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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: waswigg on Saturday 25 February 17 12:27 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find details about Dora m Round born about 1916 and married Ernest Robinson in 1939 in Lewisham London I would love to know her dob etc and her parents. I seem to be stuck on all all her details.
I would be grateful for a little help
many thanks waswigg
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The marriage certificate would give fathers details
There is no middle initial M on the marriage registration, do you know what it stands for.
Dec qtr 1939
Robinson Ernest spouse Round
Round Dora spouse Robinson
Lewisham 1d 3590
Have you located her on the 1939 register to establish a date of birth or possible relations
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No idea what the m stands for but the marriage details you gave me are correct as i found those
many thanks waswigg
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What is the source for middle initial M?
Do you know (even approximately) when & where Dora died?
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after rechecking my details I find I may have put the M in by pure accident. Sorry about misleading any one,I checked from daughter ( how i got mothers name) through to marriage details and found no M in the name and i have know idea when she died either
sorry waswigg
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No need to apologise!
So are you saying she was "Dora Robinson formerly Round" on her daughter's birth certificate?
Was the daughter born outside London? I didn't see obvious births for the couple in or near Lewisham in the years immediately following the marriage.
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Dora Round born about 1916 and married Ernest Robinson in 1939 in Lewisham London
I can't see any children born in Lewisham London but there are
3 male ROBINSON births between 1939 – 1945 in Birmingham
mother’s maiden name ROUND, have not named due to years of birth
see FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/
There is this death in Birmingham
DORA ROBINSON
Birth day 9 8 1916
Death quarter 4 1998 Birmingham
District number 0611N Register number N14B
Entry number 187
Date of registration mm/yy 1298
County Warwickshire
However I can't find a birth registration for a Dora ROUND on FreeBMD in
September Qtr. 1916
Closest I could find
Doris M Round mother's maiden name Taylor Sept 1916 Dudley
and
Dora Round mmn Palmer Sept 1917 Dudley
Dora Round mmn Hawkesford Jun 1916 Nuneaton
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I have come to the same conclusion that Dora Round was born outside of London ie Dudley Birmingham or Nuneaton, so now i have to try to find the correct Dora round to go with Ernest Robinson
waswigg
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There is a Dora Round birth in June 1916 quarter in Nuneaton, mmn Hawkesford :)
Doesn't match the date of death but there are often mistakes with that, so worth looking at.
Edited: sorry Ladyhawk, I didn't see that you'd included the June 16 Nuneaton birth in your post.
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Possible death for Dora Round (mother Hawesford) in Atherstone, Warwickshire 1920 age 4 DOB 1916
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If the dob on that death registration for Dora Robinson is correct, I can#t really see anyone on 1939 census who fits.
Of course, she may have been known as Dora and put that on her marriage cert, but her first name could be something different like Eudora or Theodora
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after rechecking my details I find I may have put the M in by pure accident. Sorry about misleading any one,I checked from daughter ( how i got mothers name) through to marriage details and found no M in the name and i have know idea when she died either
Could you tell us when and where this daughter was born (but not her name, if stlll living)? Do you actually have her birth certificate as opposed to just index details?
There is a Birmingham Robinson/Round marriage in 1934 which may well account for at least some of the Birmingham births. I am a little confused as to which births are linked with the Lewisham couple.
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Their 1939 marriage certificate should give you both their father's names, occupation etc.....
if you wish to obtain this it can be ordered from the GRO https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Do you have any info. on her husband Ernest?
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Ernest & Dora married in the 4th Quarter of 1939 so she would have still been Round when the 1939 Register was taken in September 1939.
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There are also some pre 1939 Robinson-Round births in the London area. The Lewisham marriage could of course come after the children, if the whole truth was not told when they were registered
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There are also some pre 1939 Robinson-Round births in the London area. The Lewisham marriage could of course come after the children, if the whole truth was not told when they were registered
Yes indeed - and if that was the case one would expect to find the couple together in the 1939 Register, which would be very helpful :)
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There are a number of Round families in the Lewisham/Deptford area on electoral registers in the run up to 1939. Can't make any fit though!
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We also don't know the source for "born about 1916". It doesn't seem to come from a marriage certificate or confirmed death registration.
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I haven't tried the 39 register yet
waswigg
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We really need to know where Dora and her husband moved to after their marriage and/or after WW2 ;)
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We really need to know where Dora and her husband moved to after their marriage and/or after WW2 ;)
And also:
Whether the known daughter was definitely born to Dora and Ernest as opposed to one of the other Robinson-Round couples who married around the same time (and where/when she was born)?
Whether there are other known children? (& if so where & when? - but no names of those still living).
Why is Dora thought to have been born c1916? NB if actually 1917 or later she may be redacted in 1939.
Is anything at all known about Ernest? E.g a child's birth cert should state his occupation.
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Dec qtr 1939
Robinson Ernest spouse Round
Round Dora spouse Robinson
Lewisham 1d 3590
We have two marriage entries with same details apart from female name
this is the other marriage entry
Violet D Round
Ernest Robinson
Dec 1939 Lewisham 1d 3590
Does this mean Dora & Violet are the same person?
Violet Dorothea & Ernest Robinson
Year: 1939
County or Borough: Lewisham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Lewisham East
Address 42 Boundfield Road
Violet Dorothea Round
1900 Jul-Aug-Sep Islington Volume: 1b Page: 212
1901c RG13; Piece: 159; Folio: 148; Page
3 Dresden Road Islington
ROUND
Percy Z 40 Civil Service Clerk GPO (his middle name zillwood)
Violet A 30 (her middle name Annie)
Nora F 4 (her middle names Frances Judith)
Violet D 8 months Islington (her middle name Dorothea)
19 Oct 1895 Holy Trinity Wallington Surrey
Percy Zillwood Round age 35 Civil Servant father Edward Dec’d occ commission Agent
Violet Annie Hoole age 25 f Elijah occ Architect
Wits Elijah Hoole, A? E??idg?, Mary H I Bu?ing, Frances Round
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Oh well done Ladyhawk. Yes it looks as though Dora was an alternate name for Violet Dorothea.
Possible death as Violet D Robinson aged 57 in Hendon, 1957?
Probate 1958 as Violet Dorothea Robinson, single woman??? But executrix was Nora Frances Judith ROUND, spinster, matching the sister you have found in 1901.
So perhaps single woman (as opposed to spinster) is code for divorced, or similar?
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1934 Violet Dorothea is on the electoral register with her mother and siblings in Finchley
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Well done ladyhawk - I should have looked at freebmd properly shouldn't I ::) ;D
Rosie
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for info.
Percy Zillwood Round of 11 Cornwood Close Lyttleton Roach East Finchley Middlesex
Death Date: 10 Jan 1934
Probate 29 Mar 1934 to widow Violet Annie & Norah Frances Judith Round spinster
Percy Zillwood. Round
College: ST CATHARINE'S
Entered: Michs. 1879
Died: 10 Jan 1934
More Information:
Adm. pens. at ST CATHARINE'S, June, 1879. S. of Edward. B. at Winchester.
Matric. Michs. 1879; B.A. 1883. Clerk in the Secretary's Office of the G.P.O. Of 11, Cornwood Close, Lyttelton Road, London, N., where he died Jan. 10, 1934. (The Times, Jan. 15, 1934.)
details from Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900
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Well done ladyhawk - I should have looked at freebmd properly shouldn't I ::) ;D
I only came across the marriage by chance on F M P after looking at the Electoral Register
Lewisham for Ernest Robinson and working on a suggestion of Dora going by another name
as suggested by Mabel :)
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Possible death as Violet D Robinson aged 57 in Hendon, 1957?
Probate 1958 as Violet Dorothea Robinson, single woman???
But executrix was Nora Frances Judith ROUND, spinster, matching the sister you have found in 1901.
So perhaps single woman (as opposed to spinster) is code for divorced, or similar?
Her address was given as 11 Cornwood Close Lytton Road the same as given on her father Percy's probate 1934
Added for info.
Nora Frances Judith Round died 10 Dec 1979 London
Probate Date: 10 Apr 1980 Registry: Birmingham
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Violet D Robinson is back at Cornwood Close with her mother, but no sign of Ernest, by 1946 and continues to appear there in subsequent electoral rolls.
Perhaps we should not invest too much more time in her & Ernest until waswigg comes back to the thread to digest what has been found and fill us in on the outstanding questions.
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Agree AVM228
Was about to make one last post using free search 1939 register
Surname Robinson address Boundfield Road (as given on 1939 London Electoral Register)
this it was it shows
Ernest Robinson 1884
Violet D Robinson 1900
Irene Brewer (Robinson) 1935
1 more person who is officially closed
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OK so Irene Robinson mmn Round, birth reg Dec qtr 1935 Hammersmith.
Married her Mr Brewer in Hendon, Jun qtr 1962.
Died as Irene Brewer in Preston in 2002, showing birthdate of 21 Sep 1935.
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In the 1901 census i found a couple Alfrd Adham round and Elizth Eva round who had a daughter
dora may round born in Lewisham who was one year old born about 1900
I dont think that is bad as it make Dora Round about 16 years older than her husband Ernest Robinson.
wrightwigg
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In the 1901 census i found a couple Alfrd Adham round and Elizth Eva round who had a daughter
dora may round born in Lewisham who was one year old born about 1900
I dont think that is bad as it make Dora Round about 16 years older than her husband Ernest Robinson.
wrightwigg
But see reply #21 for the "correct" family for Dora Round (formally Violet Dorothea Round) in 1901, now corroborated by lots of evidence on the thread.
See also reply #29 for Ernest's birthdate: 1884. So Dora was c16 yrs younger than him, rather than older.
At reply #20 I summarised several outstanding questions. The answers to those will help us to help you.
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daughter of Irene Robinson was Removed this i know as I have spoken to her and she was born in 1964 in Maidstone London. Irene nee Robinson Married John E Faulkner in 1963
waswigg
Moderator Comment: Edited in accordance with RootsChat policy of not publishing details of living people here, or details of people who may still be living.
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Grand-daughter b1964 had two sisters b1966 and Faulkner b 1967.
All had same father John E Faulkner b 1934 and mother 1935 Irene Robinson.
Parents of Irene Robinson were Ernest Robinson and Dora Round married 1939 in Lewisham London
waswigg
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Thanks
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so it appears dora round may come from london
waswigg