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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: steeles39 on Tuesday 23 March 21 11:54 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, not sure where to post this but as it is from Canada thought this is was the best place to start.
I randomly received this today all the way from Canada house of commons. I never asked for absolutely bizzare and the name mentioned I do not recognise at all in my family tree.
How did they even find my address is this for real?
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Not sure ,but it does not ask for money or a subscription so unless it is genuine or a genuine error,I can’t see the point as you feel sure you have no connection the the soldier commemorated .
Hope you solve the mystery.
Viktoria.
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Not sure ,but it does not ask for money or a subscription so unless it is genuine or a genuine error,I can’t see the point as you feel sure you have no connection the the soldier commemorated .
Hope you solve the mystery.
The only canada link I have found so far
is a relatives half uncle was sent to canada 12 years old as an orphan during the way with all the other kids because his mother was put in an asylum but thats now the same name. Thats all I could find of that.
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Envelope
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This one mentions Forrestry - does it throw any light on things for you. ?
Canada, War Graves Registers (Circumstances of Casualty), 1914-1948
Arthur Cecil Coulson - Death Date 29 Aug 1919
Rank Private - Unit Forrestry Battalion C F C - Service Number 2498174
Cemetery St Judes Church Cemetery (Anglican)
Burial Place Oakville, Ontario, Canada.
Sandra
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This is the FIND A GRAVE entry for the Pvt Arthur Cecil Coulson.
Regiment/Service: Canadian Forestry Corps
Son of Frederick William and Mary Ellen Coulson of Folkestone, England. Husband of Florence Mabel Coulson of Oakville, Ontario (married 22 Jun, 1909, Lloydtown, York, Ontario).
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/107661644/arthur-cecil-coulson.
Sandra
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Canadian Attestation Papers for Pvt Arthur Cecil Coulson
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=120020
digital file sometimes slow to load - 147 pages.
Sandra
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1891 UK census Downham, Norfolk.
RG12 Piece 1572 Folio 11 Page 13
Frerk W Coulson 38 Grocer.
Mary E Coulson 36
Arthur C Coulson 14 William Coulson 13
Clarissa C Coulson 12 John A B Coulson 8
Dora A D Coulson 4 Violet M Coulson 4 months
Albert Cintson 28
Ellen Cintson 24
Thomas Dolby 20
Hannah Scott 16
Kate Fry 14
Sandra
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Ontario Marriage - Arthur Cecil Coulson - 1877
Marriage Date: 22 Jun 1909 - aged 32 years. B (Bachelor) York, Ontario. Baptist. Musical Tuner.
Father Fredrick Wm Coulson - Mother Mary Ellen Smith Coulson
Spouse Florence Mabel Rolling.
Sandra
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London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 for Thirza Ayr Steele
There is a Steele connection with this lady ? -Thirza Ayr Steele married to Arthur Cecil Steele
Thirza Steele - Birth Date abt 1873 - aged 26 years.
Marriage Date: 1 Apr 1899 St Mary, Newington, Southwark.
Father Robert Steele - wheelwright.
Spouse Arthur Cecil Coulson - aged 23 years - father Frederick William Coulson - grocer.
Sandra
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Very interesting because my dads side has roots from Norfolk for years in those times but surname is steeles
Coulson I've not got that in my family tree at all.
Also my dads side is the one with the Canada connection he's mentioned an Auntie Margaret that they were told to call her she used to send them gifts again no idea where she fits in the tree.
Thank you for sending those links the description of him is familiar short (like my dads side) blues eyes!
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London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 for Thirza Ayr Steele
There is a Steele connection with this lady ? -Thirza Ayr Steele married to Arthur Cecil Steele
Thirza Steele - Birth Date abt 1873 - aged 26 years.
Marriage Date: 1 Apr 1899 St Mary, Newington, Southwark.
Father Robert Steele - wheelwright.
Spouse Arthur Cecil Coulson - aged 23 years - father Frederick William Coulson - grocer.
Sandra
What about this Steele link ?
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London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 for Thirza Ayr Steele
There is a Steele connection with this lady ? -Thirza Ayr Steele married to Arthur Cecil Steele
Thirza Steele - Birth Date abt 1873 - aged 26 years.
Marriage Date: 1 Apr 1899 St Mary, Newington, Southwark.
Father Robert Steele - wheelwright.
Spouse Arthur Cecil Coulson - aged 23 years - father Frederick William Coulson - grocer.
Sandra
Oh wow!!! Now those names are familiar!! Will go back to my tree seem like I have a start base now... Thanks.
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1901 census Edmonton Middlesex.
RG13 Piece 1254 Folio 54 Page 30
Arthur C Coulson 24 Tleford, (could that be Telford) Lincolnshire. Manager of tobacconist.
Thirza A Coulson 27 Hioudham, (could that be Roundham)Norfolk.
Lucina Steele 18 sister-in-law. Hioudham Norfolk.
Sandra
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There appears to have been a child born to this marriage....
Ellen Kathleen Lucina Coulson mmn Steele
Dec qtr 1901 Downham
Check the 1911 census for Thirza and Ellen.
Looks like Ellen might have married a J F Welsh in 1929 but this would require the cert to verify.
PB
Edited to add: just realized I'm probably not allowed to post here what I just did about the 1911 census so have removed it and reworded.
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It might be worth considering sending an email to the general info section at https://www.ourcommons.ca/en/contact-us, for fowarding to the Sergeant-at-Arms office, asking how your contact details were obtained.
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Also my dads side is the one with the Canada connection he's mentioned an Auntie Margaret that they were told to call her she used to send them gifts again no idea where she fits in the tree.
Children were told to call all sorts of people Aunt & Uncle, including parents' friends and neighbours, so this Auntie Margaret may not be in your tree.
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An A C Coulson aged 28, appears on a passenger list heading to Canada in 1905. Possibly the Arthur C who was married to Thirza A, given he had been with her in 1901 but he was not with her in 1911, yet she was not widowed. Could he have left Thirza, and despite not being divorced from her, married Florence Mable Rolling once in Canada?
Red herring to avoid:
There was an Arthur Coulson who married a Thirza and was was still with her in 1939, with a bith year of 1866. That Thirza, however, had a middle initial J and Arthur was a Railway Clerk, so likely this couple in the 1901:
Arthur Coulson Head Male 35 Scopwick, Lincolnshire
Thirza J___? (transcribed Jael) Coulson Wife Female 32 Runwell, Essex
Mabel F Coulson Daughter Female 11 Hornsey Rise, London
Arthur O Coulson Son Male 9 Crouch Hill, Middlesex
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An odd entry on familysearch ( ie see dates):
Name:
Harold Bertrand Coulson
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Event Type:
Birth
Event Date:
03 Mar 1910
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Event Place:
Oakville, York, Ontario, Canada
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Registration Date:
1919
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
Arthur Cecil Coulson
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Mother's Name:
Florence Mable Rolling
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9H-TYFV
This was a declaration, signed by Florence, in October 1919, so after Arthur had died. However, in January 1919, Arthur had signed a similar (not all location details the same, and Florence's surname entered as Rodding rather than Rolling), declaration. Both were on a form for "registering a birth which has not been registered".
Harold looks to have died in 1992, indexed as Harold Bertram Coulson:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:84ZD-3J6Z
with a grandson named as nearest relation.
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1921 Canadian Census also has a daughter Gladys, aged 3, with Florence and son Harold.
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Thank you everyone ;D
I found a newsletter clipping something saying he was a bigamist if I have the correct Arthur he was actually caught out and sent to prison.!
It wont let me attach moaning file is too big.
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So, that ties the earlier finds together well....but doesn't explain how the Sergeant-at-Arms came to have your address. As I said in my earlier reply #15, an email asking might prove useful.
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The Victoria Daily Times Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
25 Feb 1910, Fri Page 8
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74178886/bigamist-coolly-admits-marriages-25/
Sandra
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The Victoria Daily Times Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
25 Feb 1910, Fri Page 8
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74178886/bigamist-coolly-admits-marriages-25/
Sandra
Great find thanks!
Such a shame for those women. I checked thriza steeles and shes living with her dad in Norfolk with the daughter age 9 it gives comfort knowing she had her family to go to when he deserted her.
Yes definitely will be contacting the house of commons to find out how theur found my details.
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Sadly, Ellen died relatively young :'(
Ellen K L Welsh Death - Birth Date 1902 - died aged 31 years
Died Apr 1933 Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Kensington London Volume1 a Page 11
Sandra
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Thats a shame thats young I will purchase the death certificate.
Any idea if was married with kids?
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No death notice or obit in the newspaper archive.
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There was a male birth registered in June 1933 Kensington - 1a 124 Perhaps first name could be same as father :)
John Frederick Welsh 1898–1955
born 1898 Hackney, London, England died 26 November 1955 - Hammersmith, London.
John Frederick Welsh was held as a prisoner of war during World War II.
Sandra
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British Army Prisoners of War Held in German Camps, 1939 - 1945
J. F. Welsh Internment Between 1939 and 1945 - Hohen Fels.Rank - Sjt. Regiment - Royal Artillery.Army number - 2035093POW number - 6215Camp type - Stalag Camp number - 383Record office name - Royal Artillery (Coast and Searchlight), Corps of Military Police and Military Provost Staff Corps Record Office, Savoy Hotel, Bournemouth. Record office number - 8
Sandra
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Using FreeBMD...
You can find Ellen's probable marriage to J F Welsh in 1929.
Also 2 possible female births in 1930 and 1931.
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Thirza A Coulson
Birth Date1873 died 1962 Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar Yarmouth Norfolk
Volume 4b Page599 - aged 89 years -
Sandra
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It's very strange, though. If it wasn't requested from anyone in your household, and you're not even aware of a family connection to this man, where and how did the Canadian government get your name and address?
As a Canadian, I'm wondering how our tax dollars are being spent, assuming this is a legitimate project. Has our government hired a team of genealogists to track down even the most remote family members of people who paid the ultimate sacrifice while serving in the Canadian military?
Regards,
Josephine
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Hi
I realise that this is an old thread, but Arthur Cecil Coulson was my 2nd Great-grandfather. I am related to him through his first wife, Thirza Ayr Coulson née Steele. Their daughter, Ellen was my nan's mother. She died in 1933 when my Great -Uncle John was born. There was another child, my Great-Aunt Peggy. Out of them Uncle John is the only one left.
From what I understand - and this might just be something that was told to my nan and there might be some inaccuracies - During the war something happened and he ended up in Canada. Now I've been told he'd lost his memory, but not sure if that was said to save face as it were, because whilst he was still married to Thirza, he married a Canadian woman, followed by marrying another.
He never returned to the UK, and understandably Thirza never talked about him with my nan or her siblings.