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Dear all.
Trying to find the birth cert. details of one James Kennedy born either 1876 (according to 2 Census's) or 1877 (if the age listed on his death cert. is correct at 55 when died 22.05.1932.) Born Liverpool and highly likely around the Scotland Road area.
His Father is also a James Kennedy, born circa 1851 but I have no Mother details and there's a fair few options given the name Kennedy! I can find 6 possible matches on GRO for birth between 1876 - 1877 registered either West Derby & Toxteth (districts of Liverpool) or simply under 'Liverpool.'
On his marriage certificate (RC) he has a witness of Thomas Kennedy who I assumed may be his brother. I was led down the line of an Ellen Kennedy then being his Mother (through Census records etc) but then hit a brick wall with that thread as it appeared James would still be living at home, listed as single and working not as a Ships Scaler (as he seems to have done most his life) after his date of marriage!! Lesson learned!
Am I going to have to work through ordering 6 birth certificates? Is there anyway of narrowing this through the Father's name or even where likely a birth in the Scotland Road area would be registered then ? West Derby or 'Liverpool?'
Any thoughts on this would, as always, be most welcome. There are a lot of James Kennedy's in the family and I'm confused at best of times!!! ::)
Thanks Mx
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When and where was he married? Have you found the RC marriage record (they often give the mothers' maiden names)?
Which are the census records that you are certain about? Can you give the addresses?
What was his father's occupation?
In the RC baptisms there's Jacobus, filius Jacobi & Mariae Kennedy (mmn Smith) at Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette in 1876. A possibility.
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Hi Shaun,
Thanks very much for replying. The Nee Smith is a distinct possibility. I've looked at so many Census records I can't remember which are the ones with Ellen Kennedy as the Mother that lead to a clash but he marries Julia McCarthy in 27.feb.1897 at St Anthonys. His Father is listed as living at 21 Woodstock Street.In 1901 our man is in Virgil Street, 1911 Boundary Street married to Julia and working as the consistently mentioned 'Ships Scaler.' He also appears on his sons marriage cert. as a Ships Scaler too.
The Ellen Kennedy line I made a mistake with seems to have the Father and then son as carriage drivers then proprietors. The whole family seem to have been dockers / ship workers/ seamen so it's out of line for this too (although there is a listed sibling Thomas Kennedy on this line that ties in with the marriage witness.)
Regrettably the cert. info gives little away other than he was living in Woodstock Road and this Thomas Kennedy the witness living in Netherfield Road.
Cant find his Fathers occupation but the apple doesn't seem to fall far from the tree in this side of the family so assuming labourer/docker.
The maiden name possibilties I've come up with are a Connor/Jones/McGinty/Smith/Edwards/Pake ranging from 1876-1877. Be useful to know where Scotland Road residents would have registered the births as that may be able to eliminate 3 records!
Thanks for your thoughts Shaun, much appreciated
M
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In the RC baptisms there's Jacobus, filius Jacobi & Mariae Kennedy (mmn Smith) at Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette in 1876. A possibility.
Possible birth registration for that baptism
KENNEDY, JAMES mmn SMITH
1876 Sept Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 66
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possible 1881 census name recorded as Kenneday??
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-M86Q
Possible marriage:
Marriages Sep 1874
Kennedy James Liverpool 8b 453
Smith Mary Ann Liverpool 8b 453
Childrens birth registrations:
KENNEDY, JAMES SMITH
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 6
KENNEDY, CHARLES SMITH
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 17
KENNEDY, WILLIAM SMITH
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 57
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born either 1876 (according to 2 Census's) or 1877 (if the age listed on his death cert. is correct at 55 when died 22.05.1932
He's 25 in 1901 and 35 in 1911 so probably born between early April 1875 and early April 1876.
I have seen newspaper reports from August 1897 of a 22 year old James Kennedy, a scaler, being sentenced to 5 years penal servitude at Liverpool Assizes for wounding one John Nolan. However I'm not seeing this conviction in the criminal records. And your man was at home in the 1901 census so either it wasn't him or the conviction was overturned.
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Be useful to know where Scotland Road residents would have registered the births as that may be able to eliminate 3 records!
I don't know if this is helpful or not! But
in 1881 in Scotland Road is a family named REGAN with a daughter Clara born 1878. Seems an uncommon enough name - so looked in GRO her birth was registered at West Derby and Toxteth Park
but her sister Annie was registered in 1876 and a son Nathan (indexed as Mathew on census) in 1881 both at Liverpool!!!
I think I would look at the Liverpool registrations first.
There is this - I don't know quite how to interpret it
LIVERPOOL REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Lancashire (1837-1934 and 1969-74), Merseyside (from 1974).
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.10.1934 (to become part of Liverpool South registration district).
Re-created : 1.10.1969 (out of Liverpool North and Liverpool South registration districts).
Sub-districts : Abercromby, Broadgreen, Dale Street, Edge Hill, Exchange, Fazakerley, Howard Street, Islington, Liverpool, Mount Pleasant, St. George, St. Martin, St. Thomas, Scotland, Sefton Park, Toxteth Park, Toxteth Park Central, Toxteth Park East, Toxteth Park North, Toxteth Park North West, Toxteth Park South, Toxteth Park South West, Toxteth Park, Wavertree, Woolton
GRO volumes : XX (1837-51), 8b (1852-1934), 10D (1969-74), 36 (1974-92).
Registers currently held at : Liverpool.
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/liverpool.html
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Families moved about a lot in those days. A family could be living off Scotland Road then move into an adjacent district such as Everton or Kirkdale or further away to Bootle. Scotland Road was in Liverpool district, Everton, Kirkdale and Bootle came under West Derby. Have a look at this 1900 map. North Scotland, South Scotland, Vauxhall and St. Anne's were in Liverpool district, Sandhills, Kirkdale, St. Domingo, Netherfield and Everton were in West derby district:-
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/liverpool_1900/
Blue
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Dear all,
Thank you so much for the help. That 1900 map is amazing! Shaun J, I had seen a link of that newspaper report via ancestry and it's sitting there while I decide if it was him or not! As you say, in 1901 he was home so either not him, or the conviction was overturned. Did they get let out for good behaviour back then? Also, would it not have been impossible for him to get work after that?
I also hadn't appreciated the birth could be in 1875 - as you say, given the Census info he is most likely to have been born early 1875 - early 1876. I had simply taken 55 off his date of death as per the death certificate and landed at 1877 for his birth! I haven't even searched on 1875 births which I'm about to do!!! **** Update having done so via GRO I can't see any JK births in Liverpool or West Derby for all of 1875****
***Further info*** Given there was nothing registered 1875, 1876 narrows it to:
MQ West Derby 8B 416 CONNOR
JQ West Derby 8B 338 JONES
SQ West Derby 8B 443 MCGINTY (which I think, though not sure, is the Ellen Kennedy line that doesn't add up.)
Then I have
SQ Liverpool SQ 8B 66 SMITH
SQ Liverpool 8B 79 EDWARDS
And in 1877 MQ Liverpool 8B 96 PAKE
Mx
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I also have searched deaths around that time but I've no idea how I can use the findings to help me?!
In 1876 MQ West Derby 8B 373 James K died at 0
1877 MQ Liverpool 8B 75 James K died at 0
In 1878 SQ Liverpool 8B 70 James K died at 3
Mx
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Presumably you don't have the GRO certificate for the 1897 marriage? That might tell you the father's occupation....or it might not. We don't know if the father James was still alive in 1897.
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I also have searched deaths around that time but I've no idea how I can use the findings to help me?!
In 1876 MQ West Derby 8B 373 James K died at 0
1877 MQ Liverpool 8B 75 James K died at 0
In 1878 SQ Liverpool 8B 70 James K died at 3
Mx
The 3 yr old who died in 1878 was buried at Ford Cemetery, 30 Aug 1878. Abode: 2c Gladstone St.
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I've attached their marriage cert. which is disappointingly devoid of details!
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Catholic baptisms in Liverpool for Jacobus (James) Kennedy:
13.06.1876 (born 29.05.1876) - parents John & Sarah Ann(a) nee Everds, of 5/1 Gascoyne St
11.09.1876 (born 30.07.1876) - parents James & Mary/Maria nee Smith
26.12.1876 (born 13.12.1876) - parents William and Helen(a)/Ellen nee Pollard
31.12.1876 (born 30.12.1876) - parents Benjamin & Catherine nee Peake
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avm - that's amazing work. I DO know his Father is another James Kennedy and definitely Catholic. So your info points to 11.09.1876 - parents James and Mary/Maria Smith as there are no other Catholic baptisms with the Father being James?
Would you be able to search 1875/1877 at all?
Thank you so much!
Mx
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I've attached their marriage cert. which is disappointingly devoid of details!
That's the RC marriage register entry. There will also be the normal civil marriage certificate in the prescribed format which the Registrar would have required and which will be held at Liverpool Register Office and at the GRO. See https://goo.gl/a9kwuW
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Nothing for James Kennedy in 1875 (though there may have been Catholic baptisms which are not online).
Others:
James Connor Kennedy born 14.02.1876 & baptised 02.05.1876 to John & Margaret nee Connor.
Patrick James Kennedy born 11.03.1877 & baptised 18.03.1877 to Patrick & Rosanna nee Hannan.
James Kennedy born 10.04.1878 & baptised 16.04.1878 to John & Ellen nee Cahill.
James Kennedy born 26.12.1878 & baptised 27.12.1878 to Joseph & Mary/Maria nee Stanley.
So no competition for James and Mary/Maria nee Smith, though you may be able to eliminate some of the other birth entries.
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That's a HUGE help - thank you. I've just found the baptism record of nee Smith and see it's at the Our Lady of Reconciliation de la Salette church, interestingly is where his first born son's marriage takes place (although his own marriage is at St Anthony's)
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I've just found the baptism record of nee Smith and see it's at the Our Lady of Reconciliation de la Salette church, interestingly is where his first born son's marriage takes place (although his own marriage is at St Anthony's)
It’s a pity he (apparently) didn’t marry in the church where he was baptised - sometimes when they did the priest would helpfully go back and annotate the baptism record with the date of marriage and name of the spouse :)
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I've just found the baptism record of nee Smith and see it's at the Our Lady of Reconciliation de la Salette
I did mention that in Reply#2
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Spot on Shaun, as always a million thanks. Great to have you all take interest and help. Amazing learning along the way with maps and district registration info! Not to mention I've learned to search the baptism records as a way of reconciling off possibles and finding another route in to a search!
Mx
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What children do you have for James KENNEDY and Julia McCARTHY?
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What children do you have for James KENNEDY and Julia McCARTHY?
Hi there,
I have William Kennedy born 8 Apr 1897 (2 months after their marriage....) and James Joseph Kennedy born 7 Oct 1912.
Bit of a gap isn't there? ???
M
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There was another child born on 3 July 1902 - James - baptised on 7 July at St Sylvesters.
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There was another child born on 3 July 1902 - James - baptised on 7 July at St Sylvesters.
Possibly buried 13 Dec 1908, aged 6, at Ford Cemetery.
There’s also a James Kennedy burial at Ford in Dec 1903, but the age of 14 months doesn’t match a July birthday.
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Census 1901 @ 72 Virgil Street
KENNEDY James 25y b. Liverpool
KENNEDY Julia 23y b. Liverpool
KENNEDY William 3y b. Liverpool
KENNEDY Daniel 18y visitor b. Liverpool
The 1911 census has James and Julia KENNEDY, married 14 years. No children with them.
The 1911 census has Daniel KENNEDY 30y, wife Catherine 29y, married 9 years, and daughter Bridget 2y.
Also niece Ellen KENNEDY 6y and nephew Christfer 3y
GRO birth
KENNEDY, Christopher mms. MCCARTHY
1907 DQ Liverpool Vol 08b pg 49
KENNEDY Bridget mms. McCARTHY
1909 JQ Liverpool Vol 08b pg13
Marriage
KENNEDY Daniel m. Catherine McCARTHY
SQ 1902 Vol Liverpool Vol 08b pg234
I think it is likely that James KENNEDY b. Liverpool 1876/7, and Daniel KENNEDY b. ~1880 Liverpool, are brothers.
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In 1901 the family appear at 4 (72), Virgil Street, Liverpool.
James Kennedy 25 Ship Scalar b L'pool
Julia Kennedy wife 22 b L'pool
William Kennedy son 3 b L'pool
Also a Daniel Kennedy boarder single 18 b 1883 Ship Scalar b L'pool
(a possible brother?)
RG13/3407
Folio 104
Page 17
Snap Wivenhoe
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There was another child born on 3 July 1902 - James - baptised on 7 July at St Sylvesters.
Wow, so there is! I can only assume given they had a son in 1912 named James Joseph (and the eldest sons all seem to have been named James in the family) that this little fella died at some point prior to 1912. I can see Ford Cemetery 1903/1908 entries have James Kennedy entries at age 1 and 6 respectively. Sadly no details on them like addresses.
Mx
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Where is William KENNEDY b. 1897 Liverpool parents James KENNEDY and Julia McCARTHY at 1911
census.
Is this William KENNEDY your ancestor?
"..James Joseph Kennedy born 7 Oct 1912." Do you know that James is their son, or do you mean that you have found this entry on an index.
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Census 1901 @ 72 Virgil Street
KENNEDY James 25y b. Liverpool
KENNEDY Julia 23y b. Liverpool
KENNEDY William 3y b. Liverpool
KENNEDY Daniel 18y visitor b. Liverpool
The 1911 census has James and Julia KENNEDY, married 14 years. No children with them.
The 1911 census has Daniel KENNEDY 30y, wife Catherine 29y, married 9 years, and daughter Bridget 2y.
Also niece Ellen KENNEDY 6y and nephew Christfer 3y
GRO birth
KENNEDY, Christopher mms. MCCARTHY
1907 DQ Liverpool Vol 08b pg 49
KENNEDY Bridget mms. McCARTHY
1909 JQ Liverpool Vol 08b pg13
Marriage
KENNEDY Daniel m. Catherine McCARTHY
SQ 1902 Vol Liverpool Vol 08b pg234
I think it is likely that James KENNEDY b. Liverpool 1876/7, and Daniel KENNEDY b. ~1880 Liverpool, are brothers.
Thank you so much! Love a good Census entry! I'm amazed though there's another Kennedy (Daniel) marrying a McCarthy (Catherine!) I wonder if Catherine and Julia were related?!!! I have just checked my records and have Julia as having a sister Catherine....!
Mx
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Where is William KENNEDY b. 1897 Liverpool parents James KENNEDY and Julia McCARTHY at 1911
census.
Is this William KENNEDY your ancestor?
"..James Joseph Kennedy born 7 Oct 1912." Do you know that James is their son, or do you mean that you have found this entry on an index.
The William Kennedy in 1911 appears (by location, address given, age etc) to be "inmate" at St Georges Industrial school which explains the listing as 'alive' on the home Census but not recorded.
The 7 Oct 1912 James Joseph I know for definite is their son as I have his birth certificate.
Mx
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Daniel Kennedy son of James Kennedy married Catherine McCarthy daughter of William McCarthy on 26 July 1902 at St Sylvesters. Witnesses Michael Boggins and Alicia Doyle.
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There was another child born on 3 July 1902 - James - baptised on 7 July at St Sylvesters.
Wow, so there is! I can only assume given they had a son in 1912 named James Joseph (and the eldest sons all seem to have been named James in the family) that this little fella died at some point prior to 1912. I can see Ford Cemetery 1903/1908 entries have James Kennedy entries at age 1 and 6 respectively. Sadly no details on them like addresses.
Mx
Did you see what I said about the burials at reply #24?
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The only GRO birth that fits for Daniel is in Q2 1882 in Liverpool. mmn McGready.
The only RC baptism that fits is at St Albans, 28 May 1882 (born 18 May) son of James and Helen or Ellen nee McGrady. Sponsors John Lynch and Catherine Dempsey (that Dempsey name keeps cropping )
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In the 1891 census there's a family that fits at 11 Broom Street, though James is shown as aged 16.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:79PW-V3Z
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GRO births KENNEDY with mms. McCARTHY @ Liverpool
KENNEDY, William
1897 JQ Vol 08b pg 28
KENNEDY, James
1902 SQ Vol 08b pg 35
KENNEDY, Christopher
1907 DQ Vol 08b pg 49
KENNEDY, Daniel
1911 SQ Vol 08b pg 75
KENNEDY, Bridget
1909 JQ Vol 08b pg 13
KENNEDY, Elizabeth
1911 SQ Vol 08b pg 74
KENNEDY, Margaret
1913 DQ Vol 08b pg 65
KENNEDY, Peter
1913 DQ Vol 08b pg 64
Also -
KENNEDY, Ellen mms. HESTON
1905 JQ Vol 08b pg 8
KENNEDY, John mms HESTON
1907 JQ Vo 08b pg
KENNEDY, Edward mms HESTON
1909 DQ Vol 08b pg 26
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James Kennedy married Ellen McGrady at St Alban's on 10 June 1878 - so perhaps not his first wife
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Blimey this is getting interesting and confusing in equal measures!! :D Thank you all so much for opening up lots of new lines.
I looked at the Daniel Kennedy & Catherine McCarthy St Sylvesters marriage- If we assume from the previous post that Daniel was indeed a brother of James then on this marriage cert. Daniel is son of Jacob (James) and Catherine McCarthy's Father is William , which ties this family accurately together. they married on 26 July 1902 - the same month her sister had James Kennedy baptised there??
The Dempsey name is interesting - Catherine Dempsey is a sponsor of Daniel's birth and we have a Maria Ellen Dempsey witness at Daniel's Mother's marriage... So another tie between this family the McCarthy's? However, I have Daniel being born in 1884 according to the 1891 Census where the family seem to be at 1 Court 6 House Penryhn Street. And that line is MMN Duggan (Father William McCarthy.)
M
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There was another child born on 3 July 1902 - James - baptised on 7 July at St Sylvesters.
Possibly buried 13 Dec 1908, aged 6, at Ford Cemetery.
There’s also a James Kennedy burial at Ford in Dec 1903, but the age of 14 months doesn’t match a July birthday.
AVM - thank you. I agree, it wouldn't add up so most likely to have been the 1908 age 6 record.
Mx
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GRO births KENNEDY with mms. McCARTHY @ Liverpool
KENNEDY, William
1897 JQ Vol 08b pg 28
KENNEDY, James
1902 SQ Vol 08b pg 35
KENNEDY, Christopher
1907 DQ Vol 08b pg 49
KENNEDY, Daniel
1911 SQ Vol 08b pg 75
KENNEDY, Bridget
1909 JQ Vol 08b pg 13
KENNEDY, Elizabeth
1911 SQ Vol 08b pg 74
KENNEDY, Margaret
1913 DQ Vol 08b pg 65
KENNEDY, Peter
1913 DQ Vol 08b pg 64
Also -
KENNEDY, Ellen mms. HESTON
1905 JQ Vol 08b pg 8
KENNEDY, John mms HESTON
1907 JQ Vo 08b pg
KENNEDY, Edward mms HESTON
1909 DQ Vol 08b pg 26
Thank you so much wivenhoe. I guess my job is to try and work out who were Catherine's (married to James) and who were Julia's children!! ;D
Mx
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However, I have Daniel being born in 1884 according to the 1891 Census where the family seem to be at 1 Court 6 House Penryhn Street. And that line is MMN Duggan (Father William McCarthy.)
I have them at 11 Broom Street. See reply#35.
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Looking at that family at 11 Broom Street in 1891, I am wondering if the enumerator has got James and John the wrong way around. There was a John Kennedy born to James and Mary/Maria Kennedy mmn Smith, on 18 October 1874, baptised at Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette on 18 November.
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Looking at that family at 11 Broom Street in 1891, I am wondering if the enumerator has got James and John the wrong way around. There was a John Kennedy born to James and Mary/Maria Kennedy mmn Smith, on 18 October 1874, baptised at Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette on 18 November.
I quite agree with you. Can only see the list on your link - thought I would easily find it on ancestry... nothing's easy on ancestry!! ;) Will keep searching for it.
Mx
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Census 1891 @ 39 Woodstock St
HESTON Edward 45y b. Ireland
HESTON Ellen 53y b. Ireland
HESTON Patrick 13y b. Liverpool
HESTON Mary 11y b. Liverpool
Census 1901 @ Penryhn St
KENNEDY John 23y gas stoker b. Liverpool
KENNEDY Mary 21y b. Liverpool
KENNEDY James 1y b. Liverpool
HESTON Ellen 57y married charwoman sister b. Ireland.
(husband Edward is in the Liverpool Workhouse)
Census 1911, at 15 Dryen St (same Street as Daniel KENNEDY with the niece and nephew) is John KENNEDY, wife Mary and three sons. Also, Peter KENNEDY, 22 years, boarder, all born Liverpool.
KENNEDY, John mms. MCGRADY
1877 JQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b pg 28
KENNEDY, Daniel mms. MCGREADY
1882 JQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b Page 65
KENNEDY, Catherine Christina MCGRADY
1885 MQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b pg 24
KENNEDY, Stephen mms. MCGRADY
1886 SQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b pg 60
KENNEDY, Peter mms. MCGRADY
1888 SQ Liverpool Vol 08b pge 38
FreeBDM JQ 1878 Liverpool Vol 8b pg410
KENNEDY James m. Ellen McGRADY
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My goodness I go off to have lunch and you've virtually solved the puzzle ;D
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Wow! :o I need a drink to assimilate all this info. Thank you again for everyone's time and efforts. It is really amazing to be offered so much help in the puzzle of the James Kennedy's!
So can we assume, so far we have:
James Kennedy (b circa 1851) married one Mary SMITH in 1870 and had sons John (1874) and James (1876)
Then with perhaps something happening to his wife, he remarried in 1878 Ellen MCGR(E)ADY and they go on to have John (1877 - a year before their marriage though?) Daniel, Catherine, Stephen and Peter?
Thank you! :)
Mx
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James Kennedy married Ellen McGrady at St Alban's on 10 June 1878 - so perhaps not his first wife
This is becoming an interesting line!
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At my reply#43 I have edited -
Census 1911, at 15 Dryen St (same as Daniel KENNEDY with the niece and nephew) is James KENNEDY, wife Mary and three sons. Also, Peter KENNEDY, 22 years, boarder, all born Liverpool.
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Census 1911, at 15 Dryen St (same Street as Daniel KENNEDY with the niece and nephew) is
......... John........... KENNEDY, wife Mary and three sons. Also, Peter KENNEDY, 22 years, boarder, all born Liverpool.
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So can we assume, so far we have:
James Kennedy (b circa 1851) married one Mary SMITH in 1870 and had sons John (1874) and James (1876)
Then with perhaps something happening to his wife, he remarried in 1878 Ellen MCGR(E)ADY and they go on to have John (1877 - a year before their marriage though?) Daniel, Catherine, Stephen and Peter?
Not if this is Mary (nee Smith) and James Kennedy in the 1881 census which I posted earlier:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-M86Q
Possible marriage:
Marriages Sep 1874
Kennedy James Liverpool 8b 453
Smith Mary Ann Liverpool 8b 453
Childrens birth registrations:
KENNEDY, JAMES SMITH
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 6
KENNEDY, CHARLES SMITH
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 17
KENNEDY, WILLIAM SMITH
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 57
The James Kennedy son of James and Ellen in this list was born in 1878
Census 1911, at 15 Dryen St (same as Daniel KENNEDY with the niece and nephew) is James KENNEDY, wife Mary and three sons. Also, Peter KENNEDY, 22 years, boarder, all born Liverpool.
KENNEDY, John mms. MCGRADY
1877 JQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b pg 28
KENNEDY, Daniel mms. MCGREADY
1882 JQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b Page 65
KENNEDY, Catherine Christina MCGRADY
1885 MQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b pg 24
KENNEDY, Stephen mms. MCGRADY
1886 SQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b pg 60
KENNEDY, Peter mms. MCGRADY
1888 SQ Liverpool Vol 08b pge 38
FreeBDM JQ 1878 Liverpool Vol 8b pg410
KENNEDY James m. Ellen McGRADY
perhaps your James Kennedy was a different one to the one who married Mary Smith and your James Jnr was a little younger than you thought
Edit: Sorry just noticed that's a marriage for James and Ellen in 1878 not a birth for a James
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Census 1911, at 15 Dryen St
I think that should read 18 Dryden Street.
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Census 1891 @ 39 Woodstock St
HESTON Edward 45y b. Ireland
HESTON Ellen 53y b. Ireland
HESTON Patrick 13y b. Liverpool
HESTON Mary 11y b. Liverpool
Census 1901 @ Penryhn St
KENNEDY John 23y gas stoker b. Liverpool
KENNEDY Mary 21y b. Liverpool
KENNEDY James 1y b. Liverpool
HESTON Ellen 57y married charwoman sister b. Ireland.
(husband Edward is in the Liverpool Workhouse)
Census 1911, at 15 Dryen St (same Street as Daniel KENNEDY with the niece and nephew) is John KENNEDY, wife Mary and three sons. Also, Peter KENNEDY, 22 years, boarder, all born Liverpool.
KENNEDY, John mms. MCGRADY
1877 JQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b pg 28
KENNEDY, Daniel mms. MCGREADY
1882 JQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b Page 65
KENNEDY, Catherine Christina MCGRADY
1885 MQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b pg 24
KENNEDY, Stephen mms. MCGRADY
1886 SQ LIVERPOOL Vol 08b pg 60
KENNEDY, Peter mms. MCGRADY
1888 SQ Liverpool Vol 08b pge 38
FreeBDM JQ 1878 Liverpool Vol 8b pg410
KENNEDY James m. Ellen McGRADY
Just also noticed that James Kennedy (b1851 circa) was living in Woodstock Street when his son James marries Julia McCarthy in 1897...
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Just also noticed that James Kennedy (b1851 circa) was living in Woodstock Street when his son James marries Julia McCarthy in 1897...
No it was son James who lived at Woodstock Street. The marriage register does not record the father's address.
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Possible marriage:
Marriages Sep 1874
Kennedy James Liverpool 8b 453
Smith Mary Ann Liverpool 8b 453
That possible marriage record - I found one Kennedy Mary Smith Liverpool 8b 318 for 1870! Not sure where now! :-[
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do you mean this one!
Marriages Jun 1870
Kennedy Mary Liverpool 8b 318
Smith Samuel Liverpool 8b 318
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do you mean this one!
Marriages Jun 1870
Kennedy Mary Liverpool 8b 318
Smith Samuel Liverpool 8b 318
Ah! I see my mistake!!! ;D
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This might be worth a closer look!
Birth (no mother's maiden name recorded so possibly illegitimate child of Ellen McGrady):
MCGRADY, JAMES -
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 177
Is this the family in the 1881 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-MPVR
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Following on from the above post there is this baptism:
St Nicholas ,Liverpool
Born 23 Dec 1874 Baptised 24 Dec 1874
Jacobus McGrady Mother Helena McGrady (No father shown).
(On the same page of baptisms it looks like she is recorded as a Godmother of Joseph McDonell, baptised the following week).
William
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