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Occupation Interests / Re: cooper - is it a registered trade
« on: Saturday 04 June 11 00:58 BST (UK) »
Hi california dreamin,
Thanks for those suggestions - I'll start with the British Origins records, and then maybe the Southwark Archives. There might be some record there of Charles APPS , my ggg- grandfather, as he was supposedly from the London area, although I haven't actually been able to dredge up much info on him!
I have a record of him as a cooper in the 1841 census, living in Bermondsey with his wife & daughter. However he doesn't appear in the next census & is described as deceased on his daughter Annie's marriage cert in 1854. So far I have been unsuccessful in finding his death reg. He was an adult convert (after 1841 I think) to Catholicism, as I found a mention of him (online) in a magazine with the glorious title“THE BRITISH PROTESTANT OR, JOURNAL OF THE RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES OF THE REFORMATION” , in a report from Bermondsey -
"Charles Apps, a poor misguided man, was led astray by the Sisters of Mercy about two years ago, and the books and the kind attentions which they paid to him and his family had so won upon them that the whole family became strict Roman Catholics."
As his daughter Annie married James Hyde (also a cooper) in the Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Bermondsey I guess this is the same family. Apps is not a common name. As Holy Trinity Church was bombed during WW2 I think a lot of their records were lost, although a cousin did successfully get a copy of the parish record of Annie Apps & James Hydes' wedding, so I might contact the parish directly to see if there is a record of his death/burial.
I guess there were a huge number of companies that employed coopers at that time,especially in the Bermonsey/Rotherhithe area. I know the Customs Office had their own coopers as well, and wondered if James maybe had some connection with that work, as 2 of James & Annies' daughters went on to marry 2 sons of my gg grandfather Robert John PERCIVAL who was a Customs Officer (originally a waterman) living in Elephant Lane Rotherhithe. It may be worth an enquiry to the Customs Office to see if they have old records archived somewhere.
James Hyde & his brother John would appear to have done their apprenticeships (presumably with their father, as he was also a cooper on James' marriage certificate) in Cork, as they appear in Bermondsey in the 1851 census as j/man coopers (born in Ireland), so I'm wondering if there may have archives in Cork that have apprenticeship records. I think it may have been a family trade, perhaps tied up with licensed premises as there is a record of a James Hyde in the Post Office Directory for 1845, as a "cooper & huxter" living at 51 Dominick St. I don't have proof yet that this is the same family - something else to hunt down!
ramosa
Thanks for those suggestions - I'll start with the British Origins records, and then maybe the Southwark Archives. There might be some record there of Charles APPS , my ggg- grandfather, as he was supposedly from the London area, although I haven't actually been able to dredge up much info on him!
I have a record of him as a cooper in the 1841 census, living in Bermondsey with his wife & daughter. However he doesn't appear in the next census & is described as deceased on his daughter Annie's marriage cert in 1854. So far I have been unsuccessful in finding his death reg. He was an adult convert (after 1841 I think) to Catholicism, as I found a mention of him (online) in a magazine with the glorious title“THE BRITISH PROTESTANT OR, JOURNAL OF THE RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES OF THE REFORMATION” , in a report from Bermondsey -
"Charles Apps, a poor misguided man, was led astray by the Sisters of Mercy about two years ago, and the books and the kind attentions which they paid to him and his family had so won upon them that the whole family became strict Roman Catholics."
As his daughter Annie married James Hyde (also a cooper) in the Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Bermondsey I guess this is the same family. Apps is not a common name. As Holy Trinity Church was bombed during WW2 I think a lot of their records were lost, although a cousin did successfully get a copy of the parish record of Annie Apps & James Hydes' wedding, so I might contact the parish directly to see if there is a record of his death/burial.
I guess there were a huge number of companies that employed coopers at that time,especially in the Bermonsey/Rotherhithe area. I know the Customs Office had their own coopers as well, and wondered if James maybe had some connection with that work, as 2 of James & Annies' daughters went on to marry 2 sons of my gg grandfather Robert John PERCIVAL who was a Customs Officer (originally a waterman) living in Elephant Lane Rotherhithe. It may be worth an enquiry to the Customs Office to see if they have old records archived somewhere.
James Hyde & his brother John would appear to have done their apprenticeships (presumably with their father, as he was also a cooper on James' marriage certificate) in Cork, as they appear in Bermondsey in the 1851 census as j/man coopers (born in Ireland), so I'm wondering if there may have archives in Cork that have apprenticeship records. I think it may have been a family trade, perhaps tied up with licensed premises as there is a record of a James Hyde in the Post Office Directory for 1845, as a "cooper & huxter" living at 51 Dominick St. I don't have proof yet that this is the same family - something else to hunt down!
ramosa