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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: xpress4 on Sunday 06 February 22 06:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
I'm taking another turn at a long standing brickwall. Denis Moore of Queens County married Bridget Law likely a just prior to 1839 when they had their first child, Mary Ann Moore, 25 APR 1839 • Instiogue Parish, Kilkenny.
Denis was Catholic. However, I believe, although I cannot prove it, Bridget Law would have been protestant. Denis worked for the Ordnance Survey starting in Queens County and then moving on to work in Kilkenny for a short time.
Bridget would have been from Queens County or Kilkenny I believe. They didn't stay in Kilkenny long, they moved onto Scotland after that with the survey so I have little to go on after the birth of this child.
Just wondering what you all would do if you were working on this? Where would you turn? If I follow Irish naming patterns, Bridget's father would have been named Patrick Law and mother Mary Ann (although I know I cannot bet the farm on that).
I cannot find a marriage record in either county for Bridget and Denis. If she was indeed protestant, I believe they would have married in her parish perhaps...wherever it was? Not sure if this is a true brickwall and I should accept I cannot go further with the Law familiy or if I've left a stone unturned somewhere.
Thanks for any input! :)
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Well I would do heaps more searching after listing all the children of Denis and Mary Anne.
I would try to find out which side/s of whose family the names have come from. This might mean a dive into finding the brothers and sisters of both D & B.
Using your hunch based on the names used in D & B own children I have found 2 records for a Patrick Law owning land on Griffiths Valuation. The date of this record is 1849 the parish is St Canice. ETA Walkinslough
https://www.askaboutireland.ie/
Just found the baptism for Mary Anne. It gives the sponsors names as James Garland and Mary Walsh from the parish of Clonany/Clonanny? have you followed these up to see how they tie in? Sponsors are very important in RC baptisms.
More to come......
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Ah You need Sxotlands people both for the census records and baptisms?births of kids, If you are lucky enough th have a bdm in 1855 then you will get heaps of info,
Indexes are free and I have found ordered records fairlt cheap.
Censuses in 1841, 1851, 1851 etc
With parish records remeber to check all record types for the area including the non-conformist ones.
In Scotland eldest son after paternal grandfather and eldest daufgter after materna; grandmother revese for 2nd etc
Good hunting
pH
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Ah You need Sxotlands people both for the census records and baptisms?births of kids, If you are lucky enough th have a bdm in 1855 then you will get heaps of info,
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
In 1855, the first year of statutory civil registration, the following additional information was recorded:
1. Other children and whether they were living or deceased
2. Ages of both parents
3. Birthplaces of both parents
4. Parents’ usual residence
5. Baptismal name (if different).
As a result entries cover two pages and are especially valuable to researchers.
https://tinyurl.com/yvpu3trr
KG
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Could this be your Denis & Bridget in England in 1871
Piece: 110
Folio: 67
Page number: 32
Household Members Age Relationship
Denis Moore 56 Head
Bridget Moore
49 Wife
Rose Moore
25 Daughter
Catherine Moore
22 Daughter
Richard Moore
14 Son
Jane Moore
12 Daughter
Lousie Saumfarie
1 Granddaughter
I had a few credits for Scotlandspeople so looked up his Richard's birth. His full name was Richard George Moore born Kelso 18th April 1856. His father James Moore-occ labourer, mother Bridget Moore nee' Law. His sister Jane was also born in Kelso but have not looked at that image.
Hope this helps.
John
Added this 1861 england census confirms James occupation.
Piece: 24
Folio: 76
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Dennis Moore 48
Bridget Moore 40
Rose Skealy Moore 20
Rose Moore 15
Catherine Moore 13
Flaten Moore 9
Richd Moore 5
Jane Moore 3
Mary Ellen Skeley 8/12
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.......prior to 1839 when they had their first child, Mary Ann Moore, 25 APR 1839 • Instiogue Parish, Kilkenny.
Link-
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635328#page/50/mode/1up
Top of the right hand page.
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Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: Denis Moore
Gender: Male
Diocese: Cork and Ross
Spouse:
Bridget Lane
Child:
Winifred Moore bap 26th July 1841
Image on Ancestry and mother is Bridget LAW
Joh
John
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I'm not sure why you think Bridget might have been Protestant but I've never come across a non-Catholic Bridget in Ireland in 1800s. While it's not impossible your Bridget was Protestant it was unlikely.
In the 1911 census there 140,586 entries for 'Bridget.' Selecting Roman Catholic for religion there are 139,333. Two were in households that refused information, 258 listed as Church of Ireland (several not born in Ireland, and 1 from a family I know is mis-transcribed as Bridget, quite a few living as servants in COI households and likely Catholic), 22 as Church of England, 2 listed as Church of Scotland (both are Catholic according to census forms), 39 Presbyterians (at least one has religion mis-transcribed & others servants in Presbyterian household) ...
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These 4 children baptisms (Catholic)can be found on Scotlandspeople.
MOORE
PATRICK
DENNIS MOORE/BRIDGET LAW
M
0/0/1853
4/8/1853
Edinburgh, St Mary's Cathedral
MOORE
FENLON
DENNIS MOORE/BRIDGET LAW
M
28/12/1851
0/1/1852
Edinburgh, St Mary's Cathedral
MOORE
BRYAN
DENNIS MOORE/BRIDGET LAW
M
28/12/1851
0/1/1852
Edinburgh, St Mary's Cathedral
MOORE
CATHERINE ALI
DENIS MOORE/BRIDGT LOW
F
27/8/1848
18/9/1848
Newton Stewart, Our Lady and St Ninian
John
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Not sure just how much info you have about Dennis Moore & Bridget and their children but there is masses to be found.
John
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Thanks All,
The reason for the hunch about Bridget being protestant is the surname of Law. They appear to be from Scotland and predominently protestant. Presbyterian would be a good possibillity for a Scotsh/Irish familiy moving from Scotland to Ireland at the turn of the 19th century I would think. I have no idea how to explore Presbyterian records though.
I have all the records from Scotland and also from England when they moved there a decade later. I have a great deal on the family and descendants past their time in Ireland. Not many stones unturned there...it's the "dark ages" in Ireland that cause me grief and keep me from learning about the Law family.
The record for Winifred Moore is definitely on my radar but, as she wasn't with them later in the census and I couldln't find any deaths, I could never confirm Winifred born in Cork was theirs. However, the survey was in Cork during that time so it is not impossible to imagine. That would make Denis' mother's name likely Winifred if that baby was theirs. There is also a bastard "Magdalen" born to Denis Moore and Bridget "Lay" in Mountrath in 1836 that I cannot rule out as a possible first born.
In the 1851 Census in Edinburgh, the family was living with Denis' brother Anthony 20 y and nephew Fenton 20 y. I've learned a great day about Anthony, another surveyor, and his descendants. Could never confirm which Fenton Moore (several in England where they all moved and assumed he moved too instead of returning to Ireland) was this man in later years. Would be good to know who his father/Denis' brother was.
I feel like I have so many things. There must be a morsel somewhere that would lead me backward to where I need to be if I just looked at it diffierently/correctly.
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Just found the baptism for Mary Anne. It gives the sponsors names as James Garland and Mary Walsh from the parish of Clonany/Clonanny? have you followed these up to see how they tie in? Sponsors are very important in RC baptisms.
Yes, I have tried to learn more about these two people but cannot so far. All the sponsors after this seem to be people that worked with Denis on the survey. James Garland might be one of them.
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"What would you do?"
I'd start looking for anyone in Ireland named Fenton Moore in the generation before Denis. It's not the most common given name in the world and sure looks like a name used in that family, since you found a nephew Fenton as well as Denis' son. If you don't find Denis' father that way (which you might, since both he and a brother named a son Fenton) you have a very good chance of at least finding his family and locality.
Map of the given name Fenton on Irish records, 1864 - 1913:
https://www.johngrenham.com/surnamescode/forenames_gro.php?forename=Fenton
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extra points if you find a Fenton Moore who was a surveyor.
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extra points if you find a Fenton Moore who was a surveyor.
How many points ;D
West Somerset Free Press, 6 Dec.1884: November 2_th, at Bastover, Bridgwater, William Richard, son of Mr. Fenton Moore, ordnance surveyor, aged _ years.
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Thanks All,
In the 1851 Census in Edinburgh, the family was living with Denis' brother Anthony 20 y and nephew Fenton 20 y.
Ancestry transcribes that Fenton's birthplace as "Lucens County, Ireland". I don't have access to the image of the 1851 census in Scotland.
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extra points if you find a Fenton Moore who was a surveyor.
How many points ;D
West Somerset Free Press, 6 Dec.1884: November 2_th, at Bastover, Bridgwater, William Richard, son of Mr. Fenton Moore, ordnance surveyor, aged _ years.
:)
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And Denis', Bridget's, and daughter Mary Ann's birthplace is "Queensbannly, Ireland" according to the 1851 Census in Scotland
For brother Anthony: "Shire Iucensborenty, Ireland"
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Yes, definitely Queens County but it gives them all borth there; including Bridget. Who knows how accurate but helps to ensure I have the right lot.
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Thanks All,
In the 1851 Census in Edinburgh, the family was living with Denis' brother Anthony 20 y and nephew Fenton 20 y.
Ancestry transcribes that Fenton's birthplace as "Lucens County, Ireland". I don't have access to the image of the 1851 census in Scotland.
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Yes, that would be the child of my GG Grandfather Fenton Moore, the one born to Denis and Bridget in Edinburgh.
extra points if you find a Fenton Moore who was a surveyor.
How many points ;D
West Somerset Free Press, 6 Dec.1884: November 2_th, at Bastover, Bridgwater, William Richard, son of Mr. Fenton Moore, ordnance surveyor, aged _ years.
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And Denis', Bridget's, and daughter Mary Ann's birthplace is "Queensbannly, Ireland" according to the 1851 Census in Scotland
For brother Anthony: "Shire Iucensborenty, Ireland"
The shire is actually from the daughter's birthplace listed above:
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"West Somerset Free Press, 6 Dec.1884: November 2_th, at Bastover, Bridgwater, William Richard, son of Mr. Fenton Moore, ordnance surveyor, aged _ years."
xpress4 if you are following this find up, it might help to know that 'Bastover' should almost certainly read 'Eastover' ! Never heard of Bastover in Bridgwater, my grandparent's home town, visited often.
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From Freecen for 1851, the entry showing as:
www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5903d79de9379091b1f9ecb4/denis-moore-1851-midlothian-edinburgh-1815-?locale=en
Monica
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Not sure if just a co incidence on names/locations...
Could this Fenton be connected? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8761036
I did see an entry for a Denis:
Denis Moore
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1817
Birth Place: Clonend, Queens
Military Date: 1 Jan 1838
Unit: 57th Foot Soldiers, 1st Battalion
Couldn't make out his birth place from original image:
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Sorry, Brenda. I am rehashing your old research findings I think ::) ;D www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=209527.0
Monica
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What I would do also is to got to the 1901/11 census and track back the Law families that are there at that stage in Kilkenny, Queens and Kings Counties.
There are Laws who are Presbyterian and even an elderly Law (Margaret) who is a Scottish Presbyterian residing in Kings County.
I would definitely try to to find out more about the Law showing up in Griffiths.
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No worries Monica!
I think he must be related...maybe brother to my Denis?
Not sure if just a co incidence on names/locations...
Could this Fenton be connected? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8761036
I did see an entry for a Denis:
Denis Moore
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1817
Birth Place: Clonend, Queens
Military Date: 1 Jan 1838
Unit: 57th Foot Soldiers, 1st Battalion
Couldn't make out his birth place from original image:
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There were two Fenton Moores born in Scotland in the 1850s.
One to Anthony in 1857 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQC6-MZC I think you have mentioned that you have followed through on Anthony's line.
There is also one born/died in Edinburgh in 1854, father Patrick. Have you come across this one? www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTNF-121
These are just side notes really to all the info you have ;)
Monica
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I'm not sure why you think Bridget might have been Protestant but I've never come across a non-Catholic Bridget in Ireland in 1800s. While it's not impossible your Bridget was Protestant it was unlikely.
In the 1911 census there 140,586 entries for 'Bridget.' Selecting Roman Catholic for religion there are 139,333. Two were in households that refused information, 258 listed as Church of Ireland (several not born in Ireland, and 1 from a family I know is mis-transcribed as Bridget, quite a few living as servants in COI households and likely Catholic), 22 as Church of England, 2 listed as Church of Scotland (both are Catholic according to census forms), 39 Presbyterians (at least one has religion mis-transcribed & others servants in Presbyterian household) ...
Just following up Aghadowey's point.
There were Laws around in Kilkenny later on and they appear to be Presbyterian. I was wondering if Bridget had turned RC at some stage and this may have been a baptismal name.
I know, in theory, in the Christian church you can be baptised once, 'all churches are God's churches' (this is an Anglican view) but I do know that the RC church did baptise over the top as this did happen in my g'mother in the early days of their marriage. (In NZ, late 1890s.)
My oldest Aunt & Uncle (2 & 3) were at home with a neighbour looking after them while my g'mother was out helping my g'father when a priest sent by the paternal mother came to the house and baptised these two. My g'mother was the daughter of a fierce Irish Presbyterian, and my g'father who was a lapsed Catholic who had left his studies to be a priest at a NZ seminary to apprentice as a saddler was not pleased either. The aunt had been christened already but my younger uncle had not. He used to tease my g'mother about it but never went to a Catholic church.
Anyway it did used to happen and she may have been blessed with a saints name and took this from then....would be made easier by a move to England where no-one would have known the earlier name.
OP which church did the family go to in Scotland? Are there any female names that you cannot place from the father's family? You have said you have a Mary Anne?
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I forgot about that one! Thank you. I meant to look in on it and it slipped my mind :)
There were two Fenton Moores born in Scotland in the 1850s.
One to Anthony in 1857 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQC6-MZC I think you have mentioned that you have followed through on Anthony's line.
There is also one born/died in Edinburgh in 1854, father Patrick. Have you come across this one? www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTNF-121
These are just side notes really to all the info you have ;)
Monica
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All the children seem to have been baptisted in Catholilc churches.
On the other information, so supposing she was a Presbyterian and married Denis, a Catholic. From what you say below, is it conceivable she changed her first name to marry him and become catholic? So she could have been born a Presbyterian Law with another first name? Not sure if I'm understanding correctly.
As a sidenote, I always thought it strange that they, nor their children, named anyone Bridget......
" I was wondering if Bridget had turned RC at some stage and this may have been a baptismal name. "
I know, in theory, in the Christian church you can be baptised once, 'all churches are God's churches' (this is an Anglican view) but I do know that the RC church did baptise over the top as this did happen in my g'mother in the early days of their marriage. (In NZ, late 1890s.)
My oldest Aunt & Uncle (2 & 3) were at home with a neighbour looking after them while my g'mother was out helping my g'father when a priest sent by the paternal mother came to the house and baptised these two. My g'mother was the daughter of a fierce Irish Presbyterian, and my g'father who was a lapsed Catholic who had left his studies to be a priest at a NZ seminary to apprentice as a saddler was not pleased either. The aunt had been christened already but my younger uncle had not. He used to tease my g'mother about it but never went to a Catholic church.
Anyway it did used to happen and she may have been blessed with a saints name and took this from then....would be made easier by a move to England where no-one would have known the earlier name.
OP which church did the family go to in Scotland? Are there any female names that you cannot place from the father's family? You have said you have a Mary Anne?
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Do you have this one?
Scotlandspeople Roman Catholic Baptisms
MOORE Rosa parents Dionysius MOORE / Brigitta LAW F(emale)
born 4/12/1845
baptised 26/1/1846 @ St Peter's Dalbeattie
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All the children seem to have been baptisted in Catholilc churches.
On the other information, so supposing she was a Presbyterian and married Denis, a Catholic. From what you say below, is it conceivable she changed her first name to marry him and become catholic? So she could have been born a Presbyterian Law with another first name? Not sure if I'm understanding correctly.
As a sidenote, I always thought it strange that they, nor their children, named anyone Bridget......
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Yes if she been 'required' to become a Catholic when she married or if she decided to turn Catholic afterwards, she may have been rebaptised or taken a name of a Saint.
In many mixed marriages there was a requirement/expectation that the non Catholic partner would become a Catholic on marriage so that the wedding could take place in a Catholic Church.
At the very least even if the non Catholic partner decided not to get married as a Catholic there was an expectation that any children would be brought up Catholic.
So yes say she was a Presbyterian Law with a different first name say Margaret. She marries in the Catholic church as a Catholic and as part of getting ready to do this she chooses the name of the female Irish saint. Brigid is St Brigid of Kildare or Birgitta. There is St Bridget after St Bridget of Sweden.
What are the names of Bridget's female children?
Actually I am wondering if the Presbyterian idea would be correct as her father's name of Patrick is not particularly Presbyterian well in my Pres family there are none that I have come across.
We did find a Patrick in Griffiths Valuation though???
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Along with Griffiths valuation there are another set of census substitutes and these are the Tithe Applotment books'
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
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I apologise as in my rush to tell of Scotlands people not only did I make multiple typos but I neglected to say my MUIR family appear as MOORE on immigration records which the agent wrote. Maybe the reverse happened for your folk and you might find the odd stray record under MUIR or MURE
Regards
pH
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Yes. Thank you! :)
Do you have this one?
Scotlandspeople Roman Catholic Baptisms
MOORE Rosa parents Dionysius MOORE / Brigitta LAW F(emale)
born 4/12/1845
baptised 26/1/1846 @ St Peter's Dalbeattie
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Yes if she been 'required' to become a Catholic when she married or if she decided to turn Catholic afterwards, she may have been rebaptised or taken a name of a Saint.
So yes say she was a Presbyterian Law with a different first name say Margaret. She marries in the Catholic church as a Catholic and as part of getting ready to do this she chooses the name of the female Irish saint. Brigid is St Brigid of Kildare or Birgitta. There is St Bridget after St Bridget of Sweden.
Everyone in my family who had a conditional baptism when they became members of the Catholic Church kept the name their parents gave them. So our Diana (name of a goddess) was always Diana. Catholics choose a Confirmation name which is a saint's name but don't generally use it in everyday life.
Bridget may or may not have been Catholic. Likely she was named after a relative.
The law on marriages between a Catholic and a member of another church in Ireland in 1830s was that to be legal the wedding had to be in a Church of Ireland. Some people getting married didn't know that. It was still illegal for a Catholic priest in Ireland to conduct a marriage between a Catholic and a member of C. of I., although they weren't being prosecuted by then. Occasionally a disapproving relative of the C. of I. spouse complained to the authorities.
The requirement in Catholic canon law for a Catholic to be married by a Catholic priest hadn't been adopted in Ireland when Denis and Bridge married. (Ne temere decree on marriage 1917)
Marriage by licence instead of banns was more popular & cheaper in Ireland than in England in 19thC.
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Map of the given name Fenton on Irish records, 1864 - 1913:
https://www.johngrenham.com/surnamescode/forenames_gro.php?forename=Fenton
You can do the same with the Law surname. When the distribution map comes up, select "Catholic baptisms" and "Catholic marriages" from menu to see locations.
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Just a note to thank all of you for your wonderful input. So much information!
All I can do is assume Bridget Law was simply Bridget Law and there are no records online OR I have to figure out COI/Presbyterian record sources to try to find her and her kin
Not sure where to start but I'm not giving up....ever. I tried to locate family of Patrick Law who showedine up in Walkinslough (is that a great name or what?) but nothing to be found from what I an see now.
Those irish naming patterns haunt me but I may just have to wait until more goes online....patience.
Again, thanks so much for your time
Brenda
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Have you checked existence of Catholic registers in/near places/counties where Bridget Law may have lived? Consider counties Carlow and Wexford, too.
Was Dennis in the army or was he a civilian working on the Ordnance survey project?
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Presbyterian records, in general, tend not to be online and many pre-1870 Church of Ireland registers were lost in Dublin in the 1920s. However, I still think that Bridget was Catholic- perhaps her father was Protestant and her own mother was Catholic. Mixed marriages did happen and not all children would have been raised in the same denominations (I've seen quite a few instances were the girls were raised in the mother's church and any sons followed the father's religion).
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Have you checked existence of Catholic registers in/near places/counties where Bridget Law may have lived? Consider counties Carlow and Wexford, too.
Was Dennis in the army or was he a civilian working on the Ordnance survey project?
Hi, I did a broad search on Ancestry based on an approximate birth year of 1820 but the results were in Wicklow and Kilkenny and about six years early. Names of parents don't seem to align.
Denis was an Office Messenger for the Survey, so civilian staff.
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Presbyterian records, in general, tend not to be online and many pre-1870 Church of Ireland registers were lost in Dublin in the 1920s. However, I still think that Bridget was Catholic- perhaps her father was Protestant and her own mother was Catholic. Mixed marriages did happen and not all children would have been raised in the same denominations (I've seen quite a few instances were the girls were raised in the mother's church and any sons followed the father's religion).
I am thinking this too but I think perhaps father was Catholic and mother was Presbyterian.
A list of Bridget's children might help.
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Presbyterian records, in general, tend not to be online and many pre-1870 Church of Ireland registers were lost in Dublin in the 1920s. However, I still think that Bridget was Catholic- perhaps her father was Protestant and her own mother was Catholic. Mixed marriages did happen and not all children would have been raised in the same denominations (I've seen quite a few instances were the girls were raised in the mother's church and any sons followed the father's religion).
Thank you! So confusing and hard to figure out :(
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Presbyterian records, in general, tend not to be online and many pre-1870 Church of Ireland registers were lost in Dublin in the 1920s. However, I still think that Bridget was Catholic- perhaps her father was Protestant and her own mother was Catholic. Mixed marriages did happen and not all children would have been raised in the same denominations (I've seen quite a few instances were the girls were raised in the mother's church and any sons followed the father's religion).
I am thinking this too but I think perhaps father was Catholic and mother was Presbyterian.
A list of Bridget's children might help.
Hi There,
The ones I can verify (all baptised Catholic) were Mary Ann, Rose, Catherine, Fenton, Patrick, Richard George and Jane.
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Have you checked existence of Catholic registers in/near places/counties where Bridget Law may have lived? Consider counties Carlow and Wexford, too.
Was Dennis in the army or was he a civilian working on the Ordnance survey project?
Hi, I did a broad search on Ancestry based on an approximate birth year of 1820 but the results were in Wicklow and Kilkenny and about six years early. Names of parents don't seem to align.
Denis was an Office Messenger for the Survey, so civilian staff.
Catholic Registers at National Library of Ireland
https://registers.nli.ie/about
Enter name of a parish in search box. Parish will be shown on a map + other parishes nearby. Click on a parish for list of registers with years. N.B. A parish may have more than 1 register for a sequence of years. Also there may be missing registers or gaps in surviving registers. Also "disordered" registers, e.g. out-of-sequence dates. Also incorrect transcriptions & illegible writing.
Most likely thing is that the marriage register for the year Dennis and Bridget married doesn't exist.
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The requirement in Catholic canon law for a Catholic to be married by a Catholic priest hadn't been adopted in Ireland when Denis and Bridge married. (Ne temere decree on marriage 1917)
"Ne temere" decree on marriage was 1907 not 1917.
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Have you checked existence of Catholic registers in/near places/counties where Bridget Law may have lived? Consider counties Carlow and Wexford, too.
Was Dennis in the army or was he a civilian working on the Ordnance survey project?
Hi, I did a broad search on Ancestry based on an approximate birth year of 1820 but the results were in Wicklow and Kilkenny and about six years early. Names of parents don't seem to align.
Denis was an Office Messenger for the Survey, so civilian staff.
Catholic Registers at National Library of Ireland
https://registers.nli.ie/about
Enter name of a parish in search box. Parish will be shown on a map + other parishes nearby. Click on a parish for list of registers with years. N.B. A parish may have more than 1 register for a sequence of years. Also there may be missing registers or gaps in surviving registers. Also "disordered" registers, e.g. out-of-sequence dates. Also incorrect transcriptions & illegible writing.
Most likely thing is that the marriage register for the year Dennis and Bridget married doesn't exist.
But perhaps some host of COI or Presbyterian record if I dig hard enough right?
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But perhaps some host of COI or Presbyterian record if I dig hard enough right?
I'm afraid I don't understand what you are asking. The Church of Ireland and the Presbyterian Church are entirely separate.
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But perhaps some host of COI or Presbyterian record if I dig hard enough right?
I'm afraid I don't understand what you are asking. The Church of Ireland and the Presbyterian Church are entirely separate.
So sorry, what a I meant to say is, if Denis was Catholic and Bridget was either Presbyterian or COL, perhaps there is a marriage record available in the Presb or COL reocrds
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If the marriage was in a Presbyterian church then it would appear in its records (if such records survive).
If it was a Church of Ireland marriage then it would be in the records for that church (if it survives- many pre-1870 COI registers were lost).
It the marriage took place in a Catholic church then that's where the marriage would have been recorded.
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Irish Genealogy Toolkit is a guide to Irish family history. Information about church records is under Genealogy tab. The pages on C. of I. include a link to the printed list of C. of I. parish registers. The list is in alphabetical order by name of parish.
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com
SWilson.Info is a useful source for locating C. of I. and R.C. parishes. There are various search functions.
http://www.swilson.info/index.php
If it was a Church of Ireland marriage then it would be in the records for that church (if it survives- many pre-1870 COI registers were lost).
Some were early casualties of the Irish Civil War 100 years ago.