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Y'all,

Down the years, the DNA geographical depiction for me has oscillated wildly, it has to be said.   This has been very evident overseas; less evident for the UK.    One UK constant has been the absence of ‘Bedfordshire’ for my geographical coverage. 

I expected ‘lots’ of ‘Bedfordshire’ to show.

Stubbornly, the UK hot-spot area depicted for me refuses to go further south than a line from Nottingham across to The Wash.
   
My non-Carver mother is from East Riding, Yorkshire and the DNA-profiling for this side of the family ‘works’, in that a cousin who joined the pool unbeknownst to me, was accurately ‘pinged’ for me by Ancestry.com

I had thought all this indicated a likely break somewhere in my Carver lineage which contradicted the paper-based one for me – until recently.

Recently, I have been ‘pinged’ by Ancestry.com for people on the Carver side of my family tree and this DNA-based line links me back to Samuel Carver (1850-1902), my Great-Grandfather.

So, ‘confused of Bedfordshire’, I might well be termed.

Regards,
Neil (Easby)

PS: fyi: I am UK-based, although I was born in the States.  Until very recently, I was a dual UK-US citizen.

Hi All,

To cut a long story short, I am still around although puzzled as the 2020 posting to my original 2008 entry produced an e-mail notification for me but other postings made back in 2008 did not.   Oh hum.

The upshot is that all the subsequent postings are new to me.

The Ballarat Smith Carver and my own expanding collection of Carvers have yet to collide, so I suspect we are not connected.   [I have meantime traced a few other Carvers to Australia since 2008.]  A vague recollection I have is of coming across a collection of prominent Smith Carvers in the United States.

Thanks for the update.   Here's to the next twelve years.

Easby (Neil Carver)

Hello All,

On the case again.

I have a loose end in ELIZABETH CARVER bapt Dunton, Beds, 30 Mar 1746 [daughter of JOHN & MARY] and a possible lead.

Does 'the team' think/know the marriage of ELIZ CALVER to JOSEPH COLLOP, 18 Oct 1768, in Dunton, Beds is plausible for our Elizabeth?    She would have been abt 21.  If so, what happened next? 

The Carvers of Dunton habitually seem to have been Calvers during these years.


Regards,


Neil.

Hi,

Yes - I have William Arthur Carver, b Cockayne Hatley, 1867, as the eldest child of Jonah Carver (1844-1889) & Eliza Arnold (1848-1913) with James Carver (1806-1881) & Sophia (1813-1878) as grandparents.

Neil [Easby]

PS: [Was Sophia's surname ever established?  I seem to remember discussions on this.]

Arthur joined-up at Valcartier Camp, outside Quebec City, in September 1916 and sailed for Europe with the Canadian Expeditionary Force.  After a spell in England, he reached the front in France in March, 1917.   He survived the hostilities although was mustard gassed.  His discharge in 1919 back in Canada states that although his heart and lungs were normal, the gas exacerbated a previously existing eye condition.

Arthur married Alice Lee in 1920, going on to have two boys, Arthur Lloyd and Robert Vernon.  Whereas his sister remained within the Catholic church, Arthur and his new wife on marriage were Presbyterian.  The base for this strand of Carvers is most definitely St John, New Brunswick - going on to points further east in maritime Canada.   ‘Lloyd’ went on to become a Reverend and died as recently as 2014.  He is buried alongside his wife at Canning, Nova Scotia.  His brother, Robert, died in Sarnia, Ontario in 1998.  I think at the end of his life, Arthur went to live with Robert after his wife, Alice, died between 1953 and 1957, based on the evidence of ER returns.
   
On WW1 attestation papers, those Canadians enlisting had to give details of their parents.   This establishes beyond doubt that Arthur knew about his father, stating his name and that he was born in Leeds, as indeed he himself was.  As for his mother, Arthur left this section to be answered completely blank.  On one other document I have seen for Arthur, he also left this section blank.   His sister, Rose, however, did enter details for her mother [marriage document], where she states her name as what looks like ‘Kate Bowkes’.  I have seen the 1890 church marriage entry for William & Kate and it is most definitely ‘Burke’.

For most of Arthur's life, when given the opportunity to identify his middle name, he chooses not to do so.   It is then, somewhat of a relief, to see it restored on his Sarnia gravestone.

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William Arthur CARVER b: 17 Sep 1867 in Cockayne Hatley, BDF, d: 02 Oct 1902 in Leicester, LEI
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Kate BURKE b: 1869 in Ireland, m: 09 Nov 1890 in Hunslet, WRY, d: 17 Jul 1907 in Menston, WRY
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Arthur William CARVER b: 01 Mar 1894 in Hunslet, WRY, d: 17 Feb 1979 in Sarnia, ONT
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Alice LEE b: 1892 in Saint John, NB, m: 01 Oct 1920 in Saint John, NB
......3
Arthur Lloyd CARVER b: 13 Dec 1920 in Saint John, NB, d: 17 Feb 2014 in St Thomas, ONT
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Helena Alice BORDEN b: 1925 in Canning, NS, m: 23 May 1947 in Saint John, NB
.........4
Fred CARVER
.........4
Elizabeth Ann CARVER
.........4
Michael CARVER
.........4
Bryan CARVER
.........4
James CARVER
......3
Robert Vernon Joseph CARVER b: 1923, d: 1998 in Sarnia, ONT
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Mary Margaret Evangeline ARSENEAULT b: 1922 in Robertville, NB, m: 02 Mar 1946 in Saint John, NB, d: 04 Aug 2007 in Sarnia, ONT
.........4
Patrick Richard CARVER b: 17 Mar 1955 in Sarnia, ONT, d: 08 Nov 2011 in London, ONT
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Mary Jo [CARVER] m: 13 Sep 1980 in Ontario, CAN
............5
Sean CARVER
............5
Martin CARVER
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Andrea [CARVER]
............5
Patti-Jo CARVER
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Michael
............5
Christine CARVER
.........4
David Peter CARVER b: 21 Mar 1959 in Sarnia, ONT, d: 20 Dec 2002 in Sarnia, ONT
.........4
Angela CARVER
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Leonard VAUGHAN
............5
Jamie VAUGHAN
.........4
Robert CARVER
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Joan [CARVER] m: 03 Sep 1971 in Ontario, CAN
.........4
Joseph CARVER
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Jennette [CARVER]
.........4
Paul CARVER
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Grace [CARVER]
.........4
Ronald CARVER