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Title: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: lisalisa on Friday 15 February 19 10:23 GMT (UK)
Good morning,

has everyone gone on to the  'new' beta version on the ancestry dna results?

For me the layout is not so easy/comfortable to view, it seems stretched horizontally, yet compressed vertically (between individuals and distance relationships).

Then when I clicked to see new matches (under group), I realised that they have done away with pages and it's now endless scrolling.  I hate endless scrolling on web pages.
Have left feedback accordingly.

I can't seem to find my ethnicity with the map and the timeline (which I quite liked).
Also clicking on a match, now takes me to the 'compare' page, couldn't see the page with the pedigree, surnames and maps, from where I could click shared matches.  This was the page I worked from most.

Some of the filters look useful, but the overall view and lack of pages is a bigger negative for me.

As my mom and I have both tested, it tells me on my results which are 'mother's side' - not really necessary.

Whereas the visuals are something that perhaps one gets used to, the endless scrolling and lack of page divisions is really not something I'd choose.

anyone else?

Lisa

Ps also the front page  where it gave numbers for 4th-6th cousins (and you could see if it had increased) has gone.   :(

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Friday 15 February 19 10:38 GMT (UK)
Sorry but not sure what you are referring to.

Going on to my matches seems to be exactly the same as it always was.

Clicking the beta matches on top right simply gives me a world map but uniquely identifying with a pin head where each match is located.

Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Friday 15 February 19 10:57 GMT (UK)
Mine is the same old format.

Presumably being phased in gradually.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Friday 15 February 19 11:21 GMT (UK)
Mine is also the old format.  I'd not be happy with  it not showing the 4th cousin or closer totals.

Gadget

Added - I see what Pheno is referring to. That is the beta map that's been there for a while.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: lisalisa on Friday 15 February 19 12:59 GMT (UK)
I just looked again, and the 'front page' is back, that's the one with the ethnicity on the left, matches in the centre (with the score), dna circles on the right -- that was missing altogether when I wrote before.

when I click 'view all dna matches', I go to the beta page - on the header it says 'my name dna matches beta', in the drop down menu next to 'Group', I've selected 'new matches' and it looks like this - see attached.

then if I click on the person's name, I go to the page accessible usually by clicking 'compare'.  The 'view match' option is not there.
[edited at 3pm - clicking on name of person took me to compare page, then on compare page, clicked on the name again and that took me to the shared match/view match page, click on the person's name on that page goes to the ancestry profile].

It's the scrolling and total lack of pages which is the worst, it will be impossible to even try and look through the categories, at least with page divisions you can make a note of where you looked to (and adjust for additions).

not impressed so far

Lisa

 
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: lisalisa on Friday 15 February 19 13:32 GMT (UK)
here's a couple of screen shots of the 'new' menus.

some of the options do look quite useful, I haven't tried 'create a custom group', it could be handy and helpful, but I can't get beyond the scrolling instead of pages.  Say in the 5th to 8th cousins, if you have to start either at the closest (highest cM shared) or new additions, and then scroll and scroll, there will be so many matches lost somewhere in the middle, which are just going to be unreachable,  these would be easier to locate with pages, where you could go to eg. page 20, as you can now.
I'm finding that some of the matches that fall into the 5th - 8th group can be very interesting and relevant, but not if I can't get to them.   :(

btw I am sending feedback to ancestry and hoping someone does actually read it.

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Rezillo on Wednesday 20 February 19 19:42 GMT (UK)
The common ancestor filter is incredibly useful. It appears to be filling in lineage gaps with a combination of people from multiple other Ancestry trees, so distant cousins match up, even if someone has only a handful of people in their tree. It's not perfect and you need to independently verify the 'filled in' gaps but so far mine are about 80% correct. Some stunning distant cousin matches, plus two that resolve a long standing question as to who someone was who married under an assumed name.

Unfortunately, several results showed a likely error in my tree for a distant grandparent's sister. I could confirm this and I ended up deleting 350 people! The rebuilt part now makes a lot more sense.

On the whole, where the common ancestor results are not correct, it's because of an error in a tree that Ancestry selected to fill a gap but so far, some of these appear to have enough geographical correlation to indicate a match perhaps a generation or two further back

You can also group your matches, so I've created groups with family names and bunged in all the common ancestor matches for each one. I've then been working through them to see how accurate they are. This is not difficult  - if a lineage is composed from multiple trees, you can click on each person to see how the tree owner arrived at that result. You can name groups with whatever you like, so no reason why you couldn't create groups not based on names but for various cousin and grandparent levels

Private trees and common ancestors - while you can't view them, you can still click on them to see 'filled in' trees. In these cases, the lineages have lots of blanks marked private but they are still a big help, plus they identify who is worth messaging for more info.

Some issues - if you search by surname, you can't filter the results. I don't like the scrolling list and much prefer page numbers but the group function helps to deal with that.

I think it is a huge improvement - just don't regard common ancestor results as correct without checking them. Just to make it clear, the old system gave matches composed from two trees - yours and the other person's. The new one constructs matches from multiple trees - more to be wrong, of course, but also much that appears to be right.


[edit] Seeing matched trees is not intuitive. First filter by common ancestor. Second, click on the "people number" for one of the results (be adventurous, click on a 5th to 8th cousin with, say, a tree of seven people). Third, in the screen that comes up, there will be a pair of names in the Common Ancestor section. Click the View Relationship link in either one. Fourth, you get a  composite tree appear. Each person in that tree has a clickable link that you can follow to see how the match was derived and who created it.

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Wednesday 20 February 19 20:44 GMT (UK)
Jut marking this so that as and when I transfer to the new beta I might be able to make the best use of it.

Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: weste on Friday 22 February 19 13:00 GMT (UK)
I got the map.I've heard of a few people getting the new beta matches, keeping my eye on the comments. I decided to have a go at automatic clustering done by genetic affairs and that groups matches for me. That seems more useful, based on leeds grouping method .Similar to whart dnagedcom does.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Rezillo on Friday 22 February 19 19:43 GMT (UK)
Looks as if Ancestry have made one small change today to my post above.

You now don't click the "people number" to get the new tree match - that takes you to the 'old' view of just the person's tree and surnames in common with you from that one tree. Instead, you click on the common ancestor link immediately below it. Makes more sense, I suppose.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: hurworth on Friday 22 February 19 21:17 GMT (UK)
I don't have this yet (thankfully) but I'd prefer not to have to scroll.  Findagrave made the same 'improvement', which is fine for short lists but for long ones it's a pain and a waste of time.

Scrolling is better for people using devices and touchscreens but on the laptop I prefer pages.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Friday 22 February 19 21:22 GMT (UK)
Could I ask those who have the beta if you can get back to the old version or is that it  ::)


Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Rezillo on Friday 22 February 19 21:47 GMT (UK)
Could I ask those who have the beta if you can get back to the old version or is that it  ::)

I can't see any obvious way to go back to the old version. I'm reluctant to try editing links in case I end up without the beta version at all - I much prefer it, even with the annoyance of page scrolling.

[edit]. Just to add why I'm keen.  With the old system, I had 22 'hints' where trees were flagged as having a possible ancestor match. I had a further 34 Favourites where I found someone else's tree contained a person in common with my own but were not flagged up by Ancestry as Hints.

With the beta's replacement of 'hints' with 'common ancestors' based on two or more trees, I have 87 Ancestry-flagged matches.

In the beta system, 24 of those 34 Favourites are still not flagged up as having common ancestors. This means that of my 87 people in the new 'common ancestor' category, 22 were already flagged by Ancestry in the old system and 10 were flagged by me. This means I've got 55 entirely new matches, many of them with trees so small that the chances of identifying them under the old system would have been next to zero. So far, the majority of these have been verifiable but it does vary - the new matches for my own tree seem more accurate than my wife's.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: lisalisa on Saturday 23 February 19 09:49 GMT (UK)
Could I ask those who have the beta if you can get back to the old version or is that it  ::)

I haven't seen a way to go back.   :(
I will be sending some more feedback about the unsuitability of scrolling.
No other ancestry results are scrolled.

PS. I don't know if this is affecting everyone (or just the beta), but the last few days (probably most of the week), there haven't been any new matches (usually there are some every day), now this morning, a shed load  ;D
So it doesn't seem to be 'running smoothly' at the moment.

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Janethepain on Saturday 23 February 19 10:32 GMT (UK)
Regarding the beta 'matches map' - which has been there for sometime, and otherwise I don't appear to have got the upgrade discussed above yet, I notice it doesn't map all the matches. 

If I 'filter by relationship' and pick 3rd cousins, then I only have one match showing even though I have 16 3rd cousin matches.  I have assumed this might be because the tested match, maybe didn't specify the place they 'came from' somewhere in the DNA paperwork, but I don't know if this is the case, and I have not yet checked. 

This is very annoying, as I have half a dozen or so matches in that group that I am actively working on, don't know their relationship, exactly, and it would be really useful to see where ( in USA mostly) they were based, as this might help with finding other matches close to them (figuratively as well as genetically) to help me in my analysis.

Oh well C'est la Vie, two steps forward, and one step back, sometimes in this hobby (or 'Way of Life' for me!!)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Saturday 23 February 19 11:28 GMT (UK)
Would I be wrong in thinking that this beta might only be on mobile devices i.e. iPads, Amazon Kindles etc?
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Saturday 23 February 19 11:47 GMT (UK)
Janethepain, It only works where the match has identified their location to ancestry.

I have only a few matches listed on the map.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Rezillo on Saturday 23 February 19 11:48 GMT (UK)
Would I be wrong in thinking that this beta might only be on mobile devices i.e. iPads, Amazon Kindles etc?

PC (Firefox and Chrome) and ipad for me.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: lisalisa on Saturday 23 February 19 12:06 GMT (UK)
Would I be wrong in thinking that this beta might only be on mobile devices i.e. iPads, Amazon Kindles etc?
yes
I'm on a pc, not mobile.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 23 February 19 12:24 GMT (UK)
I'm confused about this because there was a big change last ?summer/autumn. Margaret started a thread,  It was announced discussed here:

http://paulbrooker.posthaven.com/ancestry-dot-com-updates-updated-previews-dna-beta-test-results

Are you sure that it is another version, since there have been no announcements or discussions as there was to the last one.


Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Rezillo on Saturday 23 February 19 12:59 GMT (UK)
It's a brand new interface, plus what were Hints pointing to your tree and a.n.other's are now Common Ancestors pointing to a lineage composed of two or more trees joined up to fill in generation gaps.

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: lisalisa on Saturday 23 February 19 14:37 GMT (UK)
I'm confused about this because there was a big change last ?summer/autumn. Margaret started a thread,  It was announced discussed here:

http://paulbrooker.posthaven.com/ancestry-dot-com-updates-updated-previews-dna-beta-test-results

Are you sure that it is another version, since there have been no announcements or discussions as there was to the last one.


Gadget

just had  a look at the blog post you linked to, I don't think they have 'changed' the ethnicity report in this beta - well apart from the fact that the first time I looked that whole page was missing (it's there now) - this beta seems to be all about the lists.

And if it is supposed to be something to make dna 'more fun', then it's not working for me   ;D >:(
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: davidft on Saturday 23 February 19 14:54 GMT (UK)
It's a brand new interface, plus what were Hints pointing to your tree and a.n.other's are now Common Ancestors pointing to a lineage composed of two or more trees joined up to fill in generation gaps.

Thank you for your posts in this thread. I have been following this thread with interest as on the face of it, it does sound like an exciting development.

OK I am a little concerned with "the pointing to a lineage composed of two or more trees joined up to fill in generation gaps"

given how some of the potential parent hints they give are clearly wrong and yet people still add them to their trees. That said I think there are potentially more positives than negatives.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Rezillo on Saturday 23 February 19 15:23 GMT (UK)
OK I am a little concerned with "the pointing to a lineage composed of two or more trees joined up to fill in generation gaps"

given how some of the potential parent hints they give are clearly wrong and yet people still add them to their trees. That said I think there are potentially more positives than negatives.

You're quite right - you can't take them at face value without conducting your own checks but they have thrown up a huge amount of new leads.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: stevemiller on Wednesday 27 February 19 07:38 GMT (UK)
This morning I noticed a blue "1" next to the "Extras" tab at the top of my Ancestry DNA page.

Being a curious fellow I had a look.

At the bottom of the drop-down "Ancestry Lab" takes you to the option to enable or disable the beta.

Of course, this may not be available to all.

I'm off to check out some of the "common ancestors" matches .....
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 27 February 19 08:39 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Steve. I've just checked and I have it too.

I note that there are instructions for those who have previously used the Chrome browser.


Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: bearkat on Wednesday 27 February 19 09:05 GMT (UK)
This morning I noticed a blue "1" next to the "Extras" tab at the top of my Ancestry DNA page.

Being a curious fellow I had a look.

At the bottom of the drop-down "Ancestry Lab" takes you to the option to enable or disable the beta.

Of course, this may not be available to all.

I'm off to check out some of the "common ancestors" matches .....

This has appeared since I checked Ancestry first thing this morning.

However when I click on Ancestry Lab the page I'm taken to is "no longer available"  :-\
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 27 February 19 09:09 GMT (UK)
It's still there for me. Although it does say this at the top of the section:

Quote
Welcome. Please feel free to join any of our current beta features listed below. These may only be available for a limited time and we hope you enjoy the experience!

If you enable a particular beta feature, we will collect usage data and you may be asked to provide feedback about your experience.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: bearkat on Wednesday 27 February 19 09:16 GMT (UK)
It's there now  :D

I'll see what it does.................
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: lisalisa on Wednesday 27 February 19 09:50 GMT (UK)
thanks Steve,

that wasn't there yesterday.  It's too bad it doesn't have the option to get out of the scrolling pages beta.
I think the new filters are good, but would like the results in pages.

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Wednesday 27 February 19 10:30 GMT (UK)
Bookmarking to follow thread
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: lisalisa on Wednesday 27 February 19 12:41 GMT (UK)
Has anyone, who wasn't on the new beta interface, clicked to try these new 'features'?
If so, have all your results gone to the new/scrolling interface?

thanks
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 27 February 19 14:47 GMT (UK)
Has anyone, who wasn't on the new beta interface, clicked to try these new 'features'?
If so, have all your results gone to the new/scrolling interface?

thanks

Unfortunately yes, and you can't get the pages back  >:(. That's a 'feature' they need to ditch :o! On the plus side, the 'common ancestor' feature now seems to do what the shared ancestor hint was presumably meant to do and finds far more exact tree matches. However if both trees are private, you just get shown private etc., but at least you know there is an exact tree match and you can make contact. Of course it won't show common ancestors for people that haven't linked trees though.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Wednesday 27 February 19 15:03 GMT (UK)
On that new Ancestry Lab page it implies that you can turn these new features on and off at will - I presumed that if you turned all off you would revert to the usual set up.

Is this not the case?

Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 27 February 19 15:39 GMT (UK)
On that new Ancestry Lab page it implies that you can turn these new features on and off at will - I presumed that if you turned all off you would revert to the usual set up.

Is this not the case?

Pheno
You're probably right, there is a disable link for both new features, but I'll have a play around before clicking just in case it disappears permanently ;D.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Wednesday 27 February 19 15:53 GMT (UK)
I've got it today as well.

Plenty to like, not fully explored yet, but what I see is quite nice. The shared ancestor hints is bringing up lots of people I would have missed before, though a couple found so far that are as laughable as their normal tree hints.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: davidft on Wednesday 27 February 19 15:56 GMT (UK)
I think everyone has it, or will be getting it.

I have it yet I have not done a DNA test with them and my tree is private so not sure why  ???
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: stevemiller on Wednesday 27 February 19 16:06 GMT (UK)
I have been popping in and out of the beta during the day - in between sifting compost!

I fear the scroll will win over the page - this is for the so-called "smart" phone users, and is spreading over more and more sites. Don't forget Ancestry want people to have "fun" ! - which presumably includes aimlessly flicking through a listing.

It is a serious drawback for those of us who keep a spreadsheet and want to slot new matches into order on those sheets, and generally to navigate around. In addition, pages allow you to calculate how many matches you have  - I can't see anywhere to work that out now (although to be honest why do I want to know?).

I wonder how Common Ancestors work? - some of my closest matches have minimal trees of a few generations, yet the correct ancestor is being identified. They MUST be using private trees of other users.

I have found a couple of decent - and correct - matches, crossing over 2 or 3 missing generations.
BUT also some absolute howlers !!!  All part of the "fun".
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 27 February 19 17:10 GMT (UK)
I've realised, that even if both trees are private, you can work out the link, by following the chain of sexes as it shows a tree linking the two, with blue for male and pink for female.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: stonechat on Wednesday 27 February 19 21:02 GMT (UK)
Thrulines is the best new beta feature it is sensational i, suddenly I can work out many more connections
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: clayton bradley on Wednesday 27 February 19 21:34 GMT (UK)
It's very good, but the line of my direct ancestors has a mistake in it. They have swapped my ancestor and his wife for an identically named cousin and his differently named wife. Otherwise they all seem to be correct. One tree they said had a matching name, didn't, when I went to that tree. I suppose they will iron these glitches out. cb
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 27 February 19 21:40 GMT (UK)
Thrulines is the best new beta feature it is sensational i, suddenly I can work out many more connections
Unfortunately the first ones I looked at were completely wrong ;D. I have to say, although originally against the idea the scrolling is growing on me ::). Originally to skip pages, there was about a 3-4 second wait, but now there is just a micro second pause as you scroll down. The only thing that concerns me is the memory running out if you scroll ad infinitum.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 27 February 19 21:55 GMT (UK)
It's very good, but the line of my direct ancestors has a mistake in it. They have swapped my ancestor and his wife for an identically named cousin and his differently named wife. Otherwise they all seem to be correct. One tree they said had a matching name, didn't, when I went to that tree. I suppose they will iron these glitches out. cb
The Thrulines is even worse than I thought! Having made this wrong connection around the 1850s, it now gives me all of these legions of ancestors of these wrong relatives, back to the 1600s, some people of which will now gleefully add to their trees ::) ::). The other lines I checked, on different parts of my tree were also wrong :(.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: MIG79 on Wednesday 27 February 19 22:22 GMT (UK)
My reaction to Thrulines is very positive. I have found a good link to a cousin with only 10cM and another with only 17cM. I think they would have been difficult to connect having female lines.
The ones I know about and would expect to see are there. This gives confidence that some of early guesswork  was actually correct. I like it.
I also like the Common Ancestor feature. I think these two features will build up real links over time.

However I can see many people just copying the ones from further back form other trees with out research. They should of course be worked through properly.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 27 February 19 22:43 GMT (UK)
My reaction to Thrulines is very positive. I have found a good link to a cousin with only 10cM and another with only 17cM. I think they would have been difficult to connect having female lines.
The ones I know about and would expect to see are there. This gives confidence that some of early guesswork  was actually correct. I like it.
I also like the Common Ancestor feature. I think these two features will build up real links over time.

However I can see many people just copying the ones from further back form other trees with out research. They should of course be worked through properly.
As far as I can see they have exactly the same problem as the Ancestry tree 'hints', i.e. the criteria seems to be if one person has it on a public tree, ancestry will suggest it, without any checking whatsoever. Then of course, after a few people have accepted the hint, others see how many people have the same link and assume it must be right. Thrulines is just taking ancestry tree hints and attaching them to DNA links.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Wednesday 27 February 19 23:13 GMT (UK)
Thrulines is only showing one of my families. The other thingy, which I found but now can't, wouldn't work.
Where did I find it?
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Thursday 28 February 19 04:28 GMT (UK)
Found a very odd one on my husband's side.

Ancestry is suggesting that his grandfather was not Joseph A 1881 - 1956, but was John A 1857 - 1932.

Leading back from this, he is supposedly descended from Z family from Lancashire and Derbyshire.  I have his grandfather documented and sourced, originally from Wakefield, Yorkshire. I must have got it wrong, I'll change everything.  I'm getting many suggestions for husband's incorrect line in Thrulines, which is annoying.  I have sent feedback, but don't know if it will get sorted out.

Certainly work to be done, but seems to be working well for me mostly.

Regards Margaret

Modified
This will potentially annoy a lot of people and could backfire on ancestry -
They are giving suggestions from people's private trees attached to their DNA, which will certainly help, but some people may opt out.

But I also noticed 2 suggested potential ancestors for me. I got a bit excited, thinking I might have a breakthrough on one of my lines, a suggested DNA match from these 2.

The suggested match turned out to be my first cousin.
The suggested potential ancestors were taken from my private tree which is not attached to my DNA results.
These 2 don't appear on my DNA tree, as I am working on them, didn't want everyone copying potentially incorrect information.

Some people will be very annoyed if and when they find out - but they probably won't find out if they haven't had their DNA tested.

Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: stevemiller on Thursday 28 February 19 06:34 GMT (UK)
The DNA Geek has some articles covering the new features

https://thednageek.com/2019/02/
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Janethepain on Thursday 28 February 19 07:30 GMT (UK)
You do appear, at least currently, to be able to go back and forward between the old & beta system, as I have now done it.

Helpful for me, as I can't see how to filter matched by geographical region in the beta version, which I found very useful in my investigations!!
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Thursday 28 February 19 07:43 GMT (UK)
It's going to take up a lot of time. With so many new leads, my starred matches has gone up dramatically and I haven't got through many of them as yet. The work still has to be done, as many have said, of verifying their suggestions.

Add in the new Ancestry tags, which are slso very useful. They are working well, the few that I have added so far, but will also be quite time consuming.

New & Improved DNA Matches, Thrulines and Tags are all good additions to aid research, but I still wish they had a chromosome browser.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: familydar on Thursday 28 February 19 08:21 GMT (UK)
Has anyone read through to the final sentence of thednageek link given by stevemiller three or four posts back?  Is an ancestrydna sub just around the corner?

Jane :-)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Thursday 28 February 19 10:23 GMT (UK)
It does say the following on DNA home page -

'Access to Thrulines Beta is available to customers without an Ancestry subscription for a limited time.'

I have a rolling subscription to ancestry so it won't affect me.

The original thread I think was about the New & improved DNA Matches beta, which might not need a subscription.

Most of my matches don't appear to have a subscription, do hopefully they will still be able to use the new system.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: familydar on Thursday 28 February 19 11:01 GMT (UK)
What I was wondering Margaret is whether AncestryDNA would become separated from the traditional Ancestry, and require its own sub.  The way things stand lots of people take a DNA test for ethnicity purposes and have no interest in family history so they don't take out a sub and after their results are in they never come back.  If the DNA test came with an inclusive sub, perhaps to trees only, for the first 6 months/1 year, in the hope of getting them hooked, I can see that when it expired some people would be prepared to pay a token amount (initially) to be able to keep checking back.  Small step then to completely separating the genetics from the paper trail.

Hope I'm not giving them ideas  ;)

If they are reading this, something I'd like to see is an indication of which of the numerous trees offered as hints has a DNA match to me, without having to click each user in turn.

Jane :-)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: davidft on Thursday 28 February 19 13:06 GMT (UK)
This will potentially annoy a lot of people and could backfire on ancestry -
They are giving suggestions from people's private trees attached to their DNA, which will certainly help, but some people may opt out.
 

But the remedy is there. A tree can be searchable or not searchable. If people don't want suggestions taken from their private tree just make it non searchable


But I also noticed 2 suggested potential ancestors for me. I got a bit excited, thinking I might have a breakthrough on one of my lines, a suggested DNA match from these 2.

The suggested match turned out to be my first cousin.
The suggested potential ancestors were taken from my private tree which is not attached to my DNA results.
These 2 don't appear on my DNA tree, as I am working on them, didn't want everyone copying potentially incorrect information.

Some people will be very annoyed if and when they find out - but they probably won't find out if they haven't had their DNA tested.
 

Might the suggestion here be to keep your tree private and searchable as now but to do your “thinking” on a separate private and non-searchable tree and that why your musings will not end up as suggestions to others.
I do appreciate the problem of the potential parents hints Ancestry give and have on a few occasions given them feedback as to why their suggestions are wrong but never got any feedback from them on the points I made.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Thursday 28 February 19 13:45 GMT (UK)
This will potentially annoy a lot of people and could backfire on ancestry -
They are giving suggestions from people's private trees attached to their DNA, which will certainly help, but some people may opt out.
 

But the remedy is there. A tree can be searchable or not searchable. If people don't want suggestions taken from their private tree just make it non searchable


But I also noticed 2 suggested potential ancestors for me. I got a bit excited, thinking I might have a breakthrough on one of my lines, a suggested DNA match from these 2.

The suggested match turned out to be my first cousin.
The suggested potential ancestors were taken from my private tree which is not attached to my DNA results.
These 2 don't appear on my DNA tree, as I am working on them, didn't want everyone copying potentially incorrect information.

Some people will be very annoyed if and when they find out - but they probably won't find out if they haven't had their DNA tested.
 

Might the suggestion here be to keep your tree private and searchable as now but to do your “thinking” on a separate private and non-searchable tree and that why your musings will not end up as suggestions to others.
I do appreciate the problem of the potential parents hints Ancestry give and have on a few occasions given them feedback as to why their suggestions are wrong but never got any feedback from them on the points I made.

Some excellent suggestions, David.

I'll see how things go with Beta mode, things might change.

I am not particularly bothered, it's other people that may be - if this leads to widescale private non searchable trees, we will all be much worse off, I think.

Regards Margaret

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 February 19 16:24 GMT (UK)
Had a better look today, I appear to only have ThurLines and there I have 15 matches. Just went through them all and it was great, a few I already knew and had been in contact with but a couple were non responders to messages so I was able to work out where they fitted, a few others were up to 5th to 8th cousin which I wouldn't even have looked at before.
I'm happy with how it worked.
Just a pity no one from my father's side has a tree so no matches on ThruLines on that side.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Thursday 28 February 19 16:37 GMT (UK)
Sinann, Are you looking in the right place?

Any page > Top middle> Extras> Ancestry Labs > My Tree Tags and New & Improved DNA Matches, both beta

You say you only have 15 ThruLine suggestions. Do you meet the following criteria?

1) AncestryDNA results linked to a public tree or a private searchable one
(2) DNA matches also linked to a tree, and
(3) A tree that extends back at least 3–4 generations

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Thursday 28 February 19 16:39 GMT (UK)
Had a better look today, I appear to only have ThurLines and there I have 15 matches. Just went through them all and it was great, a few I already knew and had been in contact with but a couple were non responders to messages so I was able to work out where they fitted, a few others were up to 5th to 8th cousin which I wouldn't even have looked at before.
I'm happy with how it worked.
Just a pity no one from my father's side has a tree so no matches on ThruLines on that side.
Sorry to be a party pooper :P ;D, but I really think people need to not give in to the 'rush' of having these new promising ancestors appear. Really this Thruline is the exact same thing as Ancestry tree hints, with the only difference that it is now tied to DNA. We on the board have pretty much condemned tree hints as an almost unmitigated disaster, spreading wrong links multiple times over with the ease of being able to copy onto your own. In my case at least 60% of these Thruline matches are wrong, even when multiple DNA matches are showing, because people have simply chosen the wrong person, but with the same name and rough birthdate, and proceeded to trace back 100+ years, providing zillions of other exciting Thruline matches, but I know they're all wrong :-\.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 28 February 19 16:46 GMT (UK)
Totally agree. melba.  Also, the My Heritage 'Theory of Family Relativity ' appears to be the same!

Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 February 19 16:51 GMT (UK)
Had a better look today, I appear to only have ThurLines and there I have 15 matches. Just went through them all and it was great, a few I already knew and had been in contact with but a couple were non responders to messages so I was able to work out where they fitted, a few others were up to 5th to 8th cousin which I wouldn't even have looked at before.
I'm happy with how it worked.
Just a pity no one from my father's side has a tree so no matches on ThruLines on that side.
Sorry to be a party pooper :P ;D, but I really think people need to not give in to the 'rush' of having these new promising ancestors appear. Really this Thruline is the exact same thing as Ancestry tree hints, with the only difference that it is now tied to DNA. We on the board have pretty much condemned tree hints as an almost unmitigated disaster, spreading wrong links multiple times over with the ease of being able to copy onto your own. In my case at least 60% of these Thruline matches are wrong, even when multiple DNA matches are showing, because people have simply chosen the wrong person, but with the same name and rough birthdate, and proceeded to trace back 100+ years, providing zillions of other exciting Thruline matches, but I know they're all wrong :-\.

I'm sure your correct but I didn't just slot them in willy nilly I checked all the shared matches, it is possible they have connected themselves to the wrong person but they do at least connect to the correct family,
and I've only listed them under their believed ancestor on my offline tree so I won't be sending anyone astray.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 February 19 16:54 GMT (UK)
Sinann, Are you looking in the right place?

Any page > Top middle> Extras> Ancestry Labs > My Tree Tags and New & Improved DNA Matches, both beta


I'll check that later, I did find it last night but couldn't remember how I got there, wouldn't work at the time though.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 February 19 16:56 GMT (UK)
Sinann, Are you looking in the right place?

Any page > Top middle> Extras> Ancestry Labs > My Tree Tags and New & Improved DNA Matches, both beta

You say you only have 15 ThruLine suggestions. Do you meet the following criteria?

1) AncestryDNA results linked to a public tree or a private searchable one
(2) DNA matches also linked to a tree, and
(3) A tree that extends back at least 3–4 generations

Regards Margaret
I don't have a subscription so I only have a tree linked to my DNA and yes it goes back 4 generations
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Thursday 28 February 19 17:15 GMT (UK)
Totally agree. melba.  Also, the My Heritage 'Theory of Family Relativity ' appears to be the same!

Gadget
Thanks :). I am worried we are all going to go a bit mad with a new toy...but it's just the same old thing as before with a posh new name, which they no doubt took weeks to come up with, with numerous meetings and cake served ;D ;D.

Had a better look today, I appear to only have ThurLines and there I have 15 matches. Just went through them all and it was great, a few I already knew and had been in contact with but a couple were non responders to messages so I was able to work out where they fitted, a few others were up to 5th to 8th cousin which I wouldn't even have looked at before.
I'm happy with how it worked.
Just a pity no one from my father's side has a tree so no matches on ThruLines on that side.
Sorry to be a party pooper :P ;D, but I really think people need to not give in to the 'rush' of having these new promising ancestors appear. Really this Thruline is the exact same thing as Ancestry tree hints, with the only difference that it is now tied to DNA. We on the board have pretty much condemned tree hints as an almost unmitigated disaster, spreading wrong links multiple times over with the ease of being able to copy onto your own. In my case at least 60% of these Thruline matches are wrong, even when multiple DNA matches are showing, because people have simply chosen the wrong person, but with the same name and rough birthdate, and proceeded to trace back 100+ years, providing zillions of other exciting Thruline matches, but I know they're all wrong :-\.

I'm sure your correct but I didn't just slot them in willy nilly I checked all the shared matches, it is possible they have connected themselves to the wrong person but they do at least connect to the correct family,
and I've only listed them under their believed ancestor on my offline tree so I won't be sending anyone astray.
That's the thing - I have one ancestor, that if I didn't know otherwise, it would look like an absolute cert, and on Thrulines it is showing as a DNA link to three other people all neatly tracing back to this one person. But that person is the mother of someone of the same name, not our ancestor. They didn't find the right link because I found the baptism from a local baptism index rather than the big websites. People should always try these local indexes such as family history society or private indexes if a search fails on the main sites. People may be under the impression that because there is a DNA link that gives these ancestors credence, I am afraid it doesn't at all.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 February 19 17:53 GMT (UK)
Sinann, Are you looking in the right place?

Any page > Top middle> Extras> Ancestry Labs > My Tree Tags and New & Improved DNA Matches, both beta


I'll check that later, I did find it last night but couldn't remember how I got there, wouldn't work at the time though.

Ah ha, Thanks, found it.
Choice of two, something about tags and trees, didn't bother with that.
Improved matches, tried that, seems okay at least you can see your notes along side the match a bit easier.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 28 February 19 18:27 GMT (UK)
Totally agree. melba.  Also, the My Heritage 'Theory of Family Relativity ' appears to be the same!

Gadget
Thanks :). I am worried we are all going to go a bit mad with a new toy...but it's just the same old thing as before with a posh new name, which they no doubt took weeks to come up with, with numerous meetings and cake served ;D ;D.

Had a better look today, I appear to only have ThurLines and there I have 15 matches. Just went through them all and it was great, a few I already knew and had been in contact with but a couple were non responders to messages so I was able to work out where they fitted, a few others were up to 5th to 8th cousin which I wouldn't even have looked at before.
I'm happy with how it worked.
Just a pity no one from my father's side has a tree so no matches on ThruLines on that side.
Sorry to be a party pooper :P ;D, but I really think people need to not give in to the 'rush' of having these new promising ancestors appear. Really this Thruline is the exact same thing as Ancestry tree hints, with the only difference that it is now tied to DNA. We on the board have pretty much condemned tree hints as an almost unmitigated disaster, spreading wrong links multiple times over with the ease of being able to copy onto your own. In my case at least 60% of these Thruline matches are wrong, even when multiple DNA matches are showing, because people have simply chosen the wrong person, but with the same name and rough birthdate, and proceeded to trace back 100+ years, providing zillions of other exciting Thruline matches, but I know they're all wrong :-\.

I'm sure your correct but I didn't just slot them in willy nilly I checked all the shared matches, it is possible they have connected themselves to the wrong person but they do at least connect to the correct family,
and I've only listed them under their believed ancestor on my offline tree so I won't be sending anyone astray.
That's the thing - I have one ancestor, that if I didn't know otherwise, it would look like an absolute cert, and on Thrulines it is showing as a DNA link to three other people all neatly tracing back to this one person. But that person is the mother of someone of the same name, not our ancestor. They didn't find the right link because I found the baptism from a local baptism index rather than the big websites. People should always try these local indexes such as family history society or private indexes if a search fails on the main sites. People may be under the impression that because there is a DNA link that gives these ancestors credence, I am afraid it doesn't at all.
That a shame, and must be very annoying but in this case the 3 people I'm looking at, 2 I also match to one of their parents and if the parents can't get their grandparents names correct that there is no hope. The other one I'm a bit wary of I need to chat to some contacts and send him a message.

I should also add of my 15 matches on ThruLines 8 descend from the same couple (including the 3 in question) so it's easy enough to cross reference with the ones I'm in contact with. About 70% of all my known DNA matches are from one set of my great great grandparents, I think we all inherited the same genealogy bug from them ;D.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Thursday 28 February 19 18:56 GMT (UK)

Sorry to be a party pooper :P ;D, but I really think people need to not give in to the 'rush' of having these new promising ancestors appear. Really this Thruline is the exact same thing as Ancestry tree hints, with the only difference that it is now tied to DNA. We on the board have pretty much condemned tree hints as an almost unmitigated disaster, spreading wrong links multiple times over with the ease of being able to copy onto your own. In my case at least 60% of these Thruline matches are wrong, even when multiple DNA matches are showing, because people have simply chosen the wrong person, but with the same name and rough birthdate, and proceeded to trace back 100+ years, providing zillions of other exciting Thruline matches, but I know they're all wrong :-\.

I think we are all in agreement here melba, each DNA clue has to be properly evaluated.

But it isn't mainly a case of people choosing the 'wrong person with the same name and rough birthdate' though there will be some.

It is Ancestry, picking A from one tree, B from another tree, C from another tree, then combining them into one big line of descent, sometimes correct, often incorrect. The match hasn't got the wrong tree at all, it is Ancestry at fault.

Hopefully teething problems - on my side I have found two definite false connections, several which will need further investigation, but the majority appear to be valid matches (not Thruline, but New & Improved DNA Matches, checking out shared ancestor hints).

It is still in beta phase, I have given feedback, I think we all need to do so to make the most of this new offering.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Thursday 28 February 19 20:19 GMT (UK)
I think we are all in agreement here melba, each DNA clue has to be properly evaluated.

But it isn't mainly a case of people choosing the 'wrong person with the same name and rough birthdate' though there will be some.

It is Ancestry, picking A from one tree, B from another tree, C from another tree, then combining them into one big line of descent, sometimes correct, often incorrect. The match hasn't got the wrong tree at all, it is Ancestry at fault.
In my case, it is definitely the case of someone, rather than searching out the parish indicated by census entries, took a baptism in a nearby county ;D, and then proceeded to trace that person's ancestry back over 100 years, all of which ancestors now show up on my Thruline :-\ and seem to have been copied to multiple trees. I think it is a bit of a plague now, people just think ALL records must be online and if they can't find it, it must not exist. But in this case the parish is covered by no online indexes, only a private index (but as I said, you could also go to the register at the local record office).


Hopefully teething problems - on my side I have found two definite false connections, several which will need further investigation, but the majority appear to be valid matches (not Thruline, but New & Improved DNA Matches, checking out shared ancestor hints).

It is still in beta phase, I have given feedback, I think we all need to do so to make the most of this new offering.

Regards Margaret
I agree that the common ancestor thing seems to be more reliable, but I am not sure if that is just luck so far. I am not sure if you match some but not all of the other person's tree, whether it still shows up as a common ancestor?
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Kimbrey on Saturday 02 March 19 15:50 GMT (UK)
I have seperated  my mother's line(Irish roots) from my main tree as that one was where I was stuck!
I attached my DNA to that tree(maternal line) as  I have my paternal line back to the 1600s.

I tried the Trulines option and it is a mess,presumably because my autDNA is from both parents but is only reading names attached to that one line? ???

Cannot find a way to escape back to previous method or delete the obvious false "Potential Ancestors"

I do not "do" Facebook but I believe there has been a lot of comment on there about this change.

Kim
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: jillruss on Sunday 03 March 19 15:07 GMT (UK)
Had a better look today, I appear to only have ThurLines and there I have 15 matches. Just went through them all and it was great, a few I already knew and had been in contact with but a couple were non responders to messages so I was able to work out where they fitted, a few others were up to 5th to 8th cousin which I wouldn't even have looked at before.
I'm happy with how it worked.
Just a pity no one from my father's side has a tree so no matches on ThruLines on that side.
Sorry to be a party pooper :P ;D, but I really think people need to not give in to the 'rush' of having these new promising ancestors appear. Really this Thruline is the exact same thing as Ancestry tree hints, with the only difference that it is now tied to DNA. We on the board have pretty much condemned tree hints as an almost unmitigated disaster, spreading wrong links multiple times over with the ease of being able to copy onto your own. In my case at least 60% of these Thruline matches are wrong, even when multiple DNA matches are showing, because people have simply chosen the wrong person, but with the same name and rough birthdate, and proceeded to trace back 100+ years, providing zillions of other exciting Thruline matches, but I know they're all wrong :-\.

I have to agree with this conclusion. I've only just started looking at these ThruLines but it strikes me that - as with those hints - you'll waste an awful lot of time discovering not much at all. I remember spending days going through my '99+' hints when I first received my DNA results, all to no avail. In thw words of The Who 'I Won't Get Fooled Again'.

Instead of introducing these gimmicks, I wish the Men (and women) In Suits at Ancestry would do a brainstorming session on how to persuade testers to include a family tree. It doesn't have to be huge - I've managed to find links with people showing just 3 or 4 people on their trees. Failing that, at least try to persuade them to complete their own personal details, as in location, age and real name (for those who insist on using silly cryptic usernames or, even worse, those annoying initials which are neither use nor ornament).

I appreciate Ancestry won't want to put people off taking the test but surely their marketing people can come up with a persuasive answer and convince them it will be to their advantage?
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 03 March 19 15:29 GMT (UK)
I think, at a late age, I've become a Luddite.

 I'm not impressed and Thrulines is worse than useless. My own methods are yielding far more than theirs.

Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 03 March 19 15:34 GMT (UK)
What triggers them to disappear? I've only got two left. I only looked at all of them, I didn't add them to anything.
Easy come easy go, they were fun while I had them.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Finley 1 on Sunday 03 March 19 15:37 GMT (UK)
binned that idea

guess who

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: MIG79 on Sunday 03 March 19 16:09 GMT (UK)
I'm going to swim against the tide here and say I'm finding these "New Products" quite useful.
I actually watched the Crista Cowan (Barefoot Genealogist) video presentation, all 56 minutes.
I thought that was very informative..

So I'm going to grab my tin hat and go and watch the football!
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Rezillo on Sunday 03 March 19 16:50 GMT (UK)
I've found the Thru Lines of very little help but otherwise, it's been fine for me.

Common ancestors has been incredibly useful. I've got about 10% wrong on my tree and 20% or so on my partner's. That increase for the latter is entirely down to one family with both a lot of DNA-linked descendants and a lot of copied wrong links. Remove people connected to that one family from the results and it's down to about 10%.

I guess that if someone's tree has several of these families, then their error rate will be a lot higher but that is more a case of bad luck rather than a fault of the system.

For me, I have a large number of entirely new, verifiable links, often at cousin levels I would never have bothered with looking at before. I would not want to go back to the old system at all. I'd still be better off if half the matches were wrong!
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: familydar on Sunday 03 March 19 17:01 GMT (UK)
For my higher matches I'd already identified the common ancestors and made a note against the match, so it was just a case of giving them a group - I like groups, more user-friendly than the chrome add-on I was using previously.

Now I'm working through the suggested common ancestors for my lower ranked matches and whilst one or two have come good, a large number of them seem to depend on "tree-hopping" and these are iffy at best.  The usual complaint of someone with approximately the right name born 150 years earlier or later and on a different continent.

Jane :-)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Sunday 03 March 19 17:02 GMT (UK)
What triggers them to disappear? I've only got two left. I only looked at all of them, I didn't add them to anything.
Easy come easy go, they were fun while I had them.

I was going to ask how to deleter/ignore them like you can Ancestry Hints (which is what I end up doing most of the time) but can't find that option with Thrulines.

Maybe mine will also just disappear at some point.

Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 03 March 19 17:15 GMT (UK)
What triggers them to disappear? I've only got two left. I only looked at all of them, I didn't add them to anything.
Easy come easy go, they were fun while I had them.

I was going to ask how to deleter/ignore them like you can Ancestry Hints (which is what I end up doing most of the time) but can't find that option with Thrulines.

Maybe mine will also just disappear at some point.

Pheno
Maybe it's different if you have a sub, but I would just not click on it.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Sunday 03 March 19 17:47 GMT (UK)
I have mixed opinions about Thrulines, mainly negative, but New and Improved DNA matches I do like. Abilities to tag and sort matches in up to 24 different groups/colours is what a lot of people have been asking for for a long time.

Certainly room for improvement but better than just having one favourite yellow star.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Phil Goater on Sunday 03 March 19 18:52 GMT (UK)
Initially I was impressed as Thrulines appeared to break down a brick wall but having played with it for a bit I’m not so sure. I found that they’d established a DNA distant cousin through my step great grandmother’s line. This didn’t compare to the number of matches through my great grandad’s first wife and somehow I doubt the veracity of their find. It’s also suggested, without any DNA back up, an identity for a 4x great grandfather which I’m confident is a spurious connection on somebody else’s tree. Not as helpful as I first thought and to be treated with caution! It does however suggest lines of enquiry.
Phil
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 03 March 19 21:04 GMT (UK)
For my higher matches I'd already identified the common ancestors and made a note against the match, so it was just a case of giving them a group - I like groups, more user-friendly than the chrome add-on I was using previously.

Now I'm working through the suggested common ancestors for my lower ranked matches and whilst one or two have come good, a large number of them seem to depend on "tree-hopping" and these are iffy at best.  The usual complaint of someone with approximately the right name born 150 years earlier or later and on a different continent.

Jane :-)


The colour coding is very useful but I'm yet to find a way of adding notes unless I disable and go back to the standard version.  Have I missed an option?
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: familydar on Sunday 03 March 19 21:15 GMT (UK)
No Gadget, I've found that to be a pain too, although rather than toggle the new features on and off I've found that if you click the username from within whichever new page you're on, you can then edit the notes field.  But the pretty colour coded groups aren't visible.  I'm making a lot of use of notepad (other text editors are available  ;)) so I can formulate what I want to write then cut and paste.

Perhaps once it passes from beta to live it will become more integrated.

Jane :-)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 03 March 19 21:37 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Jane. I thought I'd tried that so will go back and try again.

Going through to colour code, I've managed to find some low cM matches that I'd added notes to but were way down the listings. I've even managed to find a match to my Shropshire Sandlands (must be a 5x grd link), which had somehow got buried!

Added - by clicking on the tree details in a listing, you can get to the old version!

Must admit that I am coming round to it now - not the Thrulines though.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Monday 04 March 19 18:48 GMT (UK)
Found a very odd one on my husband's side.

Ancestry is suggesting that his grandfather was not Joseph A 1881 - 1956, but was John A 1857 - 1932.

Leading back from this, he is supposedly descended from Z family from Lancashire and Derbyshire.  I have his grandfather documented and sourced, originally from Wakefield, Yorkshire. I must have got it wrong, I'll change everything.  I'm getting many suggestions for husband's incorrect line in Thrulines, which is annoying.  I have sent feedback, but don't know if it will get sorted out.

Regards Margaret

Today I notice this has been rectified, and my husband has the correct documented ancestors with some useful hints re matches. Not sure if this is because I sent feedback or because things are settling down a bit.

Still plenty of other mistakes/assumptions, though.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Finley 1 on Monday 04 March 19 19:22 GMT (UK)
re- thought :)


xin
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Wednesday 06 March 19 05:49 GMT (UK)
Ancestry, You are the most irresponsible company.

I have been checking the New and Improved DNA matches daily, with the filter Common Ancestor. I can easily see when new matches appear because I immediately tag them as I review them - coloured star to indicate add to favourites, more research needed, invalid match etc.

Today a new match, sharing 7 cMs, common Ancestor supposedly my 4G grandparents, her 5G grandparents. The match has one person in her tree, herself.

This connection may or may not be valid, but I feel it is utterly wrong of ancestry to assume that her parents are who they think they are, then carry on with these assumptions re parentage for 6 more generations.

It won't stop me trying to confirm this match, who I would not have found any other way,  But genealogy is about so much more than wild assumptions, based on one name.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: pharmaT on Wednesday 06 March 19 09:45 GMT (UK)
I like the way I no longer have to manually divide my matches into my mum's side and Dad's side.  I also like that I can create groups so that I can sort my matches within the results area as I work through them.


I like the layout of through lines but find some of the suggested common ancestors a bit dodgy to say the least.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Wednesday 06 March 19 12:30 GMT (UK)
Ancestry, You are the most irresponsible company.

I have been checking the New and Improved DNA matches daily, with the filter Common Ancestor. I can easily see when new matches appear because I immediately tag them as I review them - coloured star to indicate add to favourites, more research needed, invalid match etc.

Today a new match, sharing 7 cMs, common Ancestor supposedly my 4G grandparents, her 5G grandparents. The match has one person in her tree, herself.

This connection may or may not be valid, but I feel it is utterly wrong of ancestry to assume that her parents are who they think they are, then carry on with these assumptions re parentage for 6 more generations.

It won't stop me trying to confirm this match, who I would not have found any other way,  But genealogy is about so much more than wild assumptions, based on one name.

Regards Margaret
Margaret I can see the logic of how they might do that i.e. they can tell from a very high centimorgan link to another testee, that they are a full sibling, and that full sibling has a much more substantial tree that either links directly to your 4G grandparents, or partially the way, and Ancestry are using the new Thruline 'intelligence' to join trees up. Of course, we all know the hazards that brings as already detailed.
  I have to say, the common ancestor feature, possibly using this Thruline technology has actually thrown up a revelation for me of linking a large number of American relatives to my own tree, using the data from theirs' and possibly data from my private tree where I traced a migratory line from UK-US and linking it up. So on the one hand I'm happy, on the other hand a bit annoyed this data from my private tree was taken, but no doubt it was my fault for not reading the old or updated terms and conditions :P.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: DevonCruwys on Wednesday 06 March 19 13:43 GMT (UK)
In case it's of any interest I've written a blog post about the new AncestryDNA features:

https://cruwys.blogspot.com/2019/03/ancestry-updates-at-rootstech-thrulines.html (https://cruwys.blogspot.com/2019/03/ancestry-updates-at-rootstech-thrulines.html)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Wednesday 06 March 19 14:15 GMT (UK)
Interesting read thanks.

I have really only had a dabble so far but wondered whether there was a way of deleting a record
card on Thrulines (or ignore if that is Ancestry speak) as there is the option to ignore shaking leaf hints.

One of my record cards is quite obviously rubbish - just trees of the same name attached and I would like to exclude it from the list - is there any option to do that.

Also, new matches indicated by a blue dot, used to be able to be reapplied if one took a look and then wanted this indicator to remain.  I can't see a way to reapply it now either.

Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: DevonCruwys on Wednesday 06 March 19 14:31 GMT (UK)
Pheno

There isn't currently an option to hide or delete wrong record cards. I will pass on this Feedback along with the suggestion of reverting to unseen matches.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Wednesday 06 March 19 14:44 GMT (UK)
Pheno, If the blue dot disappears you can always give it another colour of your choice in the 'new' view.

Also by clicking on the matches name and getting the 'old' view you can still reapply the blue dot.

This then appears in the 'new' view.

As for deleting incorrect cards - DevonCruwys has given the answer in her blog, though I hadn't noticed it until today. 
Explore Thrulines>Filter by Ancestors from linked tree. This should get rid of all the unwanted cards, it has done for me. If I want to see potential ancestors I can still do so, but generally I prefer to work things out in the traditional way by myself.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Wednesday 06 March 19 14:53 GMT (UK)
Thanks Margaret, I hadn't thought about swapping between the two views to reinstate the blue dot - although I presume this ability will disappear when we are all on the new beta site without the option to return to the previous site.  As you say though I could have a colour for new in the new grouping system.

As to the record cards - I quite like the new ThruLines system but I would like to get rid of at least one potential ancestor for good as it is so obviously rubbish.  Although as you say I can filter out those without linked trees I am assuming that over time the number of record cards for potential ancestors will increase as new dna tests are taken and if I filter as suggested might I not miss these?

Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Wednesday 06 March 19 15:12 GMT (UK)
Pheno, It filters out direct ancestors from your linked tree, i.e. you will get no potential ancestor cards if you select 'Filter by Ancestors from your linked tree.

If you want to see just suggested potential ancestors you can do that as well. By using the filter you can separate them into two groups. These potential ancestor hints are already visible when you look at hints on someone's profile. I might look at them from time to time, but would prefer to investigate for myself!

As you say, who knows what the outcome will be after the beta phase is over, might be something different again.

Currently two things which you have to go to the old view for - making notes and viewing shared locations on the map.

Regards Margaret

Modified - You also need the old view for surnames and pedigrees
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Wednesday 06 March 19 15:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your help but I want more Margaret!  I want to be able to look at the record cards for potential ancestors and then investigate and decide for myself whether I think they are real potentials or not.

Where I can see that they quite clearly are not I would like to be able to delete/ignore the ThruLines record card so that they never appear in this category again.

I don't think I am able to do that currently am I?

I am only asking for the same as I can currently do with the hints that are currently offered. Where these are obviously incorrect I can get rid of them - I would like to be able to do the same with my ancestor record cards.

Will add this to my feedback.

Regards, Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: rsel on Wednesday 06 March 19 17:52 GMT (UK)
Is anybody else got the issue that you have no thrulines at all ?   I have plenty of share hints and 4 DNA circles, but the thrulines shows nothing at all, and the filters on the new view don't even pick up my parents as being common ancestors !!!  I have tried contacting support but they haven't answered, but all is suspect is a standard off the shelf answer when they do that I need to link my tree (which has bene linked for almost a year now...)


Richard
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Alandal on Wednesday 06 March 19 19:05 GMT (UK)
Richard,

It’s the same for us, no ThruLines are being shown, whilst we have numerous matches including known tree matches.

Al & Al
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: rsel on Thursday 07 March 19 19:02 GMT (UK)
Richard,

It’s the same for us, no ThruLines are being shown, whilst we have numerous matches including known tree matches.

Al & Al
Glad its not just me, but sad its happening.....Still waiting for support to respond to me
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: lisalisa on Thursday 07 March 19 20:04 GMT (UK)
Noticed this today - the numbers have been added to the categories under the 'all matches' drop down menu.
I like it, but looking at the number of distant matches, (personally I have found it relevant to look at some of these, particularly those not far below the 20cMs), even if I only wanted to look at say 10% of the total, I can't see how I could scroll through that many.

I think we need to be able to apply multiple filters and/or divide the distant matches into smaller groups according to cM's otherwise they are 'lost'.

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 07 March 19 20:12 GMT (UK)
Just looked. It's quite useful. I thought I that one of my main paternal lines was the largest but it turns out that the largest group is one of my maternal lines. It also tells me that I have 46,887 matches - I hope they don't all want Christmas cards   :o
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: smudwhisk on Thursday 07 March 19 20:27 GMT (UK)
Richard,

It’s the same for us, no ThruLines are being shown, whilst we have numerous matches including known tree matches.

Al & Al
Glad its not just me, but sad its happening.....Still waiting for support to respond to me

I've no ThruLines too, tells me to add more people to my tree, which has 1203 directline ancestors on it.  Then again I never had any circles because it is a private tree.  I suspect it is probably because I've not saved any Ancestry records to it so it hasn't been indexed.

As for the numbers on the drop down for All Matches, I've apparently got over 34k matches in total. :o  I'm sure I've not scrolled through that many since the end of January ....
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 07 March 19 21:58 GMT (UK)
Here's the answer that I've just  received about the non-appearance of Thrulines:

Quote

 
Thank you for contacting Ancestry in regards to DNA ThruLines.

I can confirm for you that as this is a new feature not everyone will have this instantly. This is something that is slowly rolling out to all members over the coming weeks so you may find that if you have not got it by now you will have it soon enough. I will attach a help article below that may further explain ThruLines to yourself and how they work.

 AncestryDNA® ThruLines™
 
If you need additional assistance, reply to this email or feel free to contact us by phone

Since I sent my query (a week ago), I decided to disable the search ability of my private tree so I wouldn't even be able to get Thrulines. They obviously hadn't checked.

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: rsel on Sunday 10 March 19 07:29 GMT (UK)
Well I have got a response from support, and they suggested unlinking my tree and then relinking it, then leave for 48 hours....The lady who responded said if they didn't work they would raise it with the developers as she could see I had an extensive tree, and it theory it should have generated the new features, but it is in beta so its not fully working in all cases :-). So far its been 30 hours since I unlinked/relinked my tree and no show yet on the new features working


Richard
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: pharmaT on Sunday 10 March 19 09:04 GMT (UK)
Well I have got a response from support, and they suggested unlinking my tree and then relinking it, then leave for 48 hours....The lady who responded said if they didn't work they would raise it with the developers as she could see I had an extensive tree, and it theory it should have generated the new features, but it is in beta so its not fully working in all cases :-). So far its been 30 hours since I unlinked/relinked my tree and no show yet on the new features working


Richard


I added new people to my linked tree and it asn't adjusted for that yet.  About 3 days now.

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: rsel on Sunday 10 March 19 12:03 GMT (UK)
I added new people to my linked tree and it asn't adjusted for that yet.  About 3 days now.
I have a cousin with a DNA match and a matching tree to mine, and her DNA results came in 3 weeks ago and they have never matched on the tree... Something funny is going on with the Ancestry matching/syncing process :-)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: kooky on Monday 11 March 19 08:29 GMT (UK)
I have not looked at my DNA on Ancestry for some time ::) When I did the other day I noticed ThruLines.
After checking them all out I have some new connections and two 4 x great grandmothers I have not seen before :o
Kooky
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Monday 11 March 19 09:31 GMT (UK)
I have not looked at my DNA on Ancestry for some time ::) When I did the other day I noticed ThruLines.
After checking them all out I have some new connections and two 4 x great grandmothers I have not seen before :o
Kooky

Kooky, Be careful to check them out thoroughly first.

I have recently deleted my public DNA tree and added an updated 'ancestor only' one, with details taken from my fuller private tree.

Needless to say, my DNA circles have gone, it takes a few days to sort them out. More interestingly to me, my Thrulines are now all Potential Ancestors rather than actual ancestors, some valid but a lot of whom I have rejected in my research. There again, I'm expecting it to take a few days to repopulate, but meanwhile I'm left with some wild ideas.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: familydar on Monday 11 March 19 13:53 GMT (UK)
ThruLines is very weird.  I have a bare bones ancestors only tree attached to my DNA results and my ThruLines page seems to include all of my ancestors, conveniently arranged in order working backwards in pairs.  Sort of.

One of my long-dead GGMs has a private individual as her spouse and that private individual is apparently a potential ancestor.  They are private because they are apparently still living (yes that is what Ancestry says, not an assumption on my part).  When I click through it seems that a distant rellie has that person, whom I know to have been born 1855, as still living, and rather than my GGF being the person I think they are, with a name matching my tree, they are presumably someone else who married my GGM and are still alive and kicking at the age of 163.  I hope I don't live that long.  I'm not a DNA match so hopefully I've not inherited his genes!

Similar thing with several more distant ancestors where one spouse is named and the other is private.  A couple are even genderless.  It's a wonder I'm here at all  ;D

Jane :-)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Monday 11 March 19 14:05 GMT (UK)
ThruLines is very weird.  I have a bare bones ancestors only tree attached to my DNA results and my ThruLines page seems to include all of my ancestors, conveniently arranged in order working backwards in pairs.  Sort of.

One of my long-dead GGMs has a private individual as her spouse and that private individual is apparently a potential ancestor.  They are private because they are apparently still living (yes that is what Ancestry says, not an assumption on my part).  When I click through it seems that a distant rellie has that person, whom I know to have been born 1855, as still living, and rather than my GGF being the person I think they are, with a name matching my tree, they are presumably someone else who married my GGM and are still alive and kicking at the age of 163.  I hope I don't live that long.  I'm not a DNA match so hopefully I've not inherited his genes!

Similar thing with several more distant ancestors where one spouse is named and the other is private.  A couple are even genderless.  It's a wonder I'm here at all  ;D

Jane :-)
The private thing in Thrulines just means that the details are taken from a private tree Jane, rather than that their tree says they are still alive ;D. Obviously that's a point of some controversy, since many weren't aware that Ancestry's terms and conditions allowed them to take private tree data and join it up to make common ancestor links.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: familydar on Monday 11 March 19 14:19 GMT (UK)
In the example I give, it's not a private tree but it has a lot of individuals who are flagged as private because the tree owner has them as still living.

But I was making an assumption.  Theoretically the private individual could be still living.  My ggm died in 1911, so if he married her that year and was only 16, he could be only 122  ::)

Jane :-)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Monday 11 March 19 14:22 GMT (UK)
Melba,
You say 'The private thing in Thrulines just means that the details are taken from a private tree Jane, rather than that their tree says they are still alive ;D. Obviously that's a point of some controversy, since many weren't aware that Ancestry's terms and conditions allowed them to take private tree data and join it up to make common ancestor links.'

If your tree is private but searchable here is what Ancestry says. The exact wording may have changed recently, I'm not sure, but it had always been along these lines, as far as I remember (which isn't very long these days I am ready to admit).

"This setting makes your tree "Private" so that it can't be viewed as a Public Member Tree. Note that the information from your tree will still be indexed for searching, but those who find your information can't view your tree without your permission.
What does this mean?
Even if you don't share your tree, other members can still learn if a specific deceased individual is in your tree, in addition to the birth year and birthplace of the person and your username (but no personal information about you).
They can then contact you anonymously through the Connection Service on Ancestry sites to request more information. Keep in mind that members who want to learn from your tree may also have helpful information about your tree to offer you in exchange.
Note: although your tree will instantly become public or private, it usually takes about a month or more to be reflected in the search index"

So, they are searching it and finding as any other member can - "other members can still learn if a specific deceased individual is in your tree, in addition to the birth year and birthplace of the person and your username".

Sneaky, but not hidden away in terms and conditions.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Monday 11 March 19 14:35 GMT (UK)
In the example I give, it's not a private tree but it has a lot of individuals who are flagged as private because the tree owner has them as still living.

But I was making an assumption.  Theoretically the private individual could be still living.  My ggm died in 1911, so if he married her that year and was only 16, he could be only 122  ::)

Jane :-)
Oh I see Jane, yes that's annoying, I admit I sometimes forget to uncheck the living box myself  :P.

Melba,
You say 'The private thing in Thrulines just means that the details are taken from a private tree Jane, rather than that their tree says they are still alive ;D. Obviously that's a point of some controversy, since many weren't aware that Ancestry's terms and conditions allowed them to take private tree data and join it up to make common ancestor links.'

If your tree is private but searchable here is what Ancestry says. The exact wording may have changed recently, I'm not sure, but it had always been along these lines, as far as I remember (which isn't very long these days I am ready to admit).

"This setting makes your tree "Private" so that it can't be viewed as a Public Member Tree. Note that the information from your tree will still be indexed for searching, but those who find your information can't view your tree without your permission.
What does this mean?
Even if you don't share your tree, other members can still learn if a specific deceased individual is in your tree, in addition to the birth year and birthplace of the person and your username (but no personal information about you).
They can then contact you anonymously through the Connection Service on Ancestry sites to request more information. Keep in mind that members who want to learn from your tree may also have helpful information about your tree to offer you in exchange.
Note: although your tree will instantly become public or private, it usually takes about a month or more to be reflected in the search index"

So, they are searching it and finding as any other member can - "other members can still learn if a specific deceased individual is in your tree, in addition to the birth year and birthplace of the person and your username".

Sneaky, but not hidden away in terms and conditions.

Regards Margaret
Margaret, yes I was always aware you can find and see simple info about people in private trees. However what ordinary users cannot do is browse from one person to another - which is what ancestry must be doing to make the links.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 11 March 19 16:56 GMT (UK)
Hi all, I am in the UK does anyone have a local contact number for Ancestry.

Since the ThruLines have come out (which I have) I have not been able to see any Ancestry profile, it just comes up as a grey screen with their account/profile number in the header bar.

Even though I have ThruLines, within Ancestry Lab tag I have only the writing, no buttons to able/disable anything.

I have cleared my cache within the last few days, also unlinked, relinked my tree. Also cannot contact support through Ancestry as it is a grey page with rotating circle that never connects.

Any thoughts..or a local number, is it a freephone or do you have to pay to contact them?

Cas
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Monday 11 March 19 17:00 GMT (UK)
My Ancestry.co.uk banner says that profiles are going 'Beta' and I will soon be able to see/do lots more in terms of messaging.

Maybe you are caught in the current change.

Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: jillruss on Monday 11 March 19 17:30 GMT (UK)
Hi all, I am in the UK does anyone have a local contact number for Ancestry.

Since the ThruLines have come out (which I have) I have not been able to see any Ancestry profile, it just comes up as a grey screen with their account/profile number in the header bar.

Even though I have ThruLines, within Ancestry Lab tag I have only the writing, no buttons to able/disable anything.

I have cleared my cache within the last few days, also unlinked, relinked my tree. Also cannot contact support through Ancestry as it is a grey page with rotating circle that never connects.

Any thoughts..or a local number, is it a freephone or do you have to pay to contact them?

Cas

They don't make it easy to find their 'how to contact us' info but I finally located it. I've been looking because I keep getting a banner telling me to update my payment information - but I already have!

Phone number if you're in the UK is 0-800-783-1340 and their hours are Mon-Fri 9am- 10pm, Sat & Sun 9am-8pm. Not sure if that's a free number but I somehow doubt it.

I can't see an email address but they have an email form to complete on this link:

https://support.ancestry.co.uk/s/email-us

I shall now email them myself!!

Jill
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Monday 11 March 19 17:47 GMT (UK)
Thank you Jill.

The email link just takes me to the grey support page, with the never ending rotating circle that never connects.

Looks like a call it is.

Cas
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Monday 11 March 19 20:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Cas

I had the same this morning. I use Firefox and it's usually fine with Ancestry foibles. I deleted just the Ancestry cookies and it worked again.

Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: CarolA3 on Tuesday 12 March 19 09:04 GMT (UK)
I called Ancestry UK on 0800 032 4681 a few weeks ago (not about DNA).  Their office is located in Dublin and a lovely Irish chap sorted out the problem in no time.  I always prefer speaking to large organisations, rather than emailing which usually brings unhelpful standard replies.

I'm pretty sure 0800 calls are still free.

Carol
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 12 March 19 09:54 GMT (UK)
It's a general rather than individual problem see:

Something strange is happening at Ancestry.
With DNA sometimes I get Thrulines, sometimes I get circles, sometimes I can't access my matches at all - Error message 400. The site generally is now acting the same way on Chrome, sometimes accessible, often not.

It is fully accessible in incognito mode, and on Firefox.

Elsewhere, someone has suggested clearing the cache**, but this means all my saved passwords will go.

Regards Margaret

Modified

https://dna-explained.com/2019/03/08/ancestrys-disappearing-thrulines-now-you-see-them-now-you-dont/

** Margaret  corrected Cache to Ancestry cookies in a subsequent post.



Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: jillruss on Tuesday 12 March 19 12:36 GMT (UK)
I called Ancestry UK on 0800 032 4681 a few weeks ago (not about DNA).  Their office is located in Dublin and a lovely Irish chap sorted out the problem in no time.  I always prefer speaking to large organisations, rather than emailing which usually brings unhelpful standard replies.

I'm pretty sure 0800 calls are still free.

Carol

Credit where credit's due - I emailed Ancestry about my subscription renewal and had one of those 'online chats' within an hour or so with a very nice lady who assured me it was sorted. No complaints there!
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Rhapsody on Tuesday 12 March 19 14:53 GMT (UK)
This is my first posting, so please excuse me if my query is silly.
I took dna test with Ancestry a while ago in the hope of finding out who my Grandfathers father could be, didn't have any luck until the new ThruLines showed my GtGrandfather as the man my GtGrandmother married 10 years after my Granfathers birth. I had previously dismissed him as he was only 15 at the time of my Granfathers birth, Gt Grandmother was 20. I have dna matches to descendants of this mans siblings, so could Ancestry have the right man? Any help much appreciated.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: TinaRoyal on Wednesday 13 March 19 06:50 GMT (UK)


It’s been fascinating reading this thread on Thrulines and all the arguments, both “for and against”.  Do not lose sight of the fact that Thrulines is nothing more than one additional tool in the Genealogist Armoury and cannot be relied upon on its own.  As with everything else, verification by “traditional” methods is needed.  It may however suggest a “lead”.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Friday 15 March 19 20:02 GMT (UK)
I know I have said this previously, and possibly even earlier on this thread (I didn't look back) but it is so very annoying when ancestry suggest a potential ancestor, which when followed through means that they have ignored your verified great grandfather and suggested instead someone from someone else's tree with whom I do not have a dna match, just because the person in her tree has the same name as my actual great grandfather.

So this incorrect person now appears in my Thrulines as a potential ancestor and I cannot get rid of that outline profile aaaghhhhhhhhhhh!

Does that mean that if another person puts someone in with the same name the current one will be overriden or will they suggest yet another great grandfather?

I don't mind the suggestion - I just want to be able to get rid of it like you can with hints.

Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: familydar on Friday 15 March 19 20:21 GMT (UK)
Pheno - last para - hear hear :)

Will add to my ancestry feedback - honest - if I remember....

Jane :-)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: hurworth on Friday 15 March 19 20:41 GMT (UK)
This is my first posting, so please excuse me if my query is silly.
I took dna test with Ancestry a while ago in the hope of finding out who my Grandfathers father could be, didn't have any luck until the new ThruLines showed my GtGrandfather as the man my GtGrandmother married 10 years after my Granfathers birth. I had previously dismissed him as he was only 15 at the time of my Granfathers birth, Gt Grandmother was 20. I have dna matches to descendants of this mans siblings, so could Ancestry have the right man? Any help much appreciated.

Unfortunately Rhapsody it is extremely unlikely that Ancestry have the correct man in the Thruline.  I have a similar situation with an ancestor of mine whose mother was an unmarried teenager at the time of her birth.

About six months ago, from autosomal DNA of a few of her descendants, we've worked out who her father was. However, in numerous trees she is recorded as the daughter of her mother's first husband.  This man keeps showing up as her father in Thrulines because it's in so many sloppy unresearched trees, even though I have the correct lineage in the tree attached to the DNA.

One cousin even went and 'helpfully' (eye roll) edited the tree at FamilySearch because he now thought this Thruline proved that his ancestor and my ancestor were full sisters.

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Friday 15 March 19 21:33 GMT (UK)
Have seen some absolute shockers on my Thruline this evening, with people being baptised multiple times in counties half way across England, being born in Suffolk, baptised in Hertfordshire, lived in Essex, died in Battersea. Then the piece de resistance, a 'brother' of a slightly similar surname, born one year apart from the sister who was born in Hertfordshire....in Mannheim  ???  :o :o.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Friday 15 March 19 21:43 GMT (UK)
I'd just like to get my few ThruLines back. Everyone else seems to what to get rid of them.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Finley 1 on Saturday 16 March 19 11:04 GMT (UK)
I havent looked at Thru lines YET am tempted until I read this...

it seems it is like looking at something similar to hints from other trees... that take you nowhere.

If that is the case Ancestry really need to get their act together and take it off again..

Its enough of a mess out there  as per my 'beyond a joke' post.

I as of today REFUSE to read another tree just in case...again. 

I have turned off alll llll kind of hints but they still try.

WHAT is the REASON why are they allowing such errors to go through..

They will end up with a very bad name when someone actually manages to get it into their head what is happening.. (I mean the Ancestry people... that is if there are any!?  or is it all done by some remote little machine on the moon and we are all being laughed at... !!!!! )

xin
::) ??? 8) :o ::) ??? 8) :o
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Saturday 16 March 19 11:57 GMT (UK)
I havent looked at Thru lines YET am tempted until I read this...

it seems it is like looking at something similar to hints from other trees... that take you nowhere.

If that is the case Ancestry really need to get their act together and take it off again..

Its enough of a mess out there  as per my 'beyond a joke' post.

I as of today REFUSE to read another tree just in case...again. 

I have turned off alll llll kind of hints but they still try.

WHAT is the REASON why are they allowing such errors to go through..

They will end up with a very bad name when someone actually manages to get it into their head what is happening.. (I mean the Ancestry people... that is if there are any!?  or is it all done by some remote little machine on the moon and we are all being laughed at... !!!!! )

xin
::) ??? 8) :o ::) ??? 8) :o
You are right Xin, as per my previous post some of what I am finding in other's trees via Thrulines is so unbelievably jaw droppingly useless, it beggars belief! But I also now believe these ridiculous errors are caused BY ANCESTRY because their algorithms are making ridiculous suggestions, based on simply similar names and proximity - but as I just posted yesterday having one sibling in Hertfordshire and one in Mannheim seems to be pushing the limits of 'proximity' :o!!
  But I also discovered yesterday that a stupid error that resulted in Ancestry making suggestions of 10s of new ancestors in Thrulines back to the 1600s came NOT from another user's error, as I had assumed - their tree was perfectly correct. She had this lady's marriage and death, census entries all recorded in Kent. But Ancestry had decided that a similarly named person, born at a similar time in Essex who was my ancestor, for whom I have fully documented her baptism, parentage, marriage, census, and death, must in fact be this other person in another county with completely different parents and husband  >:( >:(!!!! The only logical reason I can see for the algorithm making this decision is that the baptism of my ancestor was in Essex and not in any of Ancestry's databases (as most of Essex is not), therefore because Ancestry doesn't have the record it decides my entire line must be wrong, even though the husband, death and census info are all completely different!! This is clearly terrible coding on Ancestry's part and they are going to have to do better before anyone should even begin to take the Thruline's suggestions seriously ::).
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Saturday 16 March 19 12:03 GMT (UK)
And give us the opportunity to ignore their suggestion.

Make sure you include this in any feedback.

Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Finley 1 on Saturday 16 March 19 12:26 GMT (UK)
over enthused maybe yet again

xin 
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: jillruss on Saturday 16 March 19 14:58 GMT (UK)
Oh, for goodness sake! ThruLines are just another form of those annoying hints. You can - if you wish - go through them but, if you are a serious researcher (as I think most Rootschatters are) you will quickly abandon the exercise and return to your tried and tested methods.

I can't think that these ThruLines are put together by human beings - there will be some kind of algorithm that Ancestry are using (and presumably paying for) - and, perhaps if they stop trying so hard and stopped trying to entice idiots by making it seemingly easy to find their ancestors, they'd save money that they could invest into giving us some much needed additional databases of parish registers etc.

I looked at mine fleetingly - most tell me I'm related to 'Private' which is laughable. The rest are either self evident from my tree or blatantly ridiculous. Why do they suggest someone named Barrett is linked to my Barrons? I'm expecting any day now to be told I'm related to myself!

Unfortunately, I think Ancestry might stick with them: I did my DNA test just over a year ago and had exactly NO unsolicited messages from putative relations for the whole of that year. Every single match that I exchanged messages with was after I had contacted them (of course, as we know, most don't even bother to reply). In the past couple of weeks I have had 4 messages out of the blue from different people most of who had little to offer but required a lot from me! I got bogged down and finally decided I was being taken for a fool! If these are the calibre of people Ancestry's tricks are enticing in, god help us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very, very pleased with the insights my DNA test matches have provided, and am also pleased to help any genuine fellow researcher genealogist (why do I always shy away from using that term?) but Ancestry are in danger of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Stop trying too hard and give us more old fashioned databases with which to find our own ancestors.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: stonechat on Saturday 16 March 19 15:38 GMT (UK)
Well Ancestry Thrulines, by connecting to people with an ancestor already in my tree and backed up with a dna connection, have verified that research, and seems to prove no unexpected parentage. I am wrestling with on suggested ancestor. He does show up with low cM score ( the link not the ancestor) and I am questioning whether I have the correct birth. I remember there were two non-conformist births only 2 years and also about a mile apart, quite near to where my ancestor gave as his birthplace in censuses. The trouble is the potential contact’s tree is suspect, and has the putative father as from Yorkshire and having children born in Cheshire and Yorkshire in the same timespan, and then dying in Yorkshire. I am not much further forward, but it is right for me to question this parentage
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Monday 18 March 19 14:10 GMT (UK)
Another problem with Thrulines is it seems to be missing a generation and thus reports all connections as one less than they should be i.e. reports great great grandmother as a great grandmother, who knows whether the same error is being repeated on other's trees.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Monday 18 March 19 15:14 GMT (UK)
My 'gone missing' ThruLines matches reappeared yesterday.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Penholder on Monday 18 March 19 15:21 GMT (UK)
I think I would give Ancestry 5 out of 10 for the new Beta system - marks for trying but could do better.

I like that I can see the start of my notes and also the new colour coding but I could do with a lot more colours.

The scrolling is a pain.   I've no idea how I'll ever get even a quarter way through my thousands of matches.   It definitely needs rethinking.   One small idea to save time and frustration would be that once people are assigned to a group they needn't show up in the long list any more.   They can easily be found again if their group needs rethinking.   I'm also binning people with no match and no tree or who haven't signed in for ages.   You can get them back but they're no longer in the long list.

Some of my ThruLines are laughable and it isn't as if the true information isn't out there for people to find.   A few ThruLines have given me good hints to follow up.   I need to do my own research before putting anyone in my tree but they'll go in my notes along with a health warning.

Diana
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: anner on Monday 18 March 19 16:20 GMT (UK)
Can I as a question about Ancestrys DNA results, its a bit of a strange one.
My cousin has taken a DNA test, now for a little bit of history. My Dad was adopted soon after birth by his aunt, so she became my grandmother. My cousin is her biological grand daughter. Her results has shown one of my nieces to be her 3rd cousin. Can this be right? The only biological genes that are shared is between my dads adopted mother and his biological father.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: melba_schmelba on Saturday 06 April 19 11:45 BST (UK)
Can I as a question about Ancestrys DNA results, its a bit of a strange one.
My cousin has taken a DNA test, now for a little bit of history. My Dad was adopted soon after birth by his aunt, so she became my grandmother. My cousin is her biological grand daughter. Her results has shown one of my nieces to be her 3rd cousin. Can this be right? The only biological genes that are shared is between my dads adopted mother and his biological father.
You say your Dad was adopted by his aunt - do you mean his biological aunt, i.e. a sister of either his biological father or mother, not a sister in law? If she was a proper sister, if I understand correctly, you would be second cousin of her granddaughter. Your niece would be a 2nd cousin once removed, which Ancestry may show as a 3rd cousin.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 06 April 19 13:34 BST (UK)

You say your Dad was adopted by his aunt - do you mean his biological aunt, i.e. a sister of either his biological father or mother, not a sister in law? If she was a proper sister, if I understand correctly, you would be second cousin of her granddaughter. Your niece would be a 2nd cousin once removed, which Ancestry may show as a 3rd cousin.



I agree with melba.

Also, I  recommend checking with Painter rather than take the Ancestry, etc. relationships:

https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4


Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: stonechat on Friday 12 April 19 07:03 BST (UK)
Thrulines is basically working, but when I click on one person of interest (a potential ancestor) I just get a blank page
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Craclyn on Friday 12 April 19 08:31 BST (UK)
Stonechat, Since ThruLines is still in beta testing there are some bugs still to be ironed out. If you are getting a blank page you should report that instance to Ancestry using the feedback form on the ThruLines page. They are making regular updates based on the feedback they receive.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 12 April 19 09:01 BST (UK)
I get nothing at all on thru-lines and several common ancestors which used to show up and were correct have disappeared entirely, just get a blank screen and no matches.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Craclyn on Saturday 13 April 19 08:14 BST (UK)
LizzieL, Try clearing your Ancestry cookies. If that does not help then you will probably need to contact them to find out why you are not getting ThruLines.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: ms_canuck on Saturday 13 April 19 16:05 BST (UK)
Hi
Have been reading your comments with interest, and went back to Ancestry lab and turned on the Beta feature for grouping ancestors.  Looks great, but I am completely unable to scroll down the page!  No side bar, mouse doesn't work, Page up/Page down doesn't work.  Have completed Feedback for Ancestry with this information.

I will have to switch back to the old format, which is a shame because I really wanted to try the new one out (which I had previously turned off because the filter had to be reapplied after each view of a match - also reported via Feedback).

Ms_C
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 13 April 19 16:07 BST (UK)
Hello Ms C  :)

Ancestry can be odd in some browsers. It appears to be most stable in Firefox or Chrome. Also, you could try deleting  your Ancestry cookies (not the others).


Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 13 April 19 16:30 BST (UK)
Hi
Have been reading your comments with interest, and went back to Ancestry lab and turned on the Beta feature for grouping ancestors.  Looks great, but I am completely unable to scroll down the page!  No side bar, mouse doesn't work, Page up/Page down doesn't work.  Have completed Feedback for Ancestry with this information.

I will have to switch back to the old format, which is a shame because I really wanted to try the new one out (which I had previously turned off because the filter had to be reapplied after each view of a match - also reported via Feedback).

Ms_C
That happened to me for a while yesterday but corrected itself when I reloaded the page.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: ms_canuck on Saturday 13 April 19 17:39 BST (UK)
Thanks for the suggestions to delete cookies from Ancestry - that seems to have fixed the scrolling problem on my laptop (Chrome).  It was working fine on the iPad though (Safari).

Ms_C
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Rezillo on Friday 19 April 19 19:44 BST (UK)
I have a slightly different scrolling problem. Autoscrolling is working in most views except when selecting the Common Ancestor filter. I'm getting only 20 matches for All, Close or Distant matches.

All gives me 20 and scrolls no further, Close gives me 20 and Distant a different 20, so there should be at least 40 in 'All' (I did have around 60). Take off the Common Ancestor filter and autoscrolling works.

I've tried cache and cookie clearance, plus I've filled in some beta feedback.

John
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 03 May 19 07:43 BST (UK)
LizzieL, Try clearing your Ancestry cookies. If that does not help then you will probably need to contact them to find out why you are not getting ThruLines.

Clearing cookies  didn't chanke anything, but at your suggestion, I did contanct Ancestry. After quite a delay and me sending several screenshots of the problem, I have at last got thru-lines. Just came suddenly with new style profile. I got one spurious link due to person having wrong parents on their tree, but we had our a link on another line, where again they had wrong parents - they hadn't bothered to check mum's maiden name. But I had 20 plus correct ones, spent all yesterday double checking lots of trees. I've now confirmed a couple of marriages I wasn't completely sure about (right name, right time period but location seemed a bit far away from where I expected.)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: pharmaT on Friday 03 May 19 07:58 BST (UK)
I've been wondering how the thru-lines algorithm work. My thru-lines suggest a specific couple are my4x grt grandparents as this is who is on ONE of the public tree.  This is the wrong couple, I have the correct couple on my tree and a few of the other public trees have the same couple I do. So I wonder what makes them give more weight to one tree over another?  I had previously thought they went with what the most trees had.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Pheno on Friday 03 May 19 09:20 BST (UK)
I have similar PharmaT with a particular couple who I know are correct but who differ to those that most other people have on their tree and so ancestry presents the other couple as potential ancestors for me on thrulines.  However I just wonder whether any of those other people get presented with my couple as their potential ancestors.  It would be interesting to specifically compare.

Pheno
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: hurworth on Friday 03 May 19 09:41 BST (UK)
I've been wondering how the thru-lines algorithm work. My thru-lines suggest a specific couple are my4x grt grandparents as this is who is on ONE of the public tree.  This is the wrong couple, I have the correct couple on my tree and a few of the other public trees have the same couple I do. So I wonder what makes them give more weight to one tree over another?  I had previously thought they went with what the most trees had.

pharmaT - I can tell from your posts over the years that YOUR tree should be the one that gets used for your Thrulines and for the trees of your cousins, but there is no rhyme nor reason for how Ancestry selects the tree to use. 

I've been rather irked by fact that some large, copied and poorly researched (and ridiculous) trees are being offered to me as alternative ancestors on Thrulines.  I can tell that you're thorough in your research and particular about detail. 

If you've researched your ancestors well and are as confident as you can be about your research (there's always the chance of a NPE up any line, which mucks up the genetics) then I wouldn't place much weight on the potential ancestors Thrulines provides if you have better information.  But Thrulines has found some distant cousins descended from ancestors I have in my tree which is good.   

Quite a few lines I have in my trees differ from what my relatives think is their lineage.  This is because they've copied info from old trees of others and are not aware of updates.  Some of these updates are due to very recent findings thanks to DNA matching that have taken links back to the 1700s.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: ggrocott on Friday 03 May 19 09:52 BST (UK)
I still have no Thrulines, despite contacting Ancestry twice, all I get is
'Thank you for contacting Ancestry in regards to ThruLines, and issues therewith.

I apologise for the delay in getting back to you.

We are aware of the issue with messages and the message center; I am not able to provide any time frame for a resolution at this time, but we are working hard to correct it as soon as possible.

The availability and functionality of ThruLines and shared ancestor hints may vary during the testing (beta) phase, any issues with ThruLines and shared ancestor hints should be corrected once we iron out any faults etc.

Have a nice day!'

I might have a nice day researching if Ancestry could get its act together but ...................................!

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: pharmaT on Friday 03 May 19 10:30 BST (UK)
I have similar PharmaT with a particular couple who I know are correct but who differ to those that most other people have on their tree and so ancestry presents the other couple as potential ancestors for me on thrulines.  However I just wonder whether any of those other people get presented with my couple as their potential ancestors.  It would be interesting to specifically compare.

Pheno

What confuses me about this particular couple is that in this case most trees either have this couple or no one, only one of the public trees has the wrong couple  If it was the other way round the algorithm would have made sense to me. Maybe all the private trees have the wrong couple.


I've never based my research on other trees, I only look out of curiosity and being curious in general I am also curious how algorithms work.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Friday 03 May 19 10:45 BST (UK)
Pharma~

What does your Common Ancestors listing say about the matches?  I found it more useful than Thrulines (which I've turned off!)

Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: pharmaT on Friday 03 May 19 10:49 BST (UK)
The person who's tree the wrong ancestor is from hasn't had a DNA test so isn't on my DNA match list, which makes it even more weird
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Sunday 05 May 19 22:48 BST (UK)

What does your Common Ancestors listing say about the matches?  I found it more useful than Thrulines (which I've turned off!)

Gadget
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  I would like to turn Thrulines off, but can't find a way to do it. Can someone tell me (in very simple terms please?)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Flemming on Sunday 05 May 19 22:51 BST (UK)
I'd like to turn Thrulines on! I've been drumming my fingers for weeks. It may be rubbish if/when it appears but I'd really like to see what it looks like. Don't get common ancestors, either. Do I have to take the tree back before 1540 to get things going?
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 May 19 22:51 BST (UK)
Via privacy settings.  I turn it on and off  :)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Sunday 05 May 19 23:15 BST (UK)
  If only I could find privacy settings!
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 05 May 19 23:36 BST (UK)
  If only I could find privacy settings!

Go to Your Tree
Left Drop Down - Tree Settings
Top Middle - Privacy Settings
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Monday 06 May 19 10:20 BST (UK)
  Thanks Gadget, I have managed to get that far now. But there is nothing about Thrulines there?
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Finley 1 on Tuesday 07 May 19 14:50 BST (UK)
For some reason it tells me that I have not enough information in my tree for Thru lines...

only sort of 9 gens... and full documentation nearly all...

so something up the creek


xin
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: kelsmell on Tuesday 07 May 19 17:06 BST (UK)
Hi I’m in the same boat been trying to fan out the tree by adding extended family since I has my DNA test results back in 2017 believed it would help break down some wall and should really be helped by ThruLines if it worked!

I’ve rang them a few times there no help at all, it’s quite frustrating as my sub ends this month, I started my tree from scratch and tried that for a few weeks still no luck.

I thought my tree might be too big but someone at ancestry said the bigger the better so went back to my original tree and made sure the birth places were generic removed the street names hoped that would help it didn’t its looks like my accounts not include in ThruLines also can’t look for common ancestor!!!

I won’t be starting a new subscription very disappointing.

What’s help has been looking at my result on MyHeritage & comparing them to ancestry results some matchers are on both sites so I’ve been able to get a few groups sorted in Ancestry with the extra info from MH.

Kellie
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Tuesday 07 May 19 18:04 BST (UK)
Thrulines are a disappointment, I could easily do without them.  What I find more helpful is the 'Common Ancestors' filter.

The same information, almost, but presented better and much quicker and easier to see.

Thrulines - Click on ancestor name, click again to see list of matches, click again to see ...., and so on

Common ancestors - Apply filter, all the ancestors that Ancestry thinks you have in common presented. Click on one to see suggested common ancestor - research, accept or ignore.

Much better as far as I can see, but would be interested if those who don't get any Thrulines don't get any Common Ancestors either.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Flemming on Tuesday 07 May 19 18:36 BST (UK)
When I click on the DNA tab in the top bar, I get three panels in a row. The one on the right starts as DNA Circles for two seconds, switches to 'update your profile' for a few seconds, then switches to ThruLines and tells me 'You are not connected to ThruLines yet.'

On the middle panel, when I click on my DNA matches to bring up the list and filter by 'Common Ancestors', I get 'No matches match the selected filter.' I've tried this on a clustered group where we all have trees with shared ancestors (and consistent details for them) and I still get zip.

It hacks me off that I get triangulated matches and autoclustering on MH, but nothing on Ancestry except a 20cM cut-off that stops me using lower level matches to identify the common ancestor in various groups. If they can't offer a matching service, they at least should remove the 20cM cut-off so we can do it ourselves.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Craclyn on Tuesday 07 May 19 21:32 BST (UK)
Flemming, If you have fulfilled all of the conditions mentioned on the ThruLines help page and are still getting nothing then you should contact them to ask why.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Flemming on Tuesday 07 May 19 21:37 BST (UK)
I have. It was a most unproductive experience.

Very pleasant customer service person took the call but obviously had very little knowledge of the system and seemed to making it up as we went along. I was told not everyone can get ThruLines and they don't know why. Even the operative can't get ThruLines on their own account.

I lost the will.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: ggrocott on Thursday 09 May 19 22:07 BST (UK)
I have contacted them three times now about lack of Thrulines all I get in reply is

'The availability and functionality of ThruLines and shared ancestor hints may vary during the testing (beta) phase, any issues with ThruLines and shared ancestor hints should be corrected once we iron out any faults etc.

Have a nice day!'

As far as I am concerned there is no variation, despite a large and detailed tree.  They have just never appeared.  I have tried disconnecting and reconnecting, switching the beta on and off but nothing changes.


For this and other reasons I have now cancelled my Ancestry subscription and won't be taking out another one until they iron out some of the many faults.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 10 May 19 00:42 BST (UK)
Another hint is to look at shared dna matches by surname or location

If your names on trees dont match they wont come up as common ancestors for instance if you put fred and they have Alfred .
I believe this is true for Mc Mac variations I sometimes change format to alternative spelling on my tree to get new matches .

I know 3rd cousins with common ancestors but it doesnt show as theyve put all alternative spellings on their trees
Recommend putting street names on address side but not showing on summary profile .

Hope you get better results in next few days
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: rsel on Thursday 16 May 19 06:27 BST (UK)
I have. It was a most unproductive experience.

Very pleasant customer service person took the call but obviously had very little knowledge of the system and seemed to making it up as we went along. I was told not everyone can get ThruLines and they don't know why. Even the operative can't get ThruLines on their own account.

I lost the will.

I was not getting thrulines or Common Ancestors for quite a while, and emailed support. They couldn't understand why not as they could see I had a large tree connected to my results so were going to post it to the 'development' team to look at, but told me I wouldn't hear anything further from them.  After abut 4-5 weeks, I was playing with my tree, and unlinked myself from my family, and then relinked 5min later.  Within a couple of days, I suddenly got thrulines, and then a few dates later common ancestors.  I don't know if the developers fixed something or my action caused a 're-index' of my tree, but I know have both features so you might want to try unlinking/relinking.


Richard
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: ggrocott on Thursday 16 May 19 08:59 BST (UK)
Yes, unlinking and relinking has already been done, may try it again some time!
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: rsel on Thursday 16 May 19 12:38 BST (UK)
Yes, unlinking and relinking has already been done, may try it again some time!
.

Just to be clear I am not talking about my DNA results from me, but I actually unlinked myself from my parents in the tree.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Flemming on Saturday 18 May 19 11:16 BST (UK)
Two more bugs on Ancestry Beta. Does anyone else get these problems?

With matches set to 'distant', and the filter set to 'matches you haven't viewed', click on the name at the top of the list and ... the name doesn't open. Instead, you're returned to the list of all matches (distant and otherwise) and without a filter (i.e. regardless of whether you've viewed them or not). Set it all up again ('distant', 'not viewed yet') and the name at the top of the list has disappeared because you've clicked on it once before, even if it hasn't actually opened for you.

This is a grade 1 pain when you're looking through <20cM matches because you have to scroll through all 'distant matches' (without the 'not viewed' filter) to try and find the name again (finishing War and Peace whilst you do this). This also requires you to remember the name.

You might think an easier option is to (a) make a note of the name before daring to click on it, then (b) look them up in the Member Directory if you get thrown out of the filter. This is fine as long as the name isn't John Smith. Fortunately, it's been happening on some obscure names, but here we have bug no. 2. For several days, if I click on a member in the directory, it says:

Quote
We're sorry, information on this page is temporarily unavailable. You can try reloading the page in your browser, or come back later.

How much later is 'later'?

As ever, I'd stumbled across a name that has info I need but will have to scroll from 20cM down to 14cM to find it again. Unless I 'come back later.' Losing the will  ::)


Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 18 May 19 12:10 BST (UK)
Quote
With matches set to 'distant', and the filter set to 'matches you haven't viewed', click on the name at the top of the list and ... the name doesn't open.

It open for me.

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Flemming on Saturday 18 May 19 12:36 BST (UK)
They open for me as well for a while - it happens every so often - eleven names lost so far this morning.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Tuesday 21 May 19 11:04 BST (UK)
I mentioned ThruLines in an email.  The spellchecker wanted to change it to 'unruliness'.  Does it know something?

Martin
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Flemming on Tuesday 21 May 19 11:18 BST (UK)
It knows something we all know  ;) Hopeless. Still getting the statement in post 172 (above) on member profiles. Done all the usual clearing of cookies, etc., etc., etc. It resolved for 10 seconds yesterday and then came back (both before the cookie clearing). How can I tell if we share DNA or not?  ::)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Tuesday 21 May 19 11:51 BST (UK)
My cousin in Australia just tried it and managed to get the second piece of confirming evidence that we've had in a week, for something we have long suspected.  I can't try it as I was tested by MyHeritage.

Martin
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Tuesday 21 May 19 14:04 BST (UK)
Martin, I woulde seriously suggest that the next time there is an offer on, get an Ancestry DNA test done.

There are drawbacks, like no chromosome browser, but the database is so much bigger than myheritageDNA,  and a lot of matches have trees.

Regards Margaret
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Tuesday 21 May 19 14:11 BST (UK)
Margaret, sadly I can't justify the cost, but fortunately my half first cousin has been tested by Ancestry.  Mine was with MyHeritage, also now on GEDmatch.

Martin
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Craclyn on Tuesday 21 May 19 23:49 BST (UK)
You say you cannot justify the cost. You may find that an AncestryDNA test gives a much better return on investment than your MyHeritage test. I have significantly more identifiable matches on Ancestry than I have on all of the other sites put together.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Wednesday 22 May 19 06:57 BST (UK)
Martin, Considering that you spend a considerable amount of time on this forum, spend a lot of time reading about the subject and watching YouTube videos about DNA, it is obviously an important part of your life.

You can certainly justify the cost for what is one of your main hobbies, whether or not you have the immediate cash to pay for it!

You may be in dire financial straits, in which case even the following may not apply (or is already being put into action!!). The offer price, when it's on, of £59 is just over £1 a week, spread over a year. Go to Lidl and Aldi, give up the takeaways or meals out for a month or so. Give up beer for a year. Put £1 in a money jar each week. etc etc.

And no, I don't get any payments from Ancestry for recommending them. As Craclyn says, more confirmed matches there than everywhere else put together.

Regards Margaret

Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Wednesday 22 May 19 13:49 BST (UK)
I do understand the message you're both sending me, and I probably have enough money in the loose change jar inside the front door. There's so much there that it's too heavy to take to the bank anymore, but I still keep saving it. I still can't justify it to myself. As for giving up beer, if I don't go to the pub who am I going to bore with my family history stories?

Wow, I finally got around to watching Blaine Bettinger's YouTube guide to the DNA painter chart. Until today I didn't realise that you can actually edit it, and  replace something like great grandparent with the name of the great grandparent himself. I think that's amazing and I would never have known it without watching the tutorial.

Martin
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Craclyn on Wednesday 22 May 19 16:45 BST (UK)
Martin, Might the chance to find some more of your Tudhoe connections be justification enough?
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Thursday 23 May 19 11:32 BST (UK)
I'm just being moderate. There are many things that I want, that I could probably afford, such as a saxophone, an early but not necessary first edition of Dr Johnson's dictionary and a holiday in Hawaii.

Martin
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Flemming on Thursday 23 May 19 11:45 BST (UK)
Changing tack a little...

Does anyone who uses Safari have the same issue mentioned in post 172? I've been told this has arisen because Ancestry made an update last week and Safari can't cope with it. Also been advised I have to change to Chrome, Firefox or reinstall Safari. Is this really necessary? Why doesn't Ancestry develop its software to be compatible with multiple browsers? Safari is hardly a bit-player. Why don't Ancestry and Apple talk, if it's such an issue? Why does the customer have to be inconvenienced in order to get a service?

Sorry, but it drives me mad. Don't have this issue with other sites, and just wonder if it's just me who has an issue with this one.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 May 19 11:54 BST (UK)
I tend not to use my Mac for FH and hardly ever use Safari but will turn it on and try it out.

Back later  :)
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 23 May 19 12:10 BST (UK)
Just tried it using your problem parameters on my up to date version of Safari and Mohave OS and it seems to work fine.

Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Flemming on Thursday 23 May 19 12:32 BST (UK)
Thought that might be the case. Thanks for checking. I think they read it off a script.
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: hurworth on Saturday 25 May 19 09:36 BST (UK)
I've not switched to Beta yet (I'm waiting until it all calms down - I like having pages and being able to select matches by date which makes it easy to pick out the most recent, but I am missing being able to see which of the kits I have access to the matches match) but Thrulines has come up with a couple of promising matches in the past week. 

I'm waiting to hear back from the matches, and to be to sure I'd like to compare at a site with a chromosome browser.  If this Thruline stacks up then the mutual ancestors are the parents of my gtgtgtgt-grandmother who was born in Fife in the 1780s which is very exciting. 
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 25 May 19 09:48 BST (UK)
Just to mention that you can still get the matches in a form of date order by selecting 'New Matches' using the drop down in 'All Matches'

The lack of page breaks was annoying at first but the newer options out way this - e.g being able to group matches with colour coding.

Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: hurworth on Saturday 25 May 19 09:55 BST (UK)
Do you PROMISE it is worth it Gadget??  No pressure....
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: sugarfizzle on Saturday 25 May 19 10:01 BST (UK)
hurworth, Why not give it a try? You can change back easily enough.

Things have settled down a lot since this thread started.

Thrulines I can do without, but New and Improved Matches is very good.

Regards Margaret

Modified
Don't forget, Beta version is to iron out problems. You won't be able to voice your opinion to ancestry soon, I would think the beta version will be brought on for everybody shortly.
M
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 25 May 19 12:44 BST (UK)
Do you PROMISE it is worth it Gadget??  No pressure....

Promise/cross my heart and all that. As Margaret says, you can change back and to between both versions.


Gadget
Title: Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
Post by: Craclyn on Saturday 25 May 19 23:28 BST (UK)
Definitely worth it.