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Messages - Ulrich A Klug

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Why did Alexander Hang himself?
« on: Monday 28 June 10 07:07 BST (UK)  »
concequent in .....
dissipation.

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Staffordshire / Re: Lost Staffordshire Thomas Shenton!
« on: Wednesday 23 June 10 14:49 BST (UK)  »
I have a Hannah Whieldon, bpt. 27.10.1722 in Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire. She was daughter of my gr-5th-grandparents Joseph Whieldon and Aliciae Malkin - and sister of the potter Thomas Whieldon of Fenton.

If you are interested please e-mail me - or message here.

Ulrich

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London & Middlesex Lookup Offers / Re: House adverts 1933
« on: Wednesday 23 June 10 11:55 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much Emjaybee -

Very interesting.

Ulrich

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London & Middlesex Lookup Offers / Re: House adverts 1933
« on: Wednesday 23 June 10 07:28 BST (UK)  »
Ah, thank you Emjaybee.

But if one left the house that was leased before the 99 years, one could sell the lease to sone one else?  - The only time I have heard of such a 99 year lease in Denmark, where I live, was conserning some land that the city council of Copenhagen leased some land to a private estate building society that build some terraced and semidetached houses to let to their members.

Copyhold - would this mean that the copyholder paid party with work on the owner's land?

So in leasehold you actually own the house for the 99 year period? And you don't have to ask if you want to do alterations to the house? Or does one only own the right to live in the house?

Were deeds of freehold and laeseholds registered by the authorities? I am particulary interested in a house on 27 Blenheim Road, St. John's Wood, Marylebone, London, that my gr-grandparents moved into in 1897; it was said in the family that the house was a part of her dowery and that she owned the house. But later my gr-grandfather sold it without even telling her that he did.

Then they moved to 24 Abinger Road, Bedford Park, Fulham, that was in 1910 ca. I wonder what these houses cost at that time.

Ulrich

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London and Middlesex / Re: John Turner of Great Cumberland St.
« on: Tuesday 22 June 10 21:36 BST (UK)  »
Thx a lot Jennifer, but do you think there was a Sarah born ca. 1749 and Henrietta Maria in 1751 and Lucy Turner born in ca. 1752 in the same place?

Ulrich

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London & Middlesex Lookup Offers / Re: House adverts 1933
« on: Tuesday 22 June 10 14:21 BST (UK)  »
Super interesting -

But what is the difference between lease and freehold?

Ulrich

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London and Middlesex / John Turner of Great Cumberland St.
« on: Tuesday 22 June 10 14:06 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for details on my gr-gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather

John Turner Esq.  he lived 1773-1779 at 1 Great Cumberland Street, St. George Hanover Square, Westminster, and

died at that place 01. Dec. 1779 (London Gazette).

He had several daughters:

* Charlotte (1751-1844), married to John Boylston Hallen,
* Lucy, unmarried, died 1829,
* Henrietta Maria, married to Richard Ware, a glazier of Birmingham,
* Sarah Turner (1749-1828), married 1776 in Stoke on Trent to the potter Thomas Whieldon (1719-1795).
* Maria Turner, married to George Goodwin.

But who was their mother? And where did John Turner come from, and which occupation did he have before moving to Gr. Cumberland Street.

I haven't been able to find any of the daughter's births in IGI.

More details on: http://www.dannebrog.biz/whieldon/w_thomas_1719.html


Ulrich

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Census and Resource Discussion / Re: Confusing IGI
« on: Monday 21 June 10 09:07 BST (UK)  »
Some times one does wonder a lot when reading the IGI.

After 18 years of research I finally managed to trace one of my Danish great-great-great-grandmothers in the IGI and I was surprised to see that her exact date of birth was stated, as was her brother's. I had a look at the webpage with all Danish parish registers online (scanned an use is free, excellent service btw), and this particular parish register began in 1814, and she was born in 1774. I studied the first two Danish censuses, from 1787 and 1801, and then went on to the probate records, which said nothing, and then the protocols of deeds. In Denmark deed were read out loud at the local court and written down in full text in protocols of deeds and mortgages. And here I found that my gr-gr-gr-grandmother had remounced all claims in the estate of her parents as she had received a be-cube and some linnen. To prove that she was the correct heir both her and her brother's birth certificates had been read at court and thus were entered in the protocol.

So the IGI can be surprising in more than one way.

My major problem with this family was that my gr-gr-gr-grandmother and her husband lived in one county but seemed to come from another. By searing for a Anne Kirstine Frederiksdatter with a mother called either Helene, Else or Hedevig I found her in seconds.

Ulrich

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The Lighter Side / Re: I may have talented ancestors
« on: Sunday 20 June 10 15:06 BST (UK)  »
Hi Fiona,

Did you ever find the Wheeldon-Spode connection?

My gr-gr-gr-grandfather's brother George Whieldon in 1809 married Saba Spode; they are the couple that 'the posh Spode' was referring to as the wealthy one. But George's father came from very modest origins

Please contact me; You can see my Whieldon family tree here:

http://www.dannebrog.biz/whieldon/whieldon.pdf

Ulrich

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