What does the writing that is upside down say?
Something about Baby's birthday and a 1918 date?
Also, I am not convinced that is says 'Sonia' . . .
I see down the side it says " from the studios of Dura Ltd"
Wonder if that will lead us to a part of the country
My partner suggested maybe Baby was a third child? with the photo being taken on the day the baby was born. The photo being taken and sent to the father from the two older children - Dora and Glyn - with the youngest of the two, Glyn being aged 1 year and 5 months at the time?
I thought the bear was named Glyn ???
I wonder if it says
'With dearest love & x's to our darling Daddie from your loving little daughter & sonnie
Dora and Glyn'
Thus the younger child is Glyn (looks like a girl, but all babies wore dresses )and not the bear!!
Glyn is very much a Welsh name (looking at births in 1917ish)
So we need one with a corresponding Dora as sister . . . .
But I may be wrong, though the more I look at it te more convinced I am - esp the ie at the end of Daddie and Sonnie
I've been through the Birth index on FreeBMD and compared records for
Glyn/Glyndwr Q1 and Q2 1918 in Wales,
against the Doras from Q1 1913 to Q4 1918 in Wales,
and cannot find records that match all the surname, mothers name and district.
The lady dealing with this at Bristol Airport is sending us a copy of the photograph itself, so I'll post that up once we receive it.
That should hopefully give us a few more clues. :)
Trystan
Come on lady from Bristol.......we're on tenterhooks here ;)
Hi Trystan
Thanks of the email and also the telephone call. Really appreciate any help you can give to this.
As promised the photo of the postcard/photo as attached.
Many thanks once again,
Kindest regards
Jacqui
I'm wondering whether the photo was taken on Glyn's first birthday ......and he is now 1 year and 5 months old......I think this might be the case.
Could the Bear have been on Antiques road show it looks familiar?
Re the Antiques road show comment why would the bear be at an airport with it's photo ? Were the owners travelling back from a filming venue?hey goldy wonder if the wee bear had a passport? ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have found 69 births for Glyn* born Wales in March 1918. If he was born on the 4th of March his birth is likely to have been registered in the first quarter rather than the second... or so you would expect. :-\
Reading Liz's thoughts earlier, I think I need to go recap ...
Hi
I have found these BC'S it may, or may not be them, different area's, and the common names, but I thought I would post it anyway
Glyn Brooks
Oct Qtr 1914 Swansea
Dora B Brooks
Oct Qtr 1916 Rhayader
Mothers maiden name Evans
Margp
I'm really baffled by the wording on the back of the photo, it just doesn't make sense, ' With dearest love 9 x's to OUR darling daddie from your loving little daughter 7 Sonnie'Signed Dora & Glyn
Okay, I take 9 x's to mean 9 kisses...strange number! It states, to OUR darling Daddie, implying two children are sending this. It then goes on to say it's from YOUR loving little daughter, implying one daughter is sending it. And what's '7 Sonnie?' Is that really Sonnie? It's then signed, Dora & Glyn. I had thought that Glyn was a male name unless it's short for Glynis :-\
Jane
Okay, I take 9 x's to mean 9 kisses...strange number!
Okay, I take 9 x's to mean 9 kisses...strange number!
I'm really baffled by the wording on the back of the photo, it just doesn't make sense, ' With dearest love 9 x's to OUR darling daddie from your loving little daughter 7 Sonnie'Signed Dora & Glyn
Okay, I take 9 x's to mean 9 kisses...strange number! It states, to OUR darling Daddie, implying two children are sending this. It then goes on to say it's from YOUR loving little daughter, implying one daughter is sending it. And what's '7 Sonnie?' Is that really Sonnie? It's then signed, Dora & Glyn. I had thought that Glyn was a male name unless it's short for Glynis :-\
Jane
Doesnt Anyone else think (like me) that it simply means that the photo is 1 yr 5 mths old?
Taken on Baby's birthday, March 4th 1918.
I thought this meant that Glyn was the baby.
His birthday was March 4th 1918.
The photo was taken on his first birthday ....
Ignoring what's already been written, how old do both the children look?
Trystan
Could it have been a photo of the Daddie ;)
I see a baby on that pendant. :) (nice closeup ;))
Going back to Liz's posting #4, is the spelling, daddie & Sonnie a Welsh thing?
Jane
So are we looking for 3 children -- Dora Glyn and "Baby" ?
The photo was taken on what would have been the now-deceased Baby's birthday and the mug & locket are momentoes of him/her?
the little girl holding the bear seems to have little silver buckles on her shoes,Im just wondering if there could be a scottish connection?maybe the little girl wore those shoes with a little kilt? or did little girls of that era throughout Britain wear shoes with little silver buckles?any ideas?
...the younger child has shorter socks and girlie shoes and not boots and is wearing white socks not dark ones often seen in photos of this era on boys..
Carol
Plus ssaying from "your daughter & son Dora & Glyn" implies the girl is the elder child -- otherwise surely the son would be mentioned first?
I read it as
"With dearest love & X's to our
darling Daddie from your loving
little daughter & sonnie
Dora & Glyn
Taken on Baby's birthday, March 4th 1918.
one year & 5 months old."
- Trystan (or someone) - could you get back to the Bristol people and get a hi-res scan of the mug (is there an engraving on it?) and the locket (is it really a baby or just a cameo).
I'd say the main section (right side up) was written by Mummie with the kids present. The upside-down part was probably added by Mummie afterwards (perhaps the kids are in bed) before posting.
Probably not significant but an interesting thought.
As promised the photo of the postcard/photo as attached.
Taken on babys first birthday March 4th 1918.
Has anyone noticed that the date at the bottom of card is written as "March 4th, 1918" as opposed to 4 March 1918?
Here in the US, the first is correct but isn't the correct way in the UK the second version?
Wonder if the writer was American...?
Has anyone noticed that the date at the bottom of card is written as "March 4th, 1918" as opposed to 4 March 1918?
Here in the US, the first is correct but isn't the correct way in the UK the second version?
Wonder if the writer was American...?
I don't know if this has been mentioned but the bears aren't the same.The ears are different & one has a mouth while the other doesn't.
They could be props as with young children who tend to fidget it's a common trick to give them something to hold to keep them still.Any movement would cause blurring.
I still think the bears are different
This story was on BBC Breakfast this morning but it's not available on iplayer.
Trystan, Is it possible to ask for a photo of the bear as it is now without the photo on his lap.
I am 90% sure it is the same bear, but would like to see his tummy compared to the photo before I committ myself
Person who lost the bear may have been a visitor to the airport rather than a traveller.
How uncanny that in the last two weeks BRISTOL Hippodrome have been advertising their new show
"DORA the Explorer" ~ Dora has lost her TEDDY BEAR Osito, and the search is on to find him!
claire
How uncanny that in the last two weeks BRISTOL Hippodrome have been advertising their new show
"DORA the Explorer" ~ Dora has lost her TEDDY BEAR Osito, and the search is on to find him!
claire
There is a marriage for Dora E. Baker to Sidney J. Holland in 1937 Caerleon, Monmouthshire....Not sure about this one though ::)
Carol
How about this family........
Nicholas GLYN Baker, died Newport Sept 1986, vol 28, page 395........date of birth 4th Oct 1916 (This date of birth ties in with the birthday of the baby, being 1 year and 5 months old at the time the photo was taken on 4th March 1918)
Nicholas GLYN Baker, born OND qtr 1916, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, vol 11a, page 82. Mothers name Willey.
Dora E Baker, born June qtr 1914, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Vol 11a, Page 108. Mothers maiden name Willey.
:)
Having said that I'm not at all sure it's the same bear ::) So it probably is an advertising campaign but on the other hand the photo's genuine and these are possibly the children.
How uncanny that in the last two weeks BRISTOL Hippodrome have been advertising their new show
"DORA the Explorer" ~ Dora has lost her TEDDY BEAR Osito, and the search is on to find him!
Hmmmmm.......anybody else out there starting to wonder if its just part of a well crafted advertising campaign?
Just recapping here;
Nicholas James Baker died 15/8/1918 at Baghdad. Married Florence Edith Baker Q2 1908, Pontypridd. This ties in with the probate calendar entry.
Children;
Kenneth George Q1 1910 Abergavenny Died 1913.
Dora E Q2 1914 Abergavenny
Nicholas Glyn Q4 1916 Abergavenny
The ages of the two children in the photo seem to fit with this family, 4 for the little girl & about 2 for, what now might be a boy...Nicholas Glyn. Probably called him Glyn to differentiate between father & son.
In this context the writing on the postcard makes a little more sense, 'With dearest love & kisses to our darling Daddie from your loving daughter & Sonnie. Signed Dora & Glyn'.
Dora being the 4 year old daughter & Sonnie the bear????
Speculation I know :)
Jane
"DORA the Explorer" ~ Dora has lost her TEDDY BEAR Osito, and the search is on to find him!"
It's just a bit too coincidental, I think. So, is the airport part of the scam or has it been taken advantage of?
I don't think it is a PR stunt, or even a coincidence. They could be raising it now just because they saw the theatre show advertised and it reminded them about their lost bear and phot
Milly
Whether this story is a set up or not, I just wanted to give Hampshire Lass some kudos for finding the likely candidates for Dora and Glyn - some excellent sleuthing!
Is there any way to find out if Kenneth George's birthdate was 14 March? It makes the most sense to me that Glyn is "Sonnie" (just a cute way to of saying son) and "Baby" is Kenneth George who was also in the locket.
Cheers
Helen
Thanks for the summary.
I don't think we can state exactly what/who we need to look for as there are so many possibilities and different suggestions.
Here is a picture from The Huffington Post, of Bear showing his tummy. Their report says an expert looked at the bear and thought he might be German or French. He didn't say he thought it might not be the bear in the photo. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/04/100-year-old-teddy-bear-abandoned-bristol-airport-pictures_n_3382584.html?utm_hp_ref=uk?ncid=GEP
This photo made me wonder if the bear is a fake, but I don't think an expert would give his name to an interview if there was a chance that was the case.
I ...Like Hampshire Lass...have given nearly all our day looking for a match for this Family and I hate the idea that people would think it was as scam...A lot of well meaning people have given their time here to help reunited a Family with a lost treasure....Have a heart ::)
Carol
No, I don't think this is a publicity stunt, Trystan has been in touch with the lady dealing with it at Bristol airport. They would lose a lot of credability if it was & I can think of better ways of publicising the airport :)
Jane
Why would they leave a photo?
MJB
Well done to Hampshire Lass for her excellent detective work and finding Baby Kenneth, Dora and Nicholas Glyn and to everyone one else who investigated. This has been a interesting thread! ;D I hope it's proved to be the Baker family's bear.I agree, thumbs up to Hampshire Lass and thumbs down if Dora the Explorer is a big spanner! ( D the E even makes it to NZ Sprutorch9 :D )
Would doubt that anyone would dream up such an elaborate PR stunt just to publicize a children's theatre show. I think the Dora the Explorer show is just an uncanny co-incidence.
Looby
In the meantime, if anyone comes across other candidates for Dora and Glyn please share :)
Has anyone thought that the bear and the photo were not claimed or reported lost because the person who lost them was elderly and either forgot about them or got ill and couldn't claim them. :'(
Probably flew to an unknown address in Australia from Bristol Airport about a year ago ;D
I don't think Bristol airport has flights to Oz so rules out that continent & north & south America...just the rest of the world to search ;D
Jane
Waiting for words of wisdom from Trystan but perhaps he's still asleep...shhhhhhh :)
Jane
I don't think Bristol airport has flights to Oz so rules out that continent & north & south America...just the rest of the world to search ;D
Jane
Are you kidding tedscout :o ? Really, this bear is on its way to Bristol? Tell us the story if you're not pulling our collective legs ??? Jane
I see down the side it says " from the studios of Dura Ltd"
Wonder if that will lead us to a part of the country
This website seems to show that Dura Ltd had a number of addresses in different towns - there is a Wales link!
http://www.victorianphotographers.co.uk/index.php?searchStr=Dura+Ltd&_a=viewCat&Submit=
I thought it said August ???
Carol
Nice work H.L....I wonder if he or his wife are on F.B?
Carol
Thanks for the further information, it does seem to be leading the same way. Brilliant work.
As promised please find attached a scanned copy of the photo.
Thanks so much and please pass on my thanks to all concerned.
. From the site there only seem to be 5 studios that were operating in the time frame we want (1918) Newport, Mon, Swansea, Bridgend, Glam, Merthyr Tydfil & Pontypridd.
I'm no expert on Wales but the Baker's address in 1911 & 1918 was in Blaenavon, Mon & looking at a map the Merthyr Tydfil studio appears to be the nearest.
Nicholas James Baker died in Mesapotania ( Greece) 11 days after the photo was taken.
I would guess that the card was never sent to Daddie.
Was it written after his death and kept with the teddy?
Well, we've gone over our allotted 20 odd pages, do we all turn into pumpkins Trystan ;D ;D ;D
Nicholas James Baker died in Mesapotania ( Greece) 11 days after the photo was taken.
I would guess that the card was never sent to Daddie.
Was it written after his death and kept with the teddy?
That seems like quite a good theory. Or written before they knew he was dead and not posted?
Milly
Well, we've gone over our allotted 20 odd pages, do we all turn into pumpkins Trystan ;D ;D ;D
Hiya Pumpkin,
We're letting this one run as long as it needs to be as there are so many incoming links to this story. :)
Fellow Pumpkin
The photo was taken on 4 March 1918 which was 'Baby's' birthday and it was presumably taken in Wales, if this is the correct family. Baby was presumably Kenneth G.
Just a thought Trystan but if we think we're now researching the right lead might it be an idea to sumarise the facts we have and start a new thread.Probably better not to start a new topic - it gets confusing for newcomers and guests.
In reply to Milly's query (reply #266) :)
Burial's in Parish of Blaenavon - 1913
Kenneth George Baker, Thornbank, Tonmawr
Burial date : February 24th, Age : 2 years
Pels.
Sep 1937 Caerleon 11a 705
Baker, Dora E and Holland, Sidney J
[And because people forget, I'll just add a reminder here:
to read long topics, just click on the "Print" button - it wont actually be printed, but the whole topic will be displayed on one page (without any images), which is also handy for searching ....
http://www.rootschat.com/help/faqs.php#long_topicsBob
The postcard says the pic was taken on 4 Aug 1918
How long does the studio take to develop the photo as a postcard?
Nicholas James Baker died in Mesapotania ( Greece) 11 days after the photo was taken.
So, who was 'Baby' on whose birthday the photo was taken? Did 'Baby' = Glyn and by birthday his mother just meant it was the same day of the month [the 4th] as his birth?
So, who was 'Baby' on whose birthday the photo was taken? Did 'Baby' = Glyn and by birthday his mother just meant it was the same day of the month [the 4th] as his birth?
Thats how I see it Erato :)
UPDATED RECAP:
PHOTO
We don't know what is on the Tankard as we still don't have a high res photo of it
We think it is the same bear who has had most bits repaired over the years.
Do we have them in the 1911?
Not sure if I've missed it, but do we know anything about the bag that the bear and photo were in - was anything else there, etc., etc. Type/make might give a hint to origin.
Do we have them in the 1911?
I think we have all looked at 1911, but are reticent to post the details because of the 1911 ban!
Hi - yes we do have that birth. It's the right one (we think) but is a little late to fit with the birthday of 4th March inscription which is disappointing
Milly
Hi - yes we do have that birth. It's the right one (we think) but is a little late to fit with the birthday of 4th March inscription which is disappointing
Milly
but surely if the registration took place on 1st April say, it would be well within the time limits but fall into the June quarter?
sorry, lost track of the other constraints! ???
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ugc/
Some one with our man in his tree.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ugc/
Some one with our man in his tree.
UPDATED RECAP:
PHOTO
We don't know what is on the Tankard as we still don't have a high res photo of it
We think it is the same bear who has had most bits repaired over the years.
I wonder why Glyn has the tankard. I would have thought a toy unless the tankard had some meaning to their father?
Even though Ive followed the thread from the start I still keep getting lost :)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ugc/
Some one with our man in his tree.
The owner of the tree is in Canada! :) But their page was last updated November 11, 2008 :(
Has anyone tried to contacting him yet?
Has anyone followed through Bessie Willey's marriage and family etc.
She married William John Waters Dec. Qtr. 1911
a son THOMAS H Waters bn March Qtr 1914 Abergavenny
and an obit in the Western Mail Tuesday April 1st 1924,
March.29th, at Ingledene, Tonmawr-Avenue, Blaenavon, Bessie the beloved wife of William John WATERS, and elder daughter of the late George WILLEY, Thornbank, Caerphilly. Funeral Thursday April.3rd, at 4.p.m.
claire
Has anyone followed through Bessie Willey's marriage and family etc.
She married William John Waters Dec. Qtr. 1911
a son THOMAS H Waters bn March Qtr 1914 Abergavenny
and an obit in the Western Mail Tuesday April 1st 1924,
March.29th, at Ingledene, Tonmawr-Avenue, Blaenavon, Bessie the beloved wife of William John WATERS, and elder daughter of the late George WILLEY, Thornbank, Caerphilly. Funeral Thursday April.3rd, at 4.p.m.
claire
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ugc/
Some one with our man in his tree.
Tracing Dora forward there are two marriages in Monmouthshire which look possible: (she may have married out of area or not married at all of course)
Sep 1937 Caerleon 11a 705 (UPDATE: THIS MARRIAGE DISCOUNTED)
Baker, Dora E and Holland, Sidney J
Mar 1948 Newport 8c 555
Baker, Dora E and Steele, George W
Milly
I've looked at the marriage for Dora to Mr Steele.
There are no births in the England & Wales index for this marriage, neither are there any deaths for her as Dora Steele so you can imply
The couple didn't have children and went abroad and died
The couple went abroad and had children and died abroad
or she is still alive and would be extremely aged, not impossible
Dear Karen MThe tree on GRU is owned by a westwell so hopefully it is the same person and I have sent a message to them.
There is a tree on ancestry owned by a janWestwell with one person (Albert Edward Leigh born 29 Oct 1876 Islington and died 13 Mar 1950 in Ottawa) who is also in the tree you found containing Edwin Baker. Maybe you could try contacting them via a message from that.
Sam
Where is Miss Marples or Hercule Poirot when you need them? ;D just joking.
congratulations Karen on making a contact.
AND A RECAP OF THE INSCRIPTION ON THE BACK"
Taken on Baby's birthday, March 4th 1918.
one year & 5 months old."
Sorry, I could really have added these pictures earlier.
I am not saying this is what has happened - but if I was clearing a house or found something like the photo and teddy i would definitely put it together to sell it as it would add value to both.
Milly
...
I have been a bit curious as to the last line. I wonder if it actually means that it was added to the back of the photograph one year & 5 months after the message to Daddie. Maybe that's why the words are upside down to the rest of the writing.
Perhaps the photo was sent to Daddie and when his personal effects came back - with the photo - the rest was written down.
Well done Hampshire Lass!! :o :o
I think we've cracked it now. I expect the journalists will do the rest.
One outstanding question - if the letter was posted to daddie and daddie died, how did the letter get back to the bear?
What about our teddy?hopefully this week we will know more,reason I ask is last night in the wee hours of the AM,I had a dream/nightmare of being chased by giant bears,and at 75 i dont run so fast,glad I woke up when I did,or maybe I wouldn't be around to share this little tid bit with you all. :) :)
Hasbro are in talks & are looking into changeing their game of Cluedo & introducing an adult version which is based on this story :P as it puts detection into real context ::)
A. M.
I finally got here!
I think Teddy is a bit shocked that I want to look at his postcard.
He's not sure about what all the fuss is about. "He is warm and safe and out of the carrier bag. What more could a bear ask for" As he said to me.
(Scout Bear the reporter)
There was the photo from the Huffington Post and although Ann hasn't quoted the writing from the back of the photo it looks like she thinks the children are both girls because she goes on to say that it's not the most important event in the world but if anyone knows of two elderly sisters, possibly called Dora and Glyn - presume here she is thinking that Glyn is short for Glynis - can they get in touch with the kindly staff at Bristol Airport.
Ann gives the name of the bears spokeswoman and ends with the thought had he come from Darkest Peru.
Jean
.... she thinks the children are both girls because she goes on to say that it's not the most important event in the world but if anyone knows of two elderly sisters, possibly called Dora and Glyn ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-22717020
Where did they get "Sonia" from?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-22717020
Where did they get "Sonia" from?
Another misleading article. Sonia? ::) .... and the bear is not Glyn. ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-22717020
Where did they get "Sonia" from?
Another misleading article. Sonia? ::) .... and the bear is not Glyn. ::)
Bristol Airport Lost Teddy Bear 'Seeks' Owner
"Bristol Airport is trying to find the owner of an antique teddy bear left in a carrier bag in the departure lounge more than a year ago.
Staff said the bear, who they believe is called Glyn, was found with an old photograph dated 1918, and other items.
On the reverse of the photograph - sent to "our darling daddy" - it names two children, Dora and Sonia, and Glyn."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-22717020
Does anyone think they could help?
I think the airport authorities are trying to find the person who lost the bear in the departure lounge. That person is not necessarily in any way related to the people in the photograph.
I posted an update in the belief that people would leave it at that until any new information came in regarding ownership...the constant references to "Is it isn't it" the same bear to me is irrelevant and doesn't add anything to what has already been said....the necessary information to further this enquiry is being lost and once again it is necessary to go back to read what is relevant.
Carol
2) the owner is not in Britain and is unaware of the publicity, or
Or possibly 5) Gone abroad and so unaware of the publicity?
In my humble opinion, after years of being on RC and seeing/contributing to many threads, I think that this thread should be locked until any more info is available. Otherwise, we'll be going round and round. The whole thing is getting daft/ridiculous and any other adjectives that we might think of.
Gadget
In my humble opinion, after years of being on RC and seeing/contributing to many threads, I think that this thread should be locked until any more info is available. Otherwise, we'll be going round and round. The whole thing is getting daft/ridiculous and any other adjectives that we might think of.
Gadget
"BRAVO"glad we have one that is bold enough, to say enough is enough and to let it rest,thanks gadget. you got more courage than me. ;D ;D
In my humble opinion, after years of being on RC and seeing/contributing to many threads, I think that this thread should be locked until any more info is available. Otherwise, we'll be going round and round. The whole thing is getting daft/ridiculous and any other adjectives that we might think of.
Gadget
There was the photo from the Huffington Post and although Ann hasn't quoted the writing from the back of the photo it looks like she thinks the children are both girls because she goes on to say that it's not the most important event in the world but if anyone knows of two elderly sisters, possibly called Dora and Glyn - presume here she is thinking that Glyn is short for Glynis - can they get in touch with the kindly staff at Bristol Airport.
Ann gives the name of the bears spokeswoman and ends with the thought had he come from Darkest Peru.
Jean
I would like to apologise to Gadget (top of page 43). I obviously misread what had been said. We all make mistakes sometimes don't we.
A change of angle on the subject - does anyone know if this request has had a possible "record" viewers?
Annie.
The following link - 80 pages and the last of three parts, has been viewed 44824 times. :) :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271385.msg1527818.html#msg1527818
Pels.
Reluctant as I am to put another penny in the merry-go-round and extend the pages further ;)
My thoughts haven't really changed from the start, including the possibility of bear being a shadow of it's former self.
Comparing photos together as they've lately been put up, I have to say general proportion is so similar, not taking into account features that may have been replaced and repositioned. Ears could have become detached and reattached, pads have been replaced by sturdy scraps of fabric and not very asthetically but perhaps sympathetically to cover worn areas also eyes often replaced by shanked buttons and can be easily lost. He seems to have lost a bit of stuffing or knocked out of him and fur is a bit different looking :-\ could be affected by body oils and flattened pile facing different way like bed hair :D or bear'd hair ::)
There is a marriage for a Florence E Baker to Charles H. Hayward in Bristol in 1929 on Freebmd Vol 6a page 37
Maybe just coincidence....but she could have remarried.
Carol
..Still wondering why the airport think it belongs to someone in Peru? ..
..Still wondering why the airport think it belongs to someone in Peru? ..
It's a joke - or a cultural reference.
Do the words "Paddington" and "bear" ring any bells?
Mike
Oh, her mother Florence E......good thinking, that could well be her. Think there's more to be done with expanding the tree outwards as they certainly seem to stay near Bristol /Newport / Abergavenny / Pontypool area. ......
except for Doris who seems to have vanished into thin air.....
probably on a plane from Bristol Airport 14 months ago ;D
Hi all,
Just catching up with all the pages I have missed out on reading for quite a few days and Carol's post kind of made me think. If Doris's mother did get remarried to a Charles H Hayward in Bristol in 1929, could Doris have used or adopted the surname of her stepfather. Only wondering if this is the case because my grandmother was married previously and had two children with her first husband, he passed away and then my grandmother met and married my grandfather and my aunt and uncle from her first marriage adopted my grandfathers surname.
There is a marriage September quarter 1937 Doris E Hayward to a Reginald J Povey in Caerleon.
Hi all,
Just catching up with all the pages I have missed out on reading for quite a few days and Carol's post kind of made me think. If Doris's mother did get remarried to a Charles H Hayward in Bristol in 1929, could Doris have used or adopted the surname of her stepfather. Only wondering if this is the case because my grandmother was married previously and had two children with her first husband, he passed away and then my grandmother met and married my grandfather and my aunt and uncle from her first marriage adopted my grandfathers surname.
There is a marriage September quarter 1937 Doris E Hayward to a Reginald J Povey in Caerleon.
Good thinking Nettie. Sounds a great possibility to me :)
Anyway, lights are on and I'm in now ;D ;D
Annie
Hi all,
Just catching up with all the pages I have missed out on reading for quite a few days and Carol's post kind of made me think. If Doris's mother did get remarried to a Charles H Hayward in Bristol in 1929, could Doris have used or adopted the surname of her stepfather. Only wondering if this is the case because my grandmother was married previously and had two children with her first husband, he passed away and then my grandmother met and married my grandfather and my aunt and uncle from her first marriage adopted my grandfathers surname.
There is a marriage September quarter 1937 Doris E Hayward to a Reginald J Povey in Caerleon.
Good thinking Nettie. Sounds a great possibility to me :)
If it is a possibility HL then there appears to be two children from this marriage and what also appears to possibly be a grandchild as well.
Hi all,
Just catching up with all the pages I have missed out on reading for quite a few days and Carol's post kind of made me think. If Doris's mother did get remarried to a Charles H Hayward in Bristol in 1929, could Doris have used or adopted the surname of her stepfather. Only wondering if this is the case because my grandmother was married previously and had two children with her first husband, he passed away and then my grandmother met and married my grandfather and my aunt and uncle from her first marriage adopted my grandfathers surname.
There is a marriage September quarter 1937 Doris E Hayward to a Reginald J Povey in Caerleon.
Good thinking Nettie. Sounds a great possibility to me :)
If it is a possibility HL then there appears to be two children from this marriage and what also appears to possibly be a grandchild as well.
Might be worth sending a PM to Trystan or DawnSh (moderator) Nettie because we can't post the names on this thread and they were coordinating the contact with the possible family.....but I don't know if that has ground to a halt now perhaps.
If a home is not found for bear, maybe he could choose a suitable museum to move into? Then he could accept visitors :D
I love that idea Angelfish
However it would have been nice to have had an update - even if it just was that the bear's owner (no names) had been traced, especially since so many Rootschatters gave up time to research for the family.
:)
However it would have been nice to have had an update - even if it just was that the bear's owner (no names) had been traced, especially since so many Rootschatters gave up time to research for the family.
:)
Is precisely what I meant i.e. Reply from Airport....................We would like to thank the people involved in helping us to reunite teddy/find relatives or whatever as it was very much appreciated...............That's all I ask ;D
Annie
That all sounds very mysterious and intriguing Trystan. ;D Looking forward to more details as they become available.
Doesn't it just - watching with bated breath....
Thanks for the update Trystan...when does the book come out ;D ;D
Carol
Thanks for the update Trystan...when does the book come out ;D ;D
Carol
Wonder who will play Teddy in the Hollywood blockbuster??
Tom Cruise perhaps??
Well if he can play Jack Reacher....he can play anyone.....
Looby ;D ;D
I'm sure George is equally as handsome as Trystan even though we can only see the side of his head in his profile pic. ;D
Jane
I can assure the ladies, that the front of Trystan's head is a lovely as the back view, but don't get carried away as he is spoken for, unlike George Clooney ;D
Dawn
.disappointed that so many of you were so quick to point out an innocent mistake rather than any info i was able to supply.nevermind ill continue my research without sharing with rootschat merry christmas all! :)You have completely misunderstood the good intentions of Chrissie and others, who merely informed you of the rootschat rules, in a civil and friendly fashion. I think you have taken it the wrong way. ;)
OOOOO it looks like I missed at updated post saying the family/owner had been found
NEWS COPY – WITH PICTURES
The mystery of a 100-year-old dog-eared teddy bear found abandoned in an airport departure lounge has finally been solved.
Airport staff found the antique bear, which has one eye and a floppy ear, in a bag with a frayed black and white photo, dated March 1918, of him being cuddled by two little children.
Unlike Paddington Bear, the toy had no name tag but a message in faded ink on the back of the picture read: "With dearest love and kisses to our darling Daddie from your loving little daughters Dora and Glyn."
Staff at Bristol Airport made a public appeal to try and trace the owner earlier this year but were unable to find any living relatives until a campaign by The Mature Times, a newspaper for the over 50s.
Reader Robert Glyn Baker spotted the story and recognised the bear as a family heirloom he lost while travelling through the airport on his way to Cyprus.
He said: “I was stunned when I got a cutting of the Mature Times in the post and saw my bear on the front page.
“I thought it was lost forever, I was convinced it had been destroyed.”
The bear was found in 2012 and staff spent 14 months trawling flight records to see if they could find any two passengers with the same names as those mentioned on the back of the picture.
When they could not they appealed for help from the public and a number of experts stepped forward to help with the search.
They were able to trace the date of the picture after they discovered a second message on the picture, which said: "taken on Baby's birthday March 4th 1918, one year and five-months-old."
But, despite tracing who the children were they were unable to find them.
Robert spotted his bear - nicknamed 'Bristo' by staff - after his former wife sent him a cutting of the Mature Times front page from January.
The gobsmacked dad-of-one, who is still in Cyprus, was so shocked when he realised his bear was still out there he immediately rang the paper to try and get him back.
“I'm an only child and my auntie Dora didn't have any children either so I am the only person that could have got the bear,” Robert said.
“My mum gave him a different nose, he has pads on his arms too. I think I gave him a rough time when I was a kid!
“It’s the sentimental value really, my hands were so full with what I was carrying I thought I had left it in the toilet. I had so much with me, but like a fool I left it in the airport.
“I would love to have it back.”
What a shame they didn't mention Rootschat. Did the readers of The Mature Times (whatever that is) have as much input as Rootschatter? I guess they ran the story and the owner just saw it. You do wonder why the owner would carry such a precious bear around with him.
It would be lovely if Robert Glyn Baker was able to read the research I am sure he would find it very interesting reading :)I wonder if he is on Facebook
Sarah
;D ;D ;D ;D ......like that Marge :)
We did have his address in Wales. I'm left wondering why our letter didn't bring a response months ago. Still, that doesn't matter ......it's just lucky that the press cutting was forwarded to him, even if the letter wasn't :)
Hi
It was in the Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10604894/Airport-teddy-bear-mystery-solved-as-the-owner-comes-forward.html
It may be worth contacting them as well
Margp
Great result, well done to all involved, especially H.L. ;D. I hope RC gets the recognition it deserves.
What surprises me is, with the name (Glyn) on the photo and additional Baker information provided by RC, that airport staff didn't connect a passenger flying out of Bristol on that day called Robert GLYN BAKER. ???
No, I'm not hinting at anything that we're doing. The human interest side of it is partly a reflection on how little coverage there was in the papers today, despite the press release.
Without the wider human interest bit of it, the hunt and capturing the hearts of so many on here, the WW1 soldier that fell in Bhagdad in the centenary commemoration, it's not the big story that it could be.
What I was alluding to was for a journalist to pick up on it.
Trystan
Just to put the record straight we (Rootschat) did get mentioned by name in this BBC article
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-25413436