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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: hamleyseeker on Saturday 17 September 16 17:54 BST (UK)
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Hello Rootschatters.
I am seeking the marriage of Thomas Fuller (b. Horsham abt 1841) & Mary Tidey (b. Warnham/Horsham 1851). They are the known parents of Caroline Fuller b. 1893 Worth (E. Grinstead) & probably also of George William (1878) Henry 1882, Emily 1886 & 4 others up to 1898.
Thank you for your time. Veronica
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This seems the most likely marriage, given the age of the oldest child in 1881 (there are many more children than your list - 10 born before 1891!). Not sure why the surname differs though
Jun 1874 Horsham 2b 463
Duffell Ann
Fuller Thomas
Hole James
Wales Mary Jane
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Possible death? Right area for 1901 census
Mary Jane Fuller
Q4 1904
Age 52
Uckfield Vol 2b, p70
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This seems the most likely marriage
Marriage was at Ifield, 17 May 1874
Thomas Fuller, of full age, Bachelor, Labourer, residence Ifield, father George Fuller, Gamekeeper
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Mary Jane Wales, of full age, Spinster, residence Ifield, father William Wales, Labourer
after Banns
witnesses George Payne, Frances Bridges
Mary Jane Wales signed her name, Thomas and the witnesses all marked.
John
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Thank you but I've eliminated Mary Jane Wales as the mother of Caroline is most definitely Mary Formerly Tidey. This is my great puzzle.
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Have you looked the birth certs of Caroline's siblings - do they also have mmn Tidey?
There is a Mary Tidey a little younger than Mary Wales who marries Alfred Mitchell in 1875 - she's still around with her husband in 1901. They're in Billingshurst
Could just have been the registrar having a bad day
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I've just applied for the birth cert. For the oldest child George William. I originally had doubts about Mary Tidey until Caroline's cert arrived today & her USSD names Thomas Fuller & Mary Tidey. I think I must be patient for more birth certs. To come in. Thank you again for your interest & time.
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George isn't the eldest, by the way
1881
Thomas Fuller 40 - b Crawley, farmer labourer
Mary Fuller 30 - b Warnham
Alice Fuller 7 - b Ifield
Flora Fuller 5 - b Ifield [also known as Florence]
Sally Fuller 4 - b Ifield [also known as Sarah]
George Fuller 2 - b Beeding
Mary Fuller 1 - b Beeding
Ref RG11, 1109, 12, 15
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George isn't the eldest, by the way
There's a birth registration in Horsham for Flora Fuller in Dec 1875
And a baptism of Florence Fuller at Ifield, 7 November 1875, parents Thomas + Mary
But there doesn't seem to be a birth reg in Horsham of Alice Fuller, who was 7 in 1881 (and the Fuller-Wales marriage was 17 May 1874). If Alice was born before the marriage, there's no Alice Tidey birth.
There is though a registration of an Alice Wales, March 1874, Horsham.
John
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Hmm - just spotted a very interesting household two entries up from Thomas & mary on 1891. ancestry has indexed them all as Tidy, but the image shows otherwise
Mary Ann Tidy 35 - b Balcombe, charwoman, married
Harry Streeter 30 - son [as per image!], general labourer, b Cuckfield
John Edwd ?? 14 - son, b Worth. I first thought it said Fuller, but it could say Tullett
RG12, 829, 10, 14
Go back to 1881 and you find
William Whales 55
Mary A. Whales 49 - b Balcombe
Henry Streeter 21 - stepson
John Tullett 4 - stepson
RG11, 1060, 86, 5
Mary Ann was b Streeter, married Edward Tullett in 1863 and Mr Whales in 1880. not sure how/when she bacame a Tidy. this could all be a total coincidence though, and I can;t see how this would connect to the Fullers!
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Looks like Mary Jane may have been using both names, Tidey and Wales
To go with the Alice Wales birth reg in Horsham, March qtr 1874
Baptism at Ifield
5th April 1874
Alice
parent Jane Tidy
abode ? Green
no occupation given
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Looks like Thomas could have finished up in the workhouse marked imbecile!
Jennifer
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No, that's another Thomas who was looked after by his mother in all the census. thanks anyway.
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Thanks to Mabel & Jon
Thomas' father was Thomas b. 1803 married to Rebecca Rusbriger: baptism 13 Dec. 1840 (Family search)
I have gone through the censuses 1881-1901 (Thomas is widowed in 1911 which would tie in with death of Mary Jane in 1904).
I have now applied for birth certs for Alice & George William as there's a 4 year gap between the 2.
1881 resident at Bay Bush Mill cottage Lower Beediing
1891 78 West Park, Ifield where all the family were given Ifield as they're birth place (lazy enumerator?)
1901 Rotherfield so a little further away in Uckfield which would tie in with place of death for Mary Jane in 1904 and that of Thomas in 1915.
I have not yet looked at the Wales & Tidey births, that's for later!
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Hi
I think your Thomas Fuller must be the son of George and Sarah.
In 1901 Thomas has his nephew with him, Albert Fuller, 13, born Crawley.
1891 has
piece 581 folio 140 page 8
Charlwood
Henry Fuller Head 36 Stockman Sussex Crawley
Emma Fuller Wife 32 Sussex Cuckfield
Birty Fuller Son 4 Sussex Crawley
Olive Fuller Daughter 1 month Sussex Crawley
If we go back to 1861, Henry is son of George and Sarah
1851 in Crawley, Thomas Fuller, 10, son of George and Sarah
John
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I'd agree with George & sarah as parents for a number of reasons
Thomas consistantly gives his pob as Slaugham or Crawley - George & Sarah are in Crawley in 1851, with Thomas b Slaugham. Thomas and Rebecca are in Horsham
also
Marriage was at Ifield, 17 May 1874
Thomas Fuller, of full age, Bachelor, Labourer, residence Ifield, father George Fuller, Gamekeeper
+
Mary Jane Wales, of full age, Spinster, residence Ifield, father William Wales, Labourer
after Banns
witnesses George Payne, Frances Bridges
Mary Jane Wales signed her name, Thomas and the witnesses all marked.
John
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My Thomas was the son of Thomas & Rebecca, grandson of William & Jane Simmons
but I agree that the fact he has a son George does make me question this.
I've looked again at the censuses 1841-1911 on FindMyPast. The more I look the more questions I have and have concluded that I should follow all Fullers from Worth.
There is certainly more than one Thomas in the area & possibly 2 both married to a Mary.
This was the village of my initial inquiries when looking for Ann Fuller born in Worth 1805 (my 2nd GGM) dau. of William & Jane Simmons.
Thomas (1840-41) is my 1st cousin x3 removed.
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Hi
years back i found a Tidey family that changed its name between Tidey and Wales
almost every event registration. I seem to remember that they were a family of hawkers or such like.