Which David MUTTON is which

[Fleurieu]

 :)My mother's maiden name was Mutton.   Have been researching and trying to sort this family for many years (among others).   Mum's school friend, Gwen Harvey, (Wallaroo Mines) always believed that they were related and I am trying to sort it out.   The Gwen is from Eliabeth Mutton and George Canty.   My mother is from Edith and Joseph Mutton.

[cando]

OK   Now are the following your family?

Marriages
MUTTON Joseph 31 years  Status Widower  Father Joseph MUTTON
SYMONS Mary Jane 37 years  Status Single  Father William SYMONS
1 May 1886
At the residence of District Registrar Moonta   Dal 147/390


MUTTON Joseph Eddy 24 years Status Single  Father Joseph MUTTON
GRAY Edith Ellen 32 years Status Widower  Father John George GROSE
6 Feb 1909
At the Res of Mrs Edith Ellen Gray Wallaroo Mine   Dal 238/254

You say that the David MUTTON born c1836 with parents David MUTTON and Elizabeth MAY who arrived on the TANTIVY in 1857 is yours....how is he related to your Joseph MUTTON b. c1855 with father Joseph?

Cheers
Cando

[Fleurieu]

Hi Cando, Joseph Eddy Mutton was my grandfather, he comes from the line of Joseph Muttons.   William Mutton married Hannah Staple in Cornwall and they had several sons, I come from the Joseph line, another son, David,(married Elizabeth May) is the line which I am following.  I have these details. The reason is that a school friend of my Mum's comes from a David Mutton line and I am trying to follow this.   My Mum and this school friend, Gwen, are long dead, so they are of no help.   Gwen and Mum both had brothers who looked so alike that they were taken for brothers, so, this started me on this track to see if there is a connection.    Thanks for your help.   I don't have my notes in front of me, so my details to you have been a bit misleading.    I do have details of David and Elizabeth from a Mr. Hooper many years ago, it's just that Gwen claimed him too, and it just doesn't work out, as you can appreciate.   Fleurieu

[cando]

Thank you for your explanation.

I am puzzled by the reference -

So, I have been trying to find the right David Mutton, father of Eliza/Elizabeth Mutton who married George Canty.

when the marriage indexes show that Elizabeth's father was William.

CANTY George 28 years  Status Single  Father Charles Henry CANTY
MUTTON Elizabeth Jane 21 years  Status Single  Father William MUTTON
25 Oct 1902
At the residence of W Mutton Wallaroo Mine   Dal 213/333

and yes it doesn't as you say, work out.  Bit late for me but if I get a moment tomorrow will have another look.  Lots of MUTTON's   Hopefully others may have some input as well.

Cheers
Cando

[Fleurieu]

Hi Cando,   I've re-looked the David Muttons.    You see, I don't agree that David Mutton who married Mary Sheahy is the David Mutton, son of David Mutton and Elizabeth May.    I believe David Mutton who married Elizabeth Nicholls is the David Mutton, son of David Mutton and Elizabeth May....................confusing isn't it.    I will only know for sure when I find the mother of William Mutton (married Mary Jane Andrew).    Another researcher feels as you do, but, as I have said previously, another person, school friend with my mum, claims as I have stated above.     To start off with David Mutton and Mary Sheahy did not have a son called William to fit the time line, but David Mutton and Elizabeth Nicholls did.   Both families ended up living in the Cornish Triangle.   Fleurieu

[cando]

Well if you are confused what do you think I am

I have no thoughts one way or the other. I simply post the records as I find them.

You wrote that you had been trying to find the right David MUTTON, father of Eliza/Elizabeth MUTTON who married George CANTY....however the marriage index shows Eliza/Elizabeth's father to be William MUTTON.

Good luck with the search.

Cheers
Cando

[Fleurieu]

Hi Cando, yes, that was mis-information on my part - I was working from memory - the wrong thing to do.    .   William Mutton did marry Mary Jane Andrew and their daughter, Eliza Jane Mutton married George Canty.    William's father was David Mutton.  I have a birth certificate for William Mutton, born 5th April, 1857 parents David Mutton and Elizabeth Nicholls...now, this is where the problem lies...On this David and Elizabeth's marriage certificate, it has his father as David Mutton (he made his mark on the certificate, so he was present at the marriage).   But, who was his mother, is the question I ask myself.      Thanks for all your help....Fleurieu.

[cando]

Elizabeth Jane's parents' marriage

Marriage
MUTTON William 21 years  Status Single  Father David MUTTON
ANDREW Mary Jane 17 years  Status Single  Father John ANDREW
24 Jun 1878
At the residence of John Andrew Kooringa   Bur 115/1104

and William's birth

Birth
MUTTON William
5 Apr 1857
Father David MUTTON   Mother Elizabeth NICHOLS
At Kooringa   Bur 12/176

and the marriage of his parents - unfortunately parents' names were not recorded in this period.

MUTTON David  21 years  Status Single  [added: from Fleurieu - father David MUTTON}
NICHOLLS Elizabeth 21 years Status Single
25 Apr 1856
At the residence of Rev W Oldham Kapunda   Ade A 26/261

and

MUTTON David - Parents David and Elizabeth nee MAY.
Born c 1836 Cambourne CON ENG.  Died 20 Aug 1905 Wallaroo Mines SA.  Buried at Kadina.  Arrived 1857 TANTIVY .
0ccupation Miner. Lived at Burra, Wallaroo Mines.  Religion Church of England.
Married 27 May 1862 Kooringa SA Mary nee SHEAHY, parents Patrick. Born c1835 IRL and died 10 Aug 1900 Wallaroo Mines SA.
Children -  John [1863-1881]  Mary Jane WEBB [1864-1937], Susan Ann [1866-], Julie [1869-] Emma [1871-1950].

So we have descendants of both David MUTTONS b. c1835/6 claiming his parents as David MUTTON and Elizabeth MAY.

I have no experience of searching in Cornwall but found the following which may help you.

1841 Census from
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Kerrier, Cornwall   HO107/137/12/15/23
Parish Gwennap
Living at Gordon

MUTTON Jane  30 years   Mine Lab  b.Cornwall     
MUTTON Mary  11 years  b. Cornwall     
MUTTON Grace 8 years  b. Cornwall     
MUTTON David  6 years b. Cornwall     
MUTTON William 4 years  b.Cornwall


Penwith,Cornwall   HO107/142/6/24/10
Parish Illogan
Address -  Pool

MUTTON David 35 years Stone Mason  b.Cornwall     
MUTTON Elizabeth F 35   Cornwall     
MUTTON Hannah 15 years   b. Cornwall     
MUTTON Jane 14 years  b. Cornwall     
MUTTON Joseph 13 years b. Cornwall     
MUTTON William 9 years  b. Cornwall     
MUTTON David 7 years  b.  Cornwall    
MUTTON Maria  4 years b. Cornwall     
MUTTON Charles 2 years  b. Cornwall



Cheers
Cando

[cando]

Looking for the parents for David MUTTON with mother Jane. 
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/

Banns - 1829  25 Jan, 1 Feb and 8 Feb.
Parish Gwennap
1829
MUTTON David, of the parish, bachelor
WILLIAMS Jane, of the parish, spinster

and possibly the baptism of your David...

Parish Camborn
MUTTON, David
Parish Camborne
16 Apr 1836
Father David [Mason]  Mother   Elizabeth
Residence Illogan

Cando