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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: BODIGIAN and KARAKOTCHIAN from Constantinople
« on: Friday 25 February 11 21:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Nick

My understanding is that those filmed by the LDS represent but a tiny proportion of the whole. You may of course be lucky if your ancestors came from a parish for which there are surviving records of the right dates, and let's hope so.

It is almost certain that there are additional records in Turkish state archives but where there are, how they are catalogued if at all, and how accessible they are, I do not know.
At the moment, I believe that a majority of the pre-1920s records for the Armenian communities across Anatolia will have been destroyed. It would be great to be proved wrong and to find out that there are undiscovered records in Turkey, or that known records become more accessible, over the next few years.

Bluebird

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Other Countries / Re: Ukraine, Avgustovka, aka: Avhustivka
« on: Friday 25 February 11 21:18 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there

My first advice is that, if you are at all uncertain of the location, be very careful that you travel to the correct place. There were at least 11 places called Augustówka in inter-War Poland (which included much of what is now western Ukraine) and presumably others outside its then borders in neighbouring Belarusian and Ukrainian USSR.

Having said that, I think the most likely candidate is the village Augustówka / Avgustivka about 8km SSW from Zborów / Zboriv in the region of Tarnopol / Ternopil. If the family was Polish (or other) Roman Catholic, the parish of worship was Koniuchy. If the family was Ukrainian Greek Catholic, the church was in Avgustivka itself. This village was primarily Ukrainian (Ruthenian): circa 1907, the population was 112 Roman Catholic, 553 Greek Catholic and 15 Jewish.

Where the records are, and whether they survive, may well depend on the religion and nationality.

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Other Countries / Re: Russia
« on: Friday 25 February 11 20:49 GMT (UK)  »
Can you supply a little more information please?

For example, it would be helpful to know place/region (without which little will be possible except the most speculative enquiries), religion/ethnicity, when they left Russia etc etc. I'm sure you'll appreciate that there are so many variables, given the sheer size of Russia, the multinational nature of its former Imperial and Soviet empires etc.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: BODIGIAN and KARAKOTCHIAN from Constantinople
« on: Friday 25 February 11 20:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, I have done Armenian research professionally and I have to tell you that current prospects are not good if, as in your case, ancestors came from what is today Turkey (whereas Armenian genealogical research in Armenia, Georgia and elsewhere is feasible). Many records do not survive; any that do survive seem inaccessible. Some records were taken to Yerevan during the 1915 Genocide or later events such as the great population exchange (which affected Armenians as well as Greeks). But the chances of finding anything for a family are always slim.

Bluebird

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Europe / Re: Rosalie Lauber of Chrzanow, Poland
« on: Wednesday 23 February 11 16:30 GMT (UK)  »
Katowice archives - http://www.katowice.ap.gov.pl - hold Roman Catholic records for this town but apparently no Jewish ones.

This means that records are probably at the Jewish Historical Institute in Warsaw. See 
http://www.jewishinstitute.org.pl/en/home/index/0.html


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Europe / Re: Turkey - Greek Orthodox
« on: Wednesday 23 February 11 16:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

I undertake Greek research professionally and I can tell you it will be tricky to try to get records out of Turkey. However, some Greek church and civil registers were removed to Athens in the aftermath of the collapse of the Megali Idea and the great popluation exchange in 1922/23.

Where did they come from in Turkey? Post-WW2 the Greek population in Turkey was pretty much restricted to Constantinople/Istanbul, Imbros and Tenedos.

With a little more information, I could perhaps give you a better idea of the possibilities.

Bluebird

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Europe / Re: Poland-Germany-England-Australia
« on: Wednesday 23 February 11 16:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Chestergirl
It's hard to say on the basis of your post but I would say a) he may have been a forced labourer in Nazi Germany, or a camp inmate, even at his tender age; b) he was very probably an officially registered Displaced Person at the end of the WW2, along with hundreds of thousands of others; c) he did not wish to go back to what had become Communist Poland, or believed he had no surviving family there; d) he wanted a new life somewhere in the West; e) Australia, like Britain, accepted many thousands of DPs.
Are you sure he had a full British passport, rather than temporary travel documents issued in UK? It's somewhat unlikely he could have got a full GB passport within two years of arrival in Britain.
Feel free to PM me if you wish.
Bluebird

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Europe / Re: Poland looking for Gawryluk
« on: Wednesday 23 February 11 15:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Diane
You really need to be able to find a place of birth to make progress, especially as the name looks more Ukrainian than Polish - he could have been a Greek Catholic from what is now the SE of Poland or W Ukraine. Did Teodor become a naturalised British subject? If so, there might be some record of his place of birth in his naturalisation record. Or was he a UN-recognised Displaced Person at the end of WW2? If so, there are surviving records (not online, in Germany) which could give a place of birth and names of parents.
Bluebird

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Europe / Re: Franciska Skowinski
« on: Wednesday 23 February 11 15:47 GMT (UK)  »
I wonder if you mean Lemberg, now L'viv in Western Ukraine - it had a large Polish population up to WW2.

In the right contexts, you can get an approximation of an "am" sound in Polish using the vowels ą or ę, so if you don't think L'viv is worth considering you might look for places beginning Ląb- or Lęb- (or Łąb- or Łęb-) - personally, though, I would want to look at L'viv first.

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