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Is it possible to find this family without knowing where they came from?
E.g.
Michael Ramplin born circa 1897 son of James Ramplin a labourer was living at 7 Wellington Street, Widnes in 1918.
Michael married Catherine Connell at the Roman Catholic Church in Ditton, Prescot.
I did think about checking the births for Michael but wondered how many there would be with such a common name.
Does anyone have any ideas as to where I can make a start?
Regards,
Michelle
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Michelle:
I am a little confused. You have a place to begin, Prescot or Ditton. Or am I missing something? Here is one site for Ramplins:
http://www.rgreen.org.uk/Ramplin.html
And here is a great site for Prescot with lots of old photos also going back to early 1900's. http://history.knowsley.gov.uk/results/search_prescot.html
And here is the Genuki page:http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Prescot/
Here is link to Widnes genealogy group: http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/Widnes/Widnes%20Welcome.htm
Good luck,
Pat
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Hi Pat,
Thanks for your message. The family came to Prescot from Ireland according to family oral history; research backs this up as there are no Ramplin(g)s in Widnes before 1919 (a couple at St Helens). There are certainly no James Ramplins and no Michael Ramplins. There is no Michael on the 1901 Census for England and Wales though there are a few James - mainly Suffolk.
There are three births in the Widnes area and two marriages only between 1900-1920, all from my family. This would suggest that they came from somewhere else, of course it does not have to be Ireland but if the statistics are combined with the oral history then it is a likely place. Though there are many Irish in Scotland... ;D
Regards,
Michelle
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I tried BIVRI for your names but found no matches - sorry :(
saz
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Connell is certainly an Irish name, Michelle. Oral history can be weak at times particularly if there are claims to Royalty. The oral history of your family looks good as they settled in an area on the east coast of England near a major seaport serving the Irish routes. My suggestion would be to consider looking at the Connell surname for the place of Catherine's birth. Look also for the birth place of her parents and grandparents. There is an outside chance that Catherine and Michael met in Ireland but married in England. The Ramplin surname may not appear in the Irish records. There is a possibility James Ramplin's father or grandfather worked as a farm labourer and lived with the farmer and his family. Only the name of the head of household appeared in many Irish records. Again, you may be lucky if you can establish the birthplace of Catherine in Ireland. If there was a large estate in that locality the estate records may produce something of interest to you. I am sorry this is all supposition but it is worth leaving all possible trails open for research.
Best Wishes, Christopher
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Hi everyone,
Thank you for your replies. I do not know much about these families but I think I have found Catherine Connell on the 1901 Census with her family. She and her siblings were born in the Prescot area probably Halewood specifically, but her parents are denoted as being born in 'Ireland':
John Connell aged 39
Mary Connell aged 36
The family were not around in 1891 and the parents may have married in Ireland.
Thanks.
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CONNELL, John Age: 21 Marriage
Wife: Mary CLAYTON Age: 26
Marriage Date: 12 Feb 1877
Recorded in: Farrington, Lancashire, England
Husband's Father: William CONNELL
Wife's Father: Robert CLAYTON
Source: FHL Film 1471152 Dates: 1873 - 1900
CONNELL, John Age: 21 Marriage
Wife: Mary Ann BOOTHBY Age: 18
Marriage Date: 10 Oct 1896 Recorded in: Preston, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Luke
Husband's Father: John CONNELL
Wife's Father: John Charles BOOTHBY
Source: FHL Film 1471020 Dates: 1864 - 1900
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oops - sorry pushed the wrong key!
I found the above on BIVRI - the dates are all wrong and dont fit with your ages on 1901 census but I think they may be from the right sort of area
saz
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Widnes and Halewood are pretty close together near the Mersey. But at a guess I should say Preston and Farrington are about 50 miles away :) :)
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Hi,
Thanks for the marriages Saz. Their eldest child in 1901 was about eight years old so I hope they married before then, but one never knows! I think to save on supposition I will get Catherine's birth certificate and that way I'll at least have a maiden surname for the mother. I might get somewhere then... ;)
Michelle
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Hi Michelle
Looks like its a long time since your original post but I just discovered Roots.
Catherine Connell was my Paternal Grandmother even though I only saw her once as a child.
My father James Ramplin divorced my Mother when I was very young and went to live in Bethnal
Green where he died.
Would love to hear how you fit into the family jigsaw.
Regards
Tony.
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Welcome to RootsChat, Tony :)
Catherine Connell was my Paternal Grandmother even though I only saw her once as a child.
Michelle hasn't been on RootsChat since June 2012 but if her email hasn't changed, she hopefully will still receive a notification of your reply and will return.
If you make at least one more post, you can use the PM system to try to contact her.
From her original post:
Michael Ramplin born circa 1897 son of James Ramplin a labourer was living at 7 Wellington Street, Widnes in 1918.
Michael married Catherine Connell at the Roman Catholic Church in Ditton, Prescot.
If Michael was born in Ireland, then this is the only corresponding birth entry (which you might have). Birth 15th November 1896, registered 13th January 1897.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02135/1811071.pdf
KG
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Subject to the Michael Ramplin being the correct one, then here are births for his older brother and younger sister:
John Ramplin born 1894
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02246/1845572.pdf
Mary Ramplin born 1898
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02069/1790306.pdf
The whole family then move to Co. Galway.
1901 census
Residents of a house 29 in Gort, Church Street (Gort, Galway).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Gort/Gort__Church_Street/1384014/
George Ramplin born in 1900 in Gort.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01971/1759991.pdf
....and in 1911 census with four further siblings.
Residents of a house 30 in Church Street (Gort, Galway)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Gort/Church_Street/902855/
Think the father James has mixed up the ages of Michael and Mary.
KG
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Thanks Kiltaglassan
I always understood anecdotally that the Ramplins were from the Limerick area.
You're the first to solve the mystery.
Do you know if the name "Ramplin" is essentially Irish or from elsewhere?
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Do you know if the name "Ramplin" is essentially Irish or from elsewhere?
This is what John Grenham shows for the surname 'Ramplin'.
https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=Ramplin