.

1841 Census from
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Kerrier, Cornwall   HO107/137/12/15/23
Parish Gwennap
Living at Gordon

MUTTON Jane  30 years   Mine Lab  b.Cornwall     
MUTTON Mary  11 years  b. Cornwall     
MUTTON Grace 8 years  b. Cornwall     
MUTTON David  6 years b. Cornwall     
MUTTON William 4 years  b.Cornwall


Penwith,Cornwall   HO107/142/6/24/10
Parish Illogan
Address -  Pool

MUTTON David 35 years Stone Mason  b.Cornwall     
MUTTON Elizabeth F 35   Cornwall     
MUTTON Hannah 15 years   b. Cornwall     
MUTTON Jane 14 years  b. Cornwall     
MUTTON Joseph 13 years b. Cornwall     
MUTTON William 9 years  b. Cornwall     
MUTTON David 7 years  b.  Cornwall    
MUTTON Maria  4 years b. Cornwall     
MUTTON Charles 2 years  b. Cornwall



Cheers
Cando


Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Friday 14 January 11 23:43 GMT (UK)
Looking for the parents for David MUTTON with mother Jane. 
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/

Banns - 1829  25 Jan, 1 Feb and 8 Feb.
Parish Gwennap
1829
MUTTON David, of the parish, bachelor
WILLIAMS Jane, of the parish, spinster

and possibly the baptism of your David...

Parish Camborn
MUTTON, David
Parish Camborne
16 Apr 1836
Father David [Mason]  Mother   Elizabeth
Residence Illogan

Cando
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Saturday 15 January 11 00:31 GMT (UK)
The MUTTON/WILLIAMS and MUTTON/MAY marriages are on IGI.

I can't see a death for a David MUTTON in South Australia of an age to be the father of a son b. 1835/36.

Were there any witnesses to the MUTTON/NICHOLLS marriage?  Not familiar with SA certs.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Fleurieu on Saturday 15 January 11 11:15 GMT (UK)
Thanks Cando.   Illogan is where my Muttons are from in the 1700s.   In the 1500s they were South Hill - east side of Cornwall.    I have most records, but, your findings of Gwennap parish are of interest.   The witnesses to the Mutton/Nicholls marriage were Stephen Nicholls and Sarah Boundy.  Neither the bride nor groom could read, they made their mark.  The witnesses were able to sign. Thanks for your help.   Fleurieu. :)
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Essie on Sunday 16 January 11 01:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Fleurieu

:)My mother's maiden name was Mutton. Have been researching and trying to sort this family for many years (among others). Mum's school friend, Gwen Harvey, (Wallaroo Mines) always believed that they were related and I am trying to sort it out. The Gwen is from Eliabeth Mutton and George Canty. My mother is from Edith and Joseph Mutton. :)
In summary from the records I have seen, Elizabeth CANTY nee MUTTON was the granddaughter of David born c1835 and Elizabeth nee NICHOLLS who married in 1856.
Joseph Eddy MUTTON was the son of Joseph MUTTON born c1855 whose father was also Joseph. 
Then Joseph Eddy's grandfather and David (married to Elizabeth MAY) were sons of William and Hannah Staple? 


I have tried to analyze all details of this thread but the process of sorting out which David is proving difficult to say the least.

I can see four David MUTTON marriage records from 1854-1866 and I wonder if one David was married twice?
David aged 21 m. Kapunda 1856 to Elizabeth NICHOLS aged 21 – only two children recorded at Kooringa (Burra).  Problem is what happened to Elizabeth nee NICHOLS?
David aged 27 m. Redruth (Burra) 1862 to Mary SHEAY aged 27 – children also born at Kooringa
Looks to me like this David was the same age??

It appears neither of these are relevant.
David m. Eliza CURR*TS  m. 1853 – both died at Yongala
David FL age m. 1866 Kapunda to Mary BIGGIN – children born at Kapunda and Yongala.

I can see two David MUTTON death records and both were born c1835 and both had a wife named Mary.
David aged 64 d. 16 Oct 1899 Adelaide & Mary aged 87 d. 17 May 1926 Adelaide  (ex Yongala so not relevant)
David aged 70 d. 20 Aug 1905 Wallaroo Mines & Mary aged 70 d. 10 Aug 1900 Wallaroo Mines
No death recorded for Elizabeth wife of David MUTTON.

Was Elizabeth MUTTON aged 26 who died 4 Aug 1861 at Kooringa recorded with a husband named Richard actually the wife of David who then married Mary SHEAY in 1862???
Or was it just a coincidence a similar aged Elizabeth MUTTON died at Kooringa five years after the MUTTON & NICHOLLS marriage?
I cannot find a mention of a Richard MUTTON in any other BMDs in SA.

Another researcher seems to think William son of Elizabeth nee NICHOLLS was the son of David who married Mary SHEAY which is what I wondered BEFORE I found this page.  And it does not help any confusion!!!
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=our_families&id=I1354

Essie
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Fleurieu on Sunday 16 January 11 10:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Essie,  :-\ My head is spinning !  Hadn't thought of David marrying twice, but I did wonder why the lack of off-spring.   I have been re-looking at marriages and deaths today and cannot make much headway.   I have two good reasons why I have not believed that the David Mutton who married Mary Sheahy was the son of David Mutton and Elizabeth May. - David and Mary (Sheahy's) children's names do not follow the Cornish tradition of naming.  I have been tracing the Muttons for years and see a pattern for the children's names over the generations; with David and Mary the pattern is not there.   Not absolute proof, I know, but, it is causing me to have doubts.    David and Elizabeth's (Nicholls) children are consistent with names used in previous generations.   My Mum's school friend (who claims David Mutton buried Kadina 1905) to be her GGgrandfather (I have lost count of how many "GGs).   Another researcher, whom I had contact with, back in the 1980s, claims it his "his". :'( .    There must be an answer somewhere :'(.  But there just isn't enough deaths of a David Mutton to fit (as you imply).   Another thing, which, not absolute proof, but Mum and her school friend both had a brother.   These two boys were mistakenly thought to be brothers because they were so much alike.   The families at that time would say "no, not related as far as we know"    How wrong were they, I wonder!   I will ponder the "twice married" idea for a while - it will certainly solve the problem for the two people who claim them!    Thanks for your input.   Fleurieu. ???
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Fleurieu on Monday 17 January 11 10:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Essie, looked again today re. the possibility of David Mutton re-marrying.   I think it has merit.   As you say, no Richard Mutton anywhere.   I have looked through the marriages, deaths, births and found nothing.   The other researcher, which you gave me a link to, is the person to whom I refer.   BUT, David Mutton who married Elizabeth Nicholls did not travel on the Tantivy, cose it arrived too late for the marriage.   So, shipping lists are missing, is the only explanation.   A David Mutton did arrive on the "David Malcolm", 1847, but that is too early and also David Mutton was on the 1851 english census.    Does this take me back to square 1? :'(  Fleurieu 
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Essie on Monday 17 January 11 23:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Fleurieu

A David MUTTON was recorded Oct 1855 from VIC to Adelaide but his age was given as 32!!   
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search_results.asp

SA passenger lists do have errors and omissions so that is a plausible explanation.   Trawling through TROVE might turn up some "Shipping Intelligence" for the mid 1850s.

Essie

Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Friday 26 February 16 06:23 GMT (UK)
I have a Johanna Shea (various spellings) was born 1838 in Kilkenny and her father was Michael a farmer from Kilkenny. No mention of her mother but she had a middle name of Maria?
Johanna listed herself as Judith when she came out to South Australia in 1855 on a ship called the Nashwauk - she could have fudged her age of 19 b 1836-9 (as she was actually 16) this is confirmed in a newspaper report about the shipwreck (she probably lied to get assisted passage as an Irish servant girl).Without a parent you needed to be over 18. A Mary Shea was also on board aged 22 ( also from Kilkenny) b 1833-36 but she could have fudged her age also). Mary could be a sister or cousin. The Nadhwauk was wrecked just off landing and Johanna/Judith was rescued by a mounted police officer who became her husband (John Bentley a mounted policeman).
Johanna/Judith Shea married a Thomas castle in Kooringa in 1858 (witness Nancy Duggan) and left South Australia in 1859 where she had a child with John Bentley in Sydney (118 Clarence street) After she moved to Katoomba she and John had a further 10 children.
Johanna/Judith was possibly related to archbishop Thomas Oshea from New Zealand as he visited Katoomba during an illness. Also a possible connection with a Mary Coogan from Kilkenny who resided at 118 Clarence street Sydney and was married to a James Bentley and had a child at this address in 1860.
I think Mary Mutton was Mary Shea who arrived in SA on the Nashwauk shipwreck in 1855 with her cousin Johanna/Judith!
Any info appreciated? Kind regards Sandra - Australia
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Spike H on Friday 26 February 16 12:32 GMT (UK)
Could this be your Johanna?

Groom; Thomas CASTLE
Bride; Johanna SHAY
Marriage; January 13, 1858 at St Aloysius Chapel Sevenhill
Groom; 25 (1833)
Father; Thomas CASTLE
Bride; 20 (1838)
Father; Michael SHAY
Clare 33/27
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Friday 26 February 16 22:37 GMT (UK)
Yes this is my Johanna! Are you aware if she may be any link to Mary Mutton (Sheahy)?
If Mary Mutton was from Kilkenny in Ireland and her father was Patrick and my Johanna's father was Michael they may have been related? A Judith Shea (Johanna) and Mary Shea came to South Australia in 1855 as Irish servant girls on the ship Nashwauk which was wrecked Port Noaralinga before arriving (Liverpool to Adelaide). Both these girls were from Kilkenny and they both could have fudged their ages to be accepted as assisted immigrants?

Interestingly Thomas Castle was a bogus name for John Bentley ( he was a Protestant and Johanna was a catholic). I know it was a bogus name because it was mentioned in a Supreme Court case in Adelaide during the contesting of a will of Thomas Friend Bentley ( John Bentley's brother). Both John Bentley and his brother Edward were mounted police officers Burra/Redruth/Clare/Kapunda/Kooringa South Australia
Edward stayed in South Australia while Johanna Shea and John Bentley moved to Katoomba nsw and had 10 children together!
Any help appreciated
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Friday 26 February 16 22:43 GMT (UK)
Also I have obtained both marriage certificates of Mary Sheahy 1862 (father Patrick) and Johanna Shay 1858 (father Michael) and they were both living in Kooringa South Australia!
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Spike H on Friday 26 February 16 23:02 GMT (UK)
There is a NSW death for Johanna BENTLEY NSWBDM 1211/1918, father Michael at Katoomba.
Burial for Johanna Maria BENTLEY at Blackheath (Blue Mountains Cemetery Register). DoD 28 Dec 1917. She is buried in the Catholic Section. No sign of him although there are several other Bentleys including Thomas Friend BENTLEY d 1942 aged 81. Possibly a son.
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 27 February 16 01:42 GMT (UK)
Marriage to CASTLE
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/49778220

The romantic tale as part of the obituary of Johanna.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/166853954

I can't, at this stage, locate the item regarding the alias use of the name Thomas CHURCH by John BENTLEY.

Sue
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Saturday 27 February 16 03:22 GMT (UK)
Thank you all John Bentley is buried Little Hartley cemetery ( I think this is because he was not Catholic and possibly never legally married to Johanna). I have everything about all their children and where they all lived in Mount Victoria etc. I need a link to trace Johanna back to Ireland. I think Mary Mutton was related to her? Irish naming patterns indicate Johanna's mother may have been Amelia because this was the name of John Bentley and Johanna shays first born child!
Kind regards Sandra
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: Essie on Saturday 27 February 16 03:46 GMT (UK)
This passenger list names Mary SHEA as coming from Galway.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/nashwauk1855.shtml

Essie
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Saturday 27 February 16 07:41 GMT (UK)
It is incorrect I paid for a copy of the actual passenger list from South Australia which states they both came from Kilkenny!! Kind regards Sandra (Australia)
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Saturday 27 February 16 13:16 GMT (UK)
Sandra perhaps you had better contact the transcriber Robert JANMAAT with your information.
Contact email is on the link on Essie's post.

You are posting on the Australian board and many of us who have replied are South Australians and I for one, would certainly be interested from whom you purchased 'a copy of the actual passenger list'.  The survival rate of passenger lists in SA is rather poor.  Do you mean you have a copy of the original passenger list?  If so lucky you.  SA Records and SLSA have Assisted Passenger lists and the series is also mentioned on the linked list compiled and transcribed by Robert JANMAAT.

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A Judith Shea (Johanna) and Mary Shea came to South Australia in 1855 as Irish servant girls on the ship Nashwauk which was wrecked Port Noaralinga

Port Noarlunga not Noaralinga - the town wasn't surveyed until 1859.  There was only a district named Noarlunga in 1855.  Robert JANMAAT also mentions the wreck near Noarlunga.

I quote from Barry Leadbeater's website.

Only a few original passenger lists survive, so it has been necessary to use other sources. Even these original lists are only as accurate as the literacy of the recorder and passengers supplying their details allowed. The ship manifests are even less accurate because they are transcriptions of the original lists onto the cargo manifests. Similarly, the newspaper listings are transcriptions. The applications for a free passage suffer from the same problems as the original passenger lists. Then there is the difficulty of reading the old handwriting, which sometimes introduces further errors. Some sources are quite unreliable, but have not been excluded because at times they are the only sources of the information. Others only provide given names and maiden names not found elsewhere.



Cando
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Saturday 27 February 16 21:05 GMT (UK)
Thank you The reason I posted here is that I was hoping someone in South Australia may know where Mary Mutton was born?

I am sorry for any misspelling. I should have referred it as The Port Noarlunga jetty (which was constructed in 1855  just prior to the wreck)

(The morning after the wreck the passengers were taken to the newly built Port Noarlunga jetty to be transported aboard the mail steamer “Thomas Melbourne” to be transported to Port Adelaide)

Apparently this jetty was destroyed by bad weather early 1900s and a second jetty was built in its place.

I was confused about the online passenger list not matching up also.

I paid for a copy of the "original passenger list of the Nashwauk" from
Genealogy SA "South Australian Genealogy & Heraldry Society Inc"

SRSA
Nominal list of Emigrants on board the Nashwauk dispatched from Liverpool for Adelaide SA GRG 35/48A/1855/16
 
Also The book "Servants Depot's" (by Marie Steiner) has these two passengers being both from Kilkenny. (The matron in charge of the girls apparently was notorious for transcribing the names incorrectly).

Kind regards Sandra (Wollongong NSW)
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Saturday 27 February 16 22:13 GMT (UK)
Thank you.  Forgot that SAGHS have copies of the SRSA original records for assisted immigrants.

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SRSA
Nominal list of Emigrants on board the Nashwauk dispatched from Liverpool for Adelaide SA GRG 35/48A/1855/16

http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/content/our-catalogue

and

http://guides.slsa.sa.gov.au/archivessearch

The info may help others reading this thread.

Your copy of the nominal list has the same information as the transcribed ShipsList passenger list?

Your personal profile has a place to record your location :)

Cheers  :)
Cando
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Tuesday 19 July 16 07:40 BST (UK)
Hello can someone please tell me where the following information came from?
"MUTTON David - Parents David and Elizabeth nee MAY. 
Born c 1836 Cambourne CON ENG.  Died 20 Aug 1905 Wallaroo Mines SA.  Buried at Kadina.  Arrived 1857 TANTIVY .
0ccupation Miner. Lived at Burra, Wallaroo Mines.  Religion Church of England.
Married 27 May 1862 Kooringa SA Mary nee SHEAHY, parents Patrick. Born c1835 IRL and died 10 Aug 1900 Wallaroo Mines SA.
Children -  John [1863-1881]  Mary Jane WEBB [1864-1937], Susan Ann [1866-], Julie [1869-] Emma [1871-1950"
Most records have Mary nee Sheahy born in England.
Where would I find the above record?
Kind Regards
Sandra
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Tuesday 19 July 16 08:41 BST (UK)
You have copied and pasted my reply#2 which gives you the source of the information.

Cando
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Tuesday 19 July 16 09:04 BST (UK)
Hi Cando I'm sorry is it
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/?
Thank you
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Tuesday 19 July 16 10:46 BST (UK)
Hi Cando I'm interested in the following quote from you

"Mary nee SHEAHY, parents Patrick. Born c1835 IRL"

Please How can I find this information?

Kind Regards
Sandra
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: cando on Tuesday 19 July 16 11:35 BST (UK)
I transcribed information from

Quote
Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 - not always 100% accurate and there are errors and omissions.

The above source is clearly written in reply#2

Sorry I cannot help you with a birth in Ireland in 1835. 

Cando
Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Sunday 23 April 17 23:54 BST (UK)
May or may not be relevant but
One of the first posts here

"SA Police Gazette 21st August 1878, p142.
In short..A warrant was issued for the arrest of David Mutton a cornish miner aged 45 years for deserting his wife at Yelta on 25th June last.

In a September 4th 1878 Gazette he had been arrested by Sergeant Bentley.

Gerry"

Mentions Bentley (whom I am descendant from).
The Bentley's were located in Kooringa /Burra and Kadina/Moonta! They lived on Robert Street in Moonta backing on to Caroline Street!
Interestingly Mary Mutton (nee Shea/Sheahy) and David Mutton had a daughter named Mary Jane (Polly) who married a Charles Webb. This Mary Webb nee Mutton died in Robert Street Moonta in 1938!
I am feeling quite certain that Mary Mutton nee Sheahy (the wife of David Mutton) is also a descendant of mine. Maryb1833 came out on the Nashwauk in 1855 as an Irish servant girl with a relative named Johanna/Judith Shea. They were both from Kilkenny Ireland! Johanna married John Bentley mounted police trooper of SA ( the same Bentley mentioned in the above earlier post)!
Interestingly the surname "May" also appears in Irish registers!

Title: Re: Which David MUTTON is which
Post by: sandralost on Monday 24 April 17 00:08 BST (UK)
The Bentley family I am descendant from were James Bentley and Elizabeth Chatterton London to SA on the ship Cheapside 1849!
They and their children were residents/miners in Kooringa/Burra and Kadina/Moonta
James (miner) and Fanny Bentley are buried In Moonta.
William Bentley was local photographer who worked between Kooringa and Moonta
Rosetta married into Nankervis family (miner from Cornwall). Rosetta is buried with her parents in Kadina!
John and Edward were mounted police officers Port Elliot to Pirt Pirie!
Henry was publican/owner of the Bentley hotel in Clare (which still exists)
James was storekeeper in Kooringa
The Bentley's had land from 1866 in Robert and Caroline Street Moonta! I have the land records.
The Muttons also lived in Robert and Caroline Streets Moonta!