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Kent / Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« on: Saturday 27 April 24 18:22 BST (UK) »
That's helpful, one less to research.... Thank you
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Kent / Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« on: Saturday 27 April 24 14:30 BST (UK) »
SS, Yes that could be him, but I've now found two others.......
The one you have found was a POW, taken at Epsny 30.11.1917. rank PTE no. 141682 B Comp. South Lancs. Born 7 Oct 1895 Skelmersdale
Could very well be him.
Also could be;
James Shufflebotham, soldier no. 70201 5th S.Lancs, service no 4138
James Shufflebotham, soldier no. 241683, 5th, b.comp S.Lancs. POW 30.11.1917 born Skerber (?) Lancs. home address Clock Fall, Skerber, Lancs.
I'm not sure if the POW's are one in the same chap, or just coincidence that both in same regiment and both taken POW on same day in same battle.
The one you have found was a POW, taken at Epsny 30.11.1917. rank PTE no. 141682 B Comp. South Lancs. Born 7 Oct 1895 Skelmersdale
Could very well be him.
Also could be;
James Shufflebotham, soldier no. 70201 5th S.Lancs, service no 4138
James Shufflebotham, soldier no. 241683, 5th, b.comp S.Lancs. POW 30.11.1917 born Skerber (?) Lancs. home address Clock Fall, Skerber, Lancs.
I'm not sure if the POW's are one in the same chap, or just coincidence that both in same regiment and both taken POW on same day in same battle.
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Kent / Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« on: Saturday 27 April 24 12:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you again for all the help and links. James Webb (Jimmie's) birth certificate states;
Father James Webb (so we believe really James Shufflebotham)
Private
South Lancashire Regiment
Motor car driver
Just found this;
1/4th Battalion Territorial Force
04.08.1914 Stationed at Warrington, Cheshire as part of the South Lancs. Brigade of the West Lancs. Division.
13.08.1914 Moved to Dunfermline and then Tunbridge Wells.
Feb 1915 Mobilised for war leaving the Division and landing at Havre.
Jimmie's Mother Lucy Mary was living with her mother Alice in Tunbridge Wells. Jimmie was born July 1915, so was conceived around October 1914. It fits!
Just need to find James Shufflebotham in that battalion of the South Lancs Reg.
Golly I could never have found any of this without all your help
Father James Webb (so we believe really James Shufflebotham)
Private
South Lancashire Regiment
Motor car driver
Just found this;
1/4th Battalion Territorial Force
04.08.1914 Stationed at Warrington, Cheshire as part of the South Lancs. Brigade of the West Lancs. Division.
13.08.1914 Moved to Dunfermline and then Tunbridge Wells.
Feb 1915 Mobilised for war leaving the Division and landing at Havre.
Jimmie's Mother Lucy Mary was living with her mother Alice in Tunbridge Wells. Jimmie was born July 1915, so was conceived around October 1914. It fits!
Just need to find James Shufflebotham in that battalion of the South Lancs Reg.
Golly I could never have found any of this without all your help
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Kent / Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« on: Saturday 27 April 24 08:18 BST (UK) »
Thank you Cas. The simplest explanation is usually the best one. I was just thinking Lucy made up the name Shufflebotham.....
I'm guess that if James was really in the regiment, and I see no reason for her to have invented that, then he must have been close to Tunbridge in 1914 as that's where Lucy was living with her Mother.
It's another avanue to explore.....
I'm guess that if James was really in the regiment, and I see no reason for her to have invented that, then he must have been close to Tunbridge in 1914 as that's where Lucy was living with her Mother.
It's another avanue to explore.....
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Kent / Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« on: Friday 26 April 24 23:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks to SS I now have his death in second quarter of 1969 in Tonbridge. Will get cert. from GRO tomorrow.
You've all been so helpful and have solved a few family mysteries for me. Thank you
You've all been so helpful and have solved a few family mysteries for me. Thank you
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Kent / Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« on: Friday 26 April 24 23:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Lizzie
Thanks to you pointing me at Steyning, I found his birth and got the certificate from GRO. The birth date 25th July 1915 matches what is in my Grandmothers birth book. It gives father as James Webb, Mother Lucy Mary Webb mn Shufflebotham.
I believe this is Lucy Mary Webb, daughter of Alice, born 1898. I now think she was sent off to her elder sister Francis in Hove to have the illigitimate baby James and she lied about being married and having a maiden name.
My guess is the father was a lad called James something or other and he was a driver in the South Lancashire regiment (as the birth certificate claims) he was not present when James (Jimmie) was registered.
I have trawled through all the sites I belong to and cannot find a Lucy Mary Shufflebotham anywhere. No birth, No marriage and no death.
This would fit with the family rumour that Lucy was Jimmie's mother.
Can't see a way to find who his real father was though.
Don't know when or where he died as the last record I can find is 1921 aged 6. I would love to find anything on him after that date........
Thanks to you pointing me at Steyning, I found his birth and got the certificate from GRO. The birth date 25th July 1915 matches what is in my Grandmothers birth book. It gives father as James Webb, Mother Lucy Mary Webb mn Shufflebotham.
I believe this is Lucy Mary Webb, daughter of Alice, born 1898. I now think she was sent off to her elder sister Francis in Hove to have the illigitimate baby James and she lied about being married and having a maiden name.
My guess is the father was a lad called James something or other and he was a driver in the South Lancashire regiment (as the birth certificate claims) he was not present when James (Jimmie) was registered.
I have trawled through all the sites I belong to and cannot find a Lucy Mary Shufflebotham anywhere. No birth, No marriage and no death.
This would fit with the family rumour that Lucy was Jimmie's mother.
Can't see a way to find who his real father was though.
Don't know when or where he died as the last record I can find is 1921 aged 6. I would love to find anything on him after that date........
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Kent / Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« on: Friday 26 April 24 13:02 BST (UK) »
Thank you Debra, I've now located this on the GRO and have ordered a certificate. Hopefully that will either eliminate or confirm it's the correct Jimmie Webb.
Thank you also Lizzie for all your help and suggestions. Not sure The Jim A Andrews is the right one as the 1921 census states he was born in Hove, not Marylebone, but I guess the census details aren't always accurate......
Thank you also Lizzie for all your help and suggestions. Not sure The Jim A Andrews is the right one as the 1921 census states he was born in Hove, not Marylebone, but I guess the census details aren't always accurate......
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Kent / Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« on: Thursday 25 April 24 23:19 BST (UK) »
Yes, I agree, a lot can happen in 10 years and as you say there is no record of him between 1871 and 1881. It's very frustrating, but guess I'm going to have to accept that they probably never actually married.
Here's another Webb anomaly that you might be able to help me solve;
Jimmie Webb born 25 July 1915 (according to my grandmother's birthday book). The only official record I have found of him is on the 1921 census living with my great grandmother, alice Elizabeth Webb in Tunbridge Wells. The census confirms his birth of 1915 and says he was born in Hove and that he was Alice's grandson.
The family rumour was he was the illigitimate son of one of Alice's daughters, but no-one knew for sure which one.
He was only ever known as Jimmie Webb and he and my dad were very close. Sadly none of the older members of the family are left to ask questions of, so he remains a mystery and another one of the ones I haven't managed to track down.
I found a Jim A Webb born 1915 in Marylebone MMN Webb on ancestry, but when I tried to obtain the birth certificate on the GRO I couldn't find the listing. It's very strange, as it was on the transcript, but there doesn't appear to be any record at the GRO.
If you can solve this I would be in awe!
Here's another Webb anomaly that you might be able to help me solve;
Jimmie Webb born 25 July 1915 (according to my grandmother's birthday book). The only official record I have found of him is on the 1921 census living with my great grandmother, alice Elizabeth Webb in Tunbridge Wells. The census confirms his birth of 1915 and says he was born in Hove and that he was Alice's grandson.
The family rumour was he was the illigitimate son of one of Alice's daughters, but no-one knew for sure which one.
He was only ever known as Jimmie Webb and he and my dad were very close. Sadly none of the older members of the family are left to ask questions of, so he remains a mystery and another one of the ones I haven't managed to track down.
I found a Jim A Webb born 1915 in Marylebone MMN Webb on ancestry, but when I tried to obtain the birth certificate on the GRO I couldn't find the listing. It's very strange, as it was on the transcript, but there doesn't appear to be any record at the GRO.
If you can solve this I would be in awe!
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Kent / Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« on: Thursday 25 April 24 15:09 BST (UK) »
From all the other info I've found so far on both Alice's and William's siblings, they would be unusual in their families not to have married, but I suppose it is possible. The other possibility is that Alice was previously married and widowed by the time she married William at the ago of 25. But again I haven't found any record of her marrying anyone else.
It's very frustrating!
It's very frustrating!