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I have been sorting old photos all evening and came across this stern looking woman. Can you experts date her?
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Looking at this site http://www.cartes.fsnet.co.uk/date/main.htm
the headdress seems more 1870s but I would say the dress was more early 1880s.
Debbie ;)
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Thanks
Jane
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Hi
You could try this site http://www.rogerco.freeserve.co.uk/ dont know if it will help
Regards
Ken
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Hi Jane
Hope you dont mind me working on the photo.
Regards
Ken
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:)
Ken
Mind! I am delighted
Jane
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Hi Jane.
What makes you think she is old ? She doesn't look that old to me. Perhaps 40ish ?
I think the date is more like 1890. The head covering is very similar to that shown in photographs of Florence Nightingale and Queen Victoria in their old age --- that is, 1890ish.
The costume's 'upper-body' is consistent with that, and I think that possibly the (earlier-seeming) fullness of the 'skirt' may have more to do with the stoutness of the lady and her being seated.
regards, PERCY
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The "Get-Up" the lady wore, reminds me of pictures of Queen Victoria at the end of 19th Century / turn of the 20th century.
The faded name G. Schofield; is that the stern looking lady's name in the photo or the photographer's name?
If you can decipher the street address beginning with letter "M" you could check through Kelly's Trade Directories for a portrait photographer in business in 1880's & 1890's and check out the trades and professions in the Nottingham street in the written on the photo (it's blurred and smudged but you may be able to read the original street address written on the photo with a magnifying glass).
I checked Kelly's Nottingham trades directory for 1904 and no photographer in a street beginning with the letter "M' and no photography shop just a litho artist, Douglas Needham on Maples Street.
So it looks like this photo was taken before 1904.
You would need to have many Kelly Directories in consecutive years, say between 1880 - 1900 and from dates the photographer was in business you can come up with a date range that the photo was taken.
BTW, some old photos on my Mum's side of the family were taken at Staffordshire photographer's shop and they are all dressed up like ladies and gents. I think the photographer would supply the clothes as I don't think they were all that posh. Costumes in photography shops may be years old and out of style to a follower of fashion.
Andy_T
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The faded name G. Schofield; is that the stern looking lady's name in the photo or the photographer's name?
It is the photographer’s name.
If the OP is still seeking answers after 14 years, searching the censuses for Schofield in Nottingham might be a quicker way to get an estimate of dates he worked.
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You may also get some additional expert opinions from the (absolutely wonderful) Photo Restoration Board here.
You could post a link to this thread, or ask a moderator to move it for you.
And even if you don't want to do either of those things, I recommend a little browse of the threads there which are endlessly interesting...... :D
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You may also get some additional expert opinions from the (absolutely wonderful) Photo Restoration Board here.
You could post a link to this thread, or ask a moderator to move it for you.
And even if you don't want to do either of those things, I recommend a little browse of the threads there which are endlessly interesting...... :D
14 year old thread!
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From the cap, sleeves, and bodice, I'd go 1890s - if not very early 1900s. Remember, people didn't ditch outfits as soon as fashion moved on, they wore what they had, and if the quality was good, they'd last for ages.
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Even though the original post is from 14 years ago and so far no conclusion or feedback about the date of the photo. I am still interested to know the answer.
Andy_T
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Even though the original post is from 14 years ago and so far no conclusion or feedback about the date of the photo. I am still interested to know the answer.
Andy_T
The concensus is that the outfit is 1890s (as mentioned a couple of times). If she was wearing an old dress, it might be later.
It is usually recommended that when posting a photo for dating, you include all edges and the back of the photo. If the OP is still not satisfied with the estimates given 14 years ago, she should re-post the photo and include the edges and back, and the dating may be able to be given a little more accurately.
Andy, if you are interested in the date of this particular photo there are several sites which give help/instruction for dating old photographs. I don’t have them to hand at present, but I am sure that google will throw up lots of results if you enter some appropriate search terms.
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You may also get some additional expert opinions from the (absolutely wonderful) Photo Restoration Board here.
You could post a link to this thread, or ask a moderator to move it for you.
And even if you don't want to do either of those things, I recommend a little browse of the threads there which are endlessly interesting...... :D
14 year old thread!
Goodness me! It’s these posts popping up on the bottom of the page, isn’t it!
My comments still stand though 😃
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From enlarging it to 300%, I think the street address is 5 Cobden Chambers, Pelham Street.
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arthurk: There was a photographer's studio at the address you gave "in the 1800's according to this link:
https://beesmakehoneycc.com/2014/03/06/cobden-chambers-reclaiming-nottingham/
There was another photographer on Pelham Street in 1893 (not George Schofield):
Wednesday 08 February 1893 The Nottingham Evening Post advertisement:
“ Youth wanted, just left school. - Apply E. P. Short, Photographer, Britannia Chambers, Pelham-Street. “
I tried enlarging the "stern lady" photo but writing is so smudged it's hard to be sure.
I found Photographer George Schofield in Nottingham Census records and in Wright's Trade Directory. and he worked as a photographer. He variously described himself at different times starting out as a Designer, then a Photographer, a Draper & Hosier & Outfitter.
Perhaps he bobbed about between these occupations all at the same time. If so, that's not helpful to date the photo.
If we take the dates and occupations given below strictly then I would conclude the photo was taken
between dates 1891 - 1894.
George Schofield Born 1856, Nottingham
1881 Census Event place Nottingham St Nicholas, Residence St James Street, Age 25, Occupation Designer (Page 5, Registration No RG11, Piece / Folio 3367/6)
1891 Census Event Place Nottingham St Mary, Residence Shakespeare Street, Age 35, Occupation Photographer (Page 11, Registration NO RG12, Piece / Folio 2692 / 101)
1894 – 1895, Wrights’ Directory Nottingham George Schofield Hosier and Outfitter 59 Queens Road, Nottingham. (See attached; I marked George Schofield with yellow mark - His father John Schofield, Boot Maker in St James St is on line 2 below George)
1901 Census Event place Nottingham, St Wilfreds Wilford, Residence Wilford Crescent End, Age 44, Occupation Draper Shopkeeper (Page 15, Schedule Type 95)
Andy_T