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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: Zakerias on Monday 19 July 21 15:32 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone
I'd really like to know more about the Irish side of my family. Unfortunately, I don't have access to Irish records(?) I have a direct branch that leads me back to County Mayo, Ireland. The names and information I have are:
- Dominic Reid - Father of Michael and likely never emigrated from Ireland. His name appears on a marriage certificate of Michael Reid and Sophia Perkins dated 8th September 1883. I have no further information on Dominic.
- Michael (c. 1827 - 1890) and Mary Reid (c. 1827 - 1882) - Emigrated from Ireland sometime between 1860-1872(?) and settled in Atherstone, Warwickshire. Birthplace's listed as Swinford, Mayo in 1881 census. Buried in Atherstone.
- John Reid (c. 1852 - 1904) - Son of Michael and Mary. Birthplace listed as Swinford in 1881 census, Salmonby(?) in 1891 census and Mays(possibly Mayo?) in 1901 census. Must have emigrated with his parents. He married Elizabeth Starkey from Warwickshire in 1871.
Any tips on where to get started or information on the individuals listed would be much appreciated.
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0133
Swineford parish registers on this link - free- worth searching if they were RC denomination.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Civil registrations for births and deaths commenced 1864, Civil marriages from 1845 and all marriages from 1864. free to search.
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- Dominic Reid - Father of Michael and likely never emigrated from Ireland. His name appears on a marriage certificate of Michael Reid and Sophia Perkins dated 8th September 1883. I have no further information on Dominic.
- John Reid (c. 1852 - 1904) - Son of Michael and Mary. Birthplace listed as Swinford in 1881 census, Salmonby(?) in 1891 census and Mays(possibly Mayo?) in 1901 census. Must have emigrated with his parents. He married Elizabeth Starkey from Warwickshire in 1871.
Any tips on where to get started or information on the individuals listed would be much appreciated.
Was it noted on the marriage certificate that Michael was dead?
Was John also in Atherstone on 1891 & 1901 censuses?
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Civil registrations for births and deaths commenced 1864, Civil marriages from 1845 and all marriages from 1864. free to search.
You need to sign in, solve a catchpa to show you're not a robot and tick the declaration.
Swinford is a civil registration district office.
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- Dominic Reid - Father of Michael and likely never emigrated from Ireland. His name appears on a marriage certificate of Michael Reid and Sophia Perkins dated 8th September 1883. I have no further information on Dominic.
- John Reid (c. 1852 - 1904) - Son of Michael and Mary. Birthplace listed as Swinford in 1881 census, Salmonby(?) in 1891 census and Mays(possibly Mayo?) in 1901 census. Must have emigrated with his parents. He married Elizabeth Starkey from Warwickshire in 1871.
Any tips on where to get started or information on the individuals listed would be much appreciated.
Was it noted on the marriage certificate that Michael was dead?
Was John also in Atherstone on 1891 & 1901 censuses?
An introduction & guide to Irish family research is Irish Genealogy Toolkit
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Hi Maiden Stone
Michael Reid was alive when his son got married in 1871. Michael died in 1890 for certain, John and Michael are buried in the same cemetery in Atherstone. Yes John was in Atherstone in the 1891 and 1901 censuses.
I haven't found anything on the Ireland side for the Reid family yet but I will keep looking.
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This may be a help, although it is not of Swinford. :-\
You have John Reid in 1891 2443/41
His place of birth has been transcribed as ‘Salmonby’ but if you look at the page, it looks to be ‘Salmonford’.
There is a baptism for Bridget (Brigida) Reed, 24th February 1860 with parents Michael Reed and Mary Ruan. The residence is Salmonford.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632291#page/6/mode/1up
1881 3058/16/25 for Michael and Mary Read shows daughter Bridget, 20 yrs.
1881 3058/15/24 for John and Elizabeth Read shows Thomas Patrick and Emma Read living beside them. They have a boarder, William Ruan.
Marriage January 1848
Michael Reed and Mary Ruan. Witnesses Dominic Reed and Patrick Ruan.
It is poor writing and in Latin
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632289#page/47/mode/1up
I can find very little reference to ‘Salmonford’. There is a mention here https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qso/ where the applicant Mrs Sicily (Cecilia) Murphy is living in Cloonturk, Kilkelly in 1901. It may be that Salmonford is an alternative name or near to Cloonturk.
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The same parish - Castlemore and Kilcolman
July 30th 1853 - parents Michael and Mary Reed - child possibly Dominic
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632290#page/14/mode/1up
29th July 1852 - Thomas parents Michael and Mary
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Zakerias,
What do you think? Is this information any help to you? It would be good to know before any other searches or information is posted.
Heywood
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Zakerias,
What do you think? Is this information any help to you? It would be good to know before any other searches or information is posted.
Heywood
Hi sorry Heywood, it's a lot of information to digest in a short space of time. I think the information you have is most likely correct. There are numerous good arguments you've put forward that make total sense.
- I also looked at Salmonford briefly but didn't find anything, but I think you're right it must be near Kilkelly. I'll do some digging to see if I can track this place down.
- To have the records from Castlemore and Kilcolman list a baptism for Bridget (who we know if one of Michael and Mary's daughters from the 1881 census). She's the right age and again Salmonford is listed. As you've found, more records from this parish could now be trustworthy sources of information.
- William Ruan from Ireland as a boarder again is a huge positive. I totally missed this so great spot, although I may not have made the connection between Ruan and Mary if you had not posted your findings.
- When Mary died, Michael remarried in 1883 to Sophia Perkins. Their marriage certificate lists Dominic Reid as the father, matching the marriage certificate in January 1848.
So huge positives overall, I honestly have no idea how you found those records. I would have totally missed them as I struggle to read them after you've found the page! I have a lot to learn re. genealogy but I have only just turned 30. :)
If I'm honest, I didn't think I'd ever find anymore information on this side of my family so any scraps of evidence are welcomed. So far, they're the only branch that take me outside of England. I need to be more optimistic about my family tree!
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It does all seem to work out with the names and parish records.
I am just a bit bothered about the places and just wish Salmonford would turn up somewhere :)
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There is a baptism for Bridget (Brigida) Reed, 24th February 1860 with parents Michael Reed and Mary Ruan. The residence is Salmonford.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632291#page/6/mode/1up
Marriage January 1848
Michael Reed and Mary Ruan. Witnesses Dominic Reed and Patrick Ruan.
It is poor writing and in Latin
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632289#page/47/mode/1up
Also baptised Feb. 1860 was Catherine RUAN (entry 21), abode Salmonford. Parents' names not clear. Father could be Guillemus, Latin for William. Mother was Mary (COLMAN?)
Searching for other baptisms with Salmonford abode found very few.
Another 1860 Anna O'Donnell, born & baptised September.
1861 Patrick Regan
1864 Michael Rioctt ?. Could it be a variant of Roche?
1865 Michael O'Donnell and Ann Rocth?, both April.
1867 Luke Willan?
I saw none for 1866, 1868,1869,1870.
There was also a Hawksford in the baptism register.
Salmonford may have been a small townland or part of a townland or an old name or one used by locals. I wondered if it may have been a translation or mis-translation of an Irish name. Salmon is bradan. Salmonford might be ath bradan, salmon's leap, leim na bradan (or something like it, my Irish is basic & rusty). Can't find any places which resemble those words.
I assumed, from abodes on his children's birth registrations, (Swinford district), that my great-uncle moved around. Not so; he remained in the same townland from his marriage to death, his part of it was known by various names.
Marriage register, a few entries above Michael Reed & Mary Ruan was marriage of Michael Ryan & Anna Ruan.
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There is a baptism for Bridget (Brigida) Reed, 24th February 1860 with parents Michael Reed and Mary Ruan. The residence is Salmonford.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632291#page/6/mode/1up
Searching for other baptisms with Salmonford abode found very few.
Another 1860 Anna O'Donnell, born & baptised September.
1864 Michael Rioctt ?. Could it be a variant of Roche?
1865 Michael O'Donnell and Ann Rocth?, both April.
1867 Luke Willan?
Trying to match baptisms of those Salmonford babies born 1864 and after with their birth registrations found 2. Both Castlerea Superintendent Registrar's District, Ballaghadereen District.
Abode for both was Boholis, Ballaghadereen.
Michael O'Donnell, born April 1865, parents Hugh & Catherine (Lynch). Father's occupation landholder.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/birts_1865/03569/2314843.pdf
The 1867 baptism I read as Luke Willan was Luke Dillon, born 3rd Jan. 1867, parents Pat & Mary (Callaghan)
I couldn't find a birth registration in Castlerea for Michael Rioctt? 1864 or Ann Racth? 1865.
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Thanks Maiden Stone.
I too searched and thought like you about Salmonford.
William Ruane states Hawksford as his birthplace in 1881 and Thomas Patrick Read shows ‘Boh..’ which is transcribed as Bohola.
It may well be but there is a Dominic Reed in Griffiths Valuation in Bohalas, Castlemore Parish.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qsy/
Previous entry is Ruan.
When I was searching the other day, I was hesitant as some of these places are now more towards Ballaghderreen. There were changes to county boundaries, I think late 1890s but not sure and that is now Roscommon.
I decided to leave the searches but it would be good if you could find or match anything. :)
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I was writing and posting this as you posted so we are on the same track.
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Hi both, can't thank you enough for your help so far.
I did find this on a discover Mayo message board:
https://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/roots/view-message.html?mid=9880 (https://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/roots/view-message.html?mid=9880)
This backs up heywood's suggestion that Salmonford may be an alternative name for Cloonturk.
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That’s great :)
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I did find this on a discover Mayo message board:
https://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/roots/view-message.html?mid=9880 (https://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/roots/view-message.html?mid=9880)
This backs up heywood's suggestion that Salmonford may be an alternative name for Cloonturk.
It says it was a name used by locals. Salmonford in Boholas may also have been a name used only by locals which may explain why it was Salmonford in the baptism register and Boholas in the births register.
Another Reed baby:
John Reed baptised 3rd March 1865, parents Pat & Mary (Colman), abode Boholis?
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632291#page/38/mode/1up
(There were 2 more Salmonford babies + a Hawkford one on same page. Hawkford seems an odd name to me as birds don't need a ford to cross water.)
I couldn't find a birth registration of a John Reed which matched that baptism but there was a Dominick born March 1865, parents Pat & Mary (Coleman), abode Boholis?, father's occupation farmer. Castlerea Superintendent Registrar's District, Ballaghadereen District.
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Bohalas townland, County Roscommon
https://townlands.ie/roscommon/frenchpark/castlemore/ballaghaderreen/bohalas/
Civil parish Castlemore. Area of Bohalas townland is just under 500 acres. Hawksford is an adjacent townland of a similar size. Map has about a dozen buildings. There are 2 paths which converge and lead to a river or stream. Could this be Salmonford? River Owenlobnaghlaur is nearby.
Added. Looking at another map. A road from L1244 goes through Bohalas townland and also fords the stream near what seems to be the largest building. The stream is a tributary of Owenlobnaghaur river.
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Great research :)
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1901 census Reid family in Bohalas.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Ballaghaderreen/Bohalas/1661329/
As I said, I was bothered with the places especially these places which are close and mentioned in records but what about Swinford?
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William Ruane states Hawksford as his birthplace in 1881 and Thomas Patrick Read shows ‘Boh..’ which is transcribed as Bohola.
It may well be but there is a Dominic Reed in Griffiths Valuation in Bohalas, Castlemore Parish.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qsy/
Previous entry is Ruan.
When I was searching the other day, I was hesitant as some of these places are now more towards Ballaghderreen. There were changes to county boundaries, I think late 1890s but not sure and that is now Roscommon.
The 2 Ruan men occupied plot 8 and Dominick Reed plot 9. Viewing the Griffith map, the ford appears to be on plot 7, close to boundary with plot 8. That's if I've interpreted the map correctly.
Was Hawkford townland on Griffith's Valuation? I flicked through the pages for Castlemore civil parish but didn't see it. It should be next to Bohalas on the Griffith map but I didn't notice it. It takes me a while to locate places on those maps.
Ballaghadereen was transferred from Mayo to Roscommon in 1898.
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1901 census Reid family in Bohalas.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Ballaghaderreen/Bohalas/1661329/
Winifred Ruane was at House 17, mother-in-law to Bones head.
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Yes, I thought it was late 1890s. I think I mentioned it. My friend’s husband always insisted that he was a Mayo man not Roscommon!
Griffiths Valuation
Bohalas is in the parish of Castlemore pg 178
Hawksford is in Kilcolman (part of) pg 198