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The Common Room / Re: Any plasterers in your ancestry?
« on: Monday 17 January 22 15:18 GMT (UK)  »
I found a Henry Sainsbury born in 1840 in St Pancras, London living in Islington in 1901 who was a plasterer - he could be a possibility too. I'm not related just interested.  I checked back through previous censuses and it seems he always worked as a plasterer.

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Northamptonshire / Re: Trayford's of Brigstock
« on: Saturday 02 May 20 08:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi Elaine
Nice to hear from you again, you helped me a lot when I started my complicated research of this branch of my family.  That 1851 census was a godsend - my great grandmother (Catherine's granddaughter) was married under the name Alice Louisa Bell Trayfield... even though her birth surname had been registered as Bell in the Morley area.

I had no knowledge at that time to a connection to Northamptonshire and it perplexed me at the time when the only Trayfields I could find at that time was that 1851 census and after a lot of cross checking, I realised the B in the children's names stood for Bell.  My great grandfather George Henry B Trayford ended up in Morley (nr Leeds) along with his sisters Caroline and Georgina/Georgiana and at a later date his mother Catherine herself.

It seems Brigstock and the surrounding area was a hotbed of illegitimacy.  Catherine's daughter Caroline married at Joseph Starsmore in Morley (although he too was from Northamptonshire), he was born to two illegitimate parents and changed his names so often it was mind boggling

Regards
Karen

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Northamptonshire / Re: Trayford's of Brigstock
« on: Thursday 30 April 20 11:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi Hayden

I do think you are related through Georgina - I have private messaged you as I have done more research since my original post

Regards
Karen

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The Common Room / Re: Literacy in London versus the north
« on: Wednesday 28 March 18 06:43 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for your responses, particularly your points about the difference between being able to read and  able to write, which is very pertinent.  In fact I have an aunt in her eighties who would probably be diagnosed now with dyslexia, she can read perfectly well but is totally unable to write.  Also the different skills required being able to write with pen and ink versus pencil or chalk - I don't think I would manage too well writing in old fashioned pen and ink! 

Stan's link looks very interesting and I am going to have a read in more detail when I have time over the weekend!

Karen

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The Common Room / Re: Literacy in London versus the north
« on: Tuesday 27 March 18 07:16 BST (UK)  »
Sorry about that - I should have checked before posting!  The figures quoted do correlate though with my findings.  In West Yorkshire in 1839 only 55% were signing the registers and as that includes all social classes, I guess it would be lower in poorer areas and higher in more affluent areas.  In Middlesex (which includes areas such as Shoreditch), the proportion signing is 74%, a huge difference.  It still doesn't explain the reason for this massive difference and I wonder whether the fact that in the Northern mill towns, the children were employed in the mills and had little time for education whereas in the capital, did a greater proportion end up in workhouses thus receiving at least an elementary education?

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The Common Room / Literacy in London versus the north
« on: Monday 26 March 18 21:00 BST (UK)  »
Although the major part of my family research has been in the midlands and the north, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire, West Midlands, Lancashire and Yorkshire, I have more recently been researching family in London. 

What strikes me is that most of the northern research tells me that my working class ancestors in the 19th Century were illiterate and signed the marriage registers with a 'mark'.  In London, although I found family who were obviously extremely poor and living in areas renowned for poverty, Bethnal Green, Shoreditch, Clerkenwell etc, most seemed to be able to at least sign the marriage registers.  Although this not prove they were fully literate, I find the difference striking. 

Does anyone know why this would be the case?  I wondered whether it was because of a greater prevalence of charities in the capital?

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The Lighter Side / Re: Amusing findings in newspaper archives
« on: Friday 05 January 18 06:35 GMT (UK)  »
I noticed that too, I think some abbreviations have become so standard that they have become words in their own right i.e 'phone and 'flu'.  What struck me most was that the article was as recent as 1933 - I would have expected it to be 1833! 

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The Common Room / Re: Am I missing something
« on: Friday 30 June 17 22:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi

Thanks for your replies.  I've noticed a few people have Matilda in their tree on ancestry but most seem to have her with William Stubbins or William Deason not both.  I couldn't put all the info I have but to me the census information seems to link to the two marriages pretty conclusively (especially with her mother being listed thus giving her maiden name).  Thanks for the point about illiteracy.  The sticking point is William Stubbins death - i've seen one or two that could be possible but when there's more than one it's hard to be certain.

I did think it would be easier researching a London family (most of my family research as been in the midlands and north) as there are theoretically more documents but I do find they appear to be more sloppily done (especially the censuses)!

Many thanks again


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The Common Room / Am I missing something
« on: Friday 30 June 17 21:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi

I've been researching my daughter's partners family and I'm not sure whether I am missing something with this family.  All London

Matilda Jane Hemmings b 1811

Married William Stubbins 1828 St Dunstan's

Matilda Jane Stubbins marries William Deason 1835 Hackney

1841 census
Wm Deason aged 30
Matilda Deason aged 30
Wm Deason aged 5
Eliza Deason aged 3
George Stubbins aged 12
Sarah Stubbins aged 9
1851 Census
William Deason aged 41
Matilda Deason aged 41
William Deason aged 15
Matilda Deason aged 6
George Stubbins aged 22
Sarah Stubbins aged 19
Sarah Hemmings mother aged 79

so far all agrees - then I find the baptism records for George Stubbins, Sarah Stubbins and William Deason - all on 3rd April 1836 in Hackney.  George and Sarah on page 105 and William Deason on page 106.  The birth dates agree but George and Sarah's dad is given as William Stubbins but it doesnt say he is deceased.  Also George and Sarah have a different residence listed.  Is it normal not to mention a parent is deceased on a baptism.

Another anomaly is Matilda's second marriage lists her as a spinster.

Sorry for long post - but I wondered if anyone thinks I could have made a mistake anywhere?

Many thanks

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