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Graveyards and Gravestones / Re: How can I locate a grave in Istanbul, Turkey?
« on: Thursday 09 November 23 07:50 GMT (UK)  »
The Italian Consulate of Istanbul might have death registers for the Ottoman era?  Especially for notable families, which the Madellas and the Marcopoli were.  They were related through dynastic marriages to many of the old bourgeois Italian Levantine families such as the D'Andria, the Corpi, the Justiniani, the Castelli, as well as to French Levantines:  Pech, Lapierre, Lahaille, etc. 

According to one academic source, there were around 14,000 Italians living in Istanbul in 1906, but only about 8,000 of them were officially registered with the consulate. 
http://www.levantineheritage.com/pdf/The-Italians-of-Istanbul-between-1873-1910-and-their-properties-Zeynep-Cebeci-Suvari.pdf 

I would think Tomaso Luigi Madella was registered because he was a medical doctor attached to the Ottoman army. 

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Graveyards and Gravestones / Re: How can I locate a grave in Istanbul, Turkey?
« on: Thursday 09 November 23 07:14 GMT (UK)  »
There's no immediate connection with the Madella family of Constantinople and Dimitri's family on the 2mi3 online museum.  But I have PMd him and now waiting for a reply. 

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Graveyards and Gravestones / Re: How can I locate a grave in Istanbul, Turkey?
« on: Wednesday 08 November 23 22:05 GMT (UK)  »
Oooooh, thanks Erato.  Dimitri has got quite a lot on his site.  I'll check it out. 

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Graveyards and Gravestones / How can I locate a grave in Istanbul, Turkey?
« on: Wednesday 08 November 23 20:37 GMT (UK)  »
I know the name of the cemetery -- Feriköy Latin Catholic Cemetery, also called Pangaltı Fransız Latin Katolik Mezarlığı in Turkish -- and I know the name of the person I think might be buried there, but I don't know his year of death, the plot number, or even if he's buried there at all.  Year of death could be any time after 1860 and no later than 1923.  I have checked FindAGrave, nothing came up. 

His name is TOMASO LUIGI MADELLA, alternately spelled TOMMASO, and sometimes given with the English version of his name, THOMAS LOUIS MADELLA or TOMAS LOUIS MADELLA. 

I'm 90% certain he died in Constantinople.  He was Italian, baptised as a baby in Constantinople, in the Catholic Church of SS. Peter & Paul, so he has got to be in the Catholic cemetery.  There might be lots of other Madellas in the same cemetery.  Tomaso may be in the same grave as other family members.  He had 11 siblings, all of whom died in Constantinople between 1834 and 1908.  His parents also died in Constantinople and both were Catholics. 

His father was Domenico MADELLA, born in Mantua, Italy circa 1783, died 18th Feb 1853, in Constantinople, aged about 70.  Ref.  Old Parish Death Registers of Constantinople, Church of St. Mary Draperis, Book no. 6.  His mother was Anna MARCOPOLI, baptised 7 Aug 1791 Constantinople, died 6 Jan 1861 Constantinople, aged 69.  Old Parish Death Registers Catholic Church of St. Anthony of Padua, Book no. 44/491 and Church of St. Mary Draperis. 

Short of getting on a plane to Istanbul and wandering around the cemetery, how can I find Tomaso?

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Europe / Re: Birth in Turkey or Yannina (Ioannina) Greece
« on: Wednesday 08 November 23 20:01 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Malcolm33 on Sunday 20 January 19 03:16 GMT (UK)

     The Zaccaria family - Zacharie when they turned to French - remained on Chios, but one son of Benedetto's was decapitated by the Turks in Izmir in 1345."

@ Malcom again, this tree might be relevant to you:

https://gw.geneanet.org/marmara2?lang=en&pz=mathilde&nz=d+andria&p=lydia&n=zacharie

I was trying to find a common link with my tree but haven't got that far yet. 



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Europe / Re: Birth in Turkey or Yannina (Ioannina) Greece
« on: Wednesday 08 November 23 19:51 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Malcolm33 on Sunday 20 January 19 03:16 GMT (UK)
   
     Please let me know if anyone would like to know more about Levantine families and life.

      Malcolm


Hi Malcom, I have recently discovered that I have Levantine roots too.  Namely in 18th and 19th Century Constantinople and earlier on the island of Chios.  Any tips on how to go about finding OPRs in Constantinople?  I mean pre-the establishment of the modern Republic of Turkey in 1923.  Online resources seem to be far and few between. 

I have already seen http://www.levantineheritage.com/ and it is indeed a wonderful website for general history, photos and personal recollections.  https://gw.geneanet.org/ also has an extensive and labyrinthine network of interconnecting family trees. The latter has been very useful to me. 

But now I need official records of births, marriages & deaths for Constantinople in the 1800s. ???

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Other Countries / Re: Looking for birth/death details for Vonduky in Constantinople c 1890-1925
« on: Wednesday 08 November 23 19:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Calmar,

I realise it's been a very long time since you posted your query, so you might have already found the answer yourself.  I found the marriage record for your great uncle and aunt, which you probably already have:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68FL-YM6K

I suspect that the lady's name was misspelled or phonetically spelled. ASPACIA (prounounced ASPASIA) VOUNDOUKI is more likely, both of which are Greek names.  Or ASPASIA VON DUKI, which suggests German and Greek heritage. 

There was an ancient Byzantine noble family, the House of Dukas, with a lineage going back to the 11th century, who might have had late 19th/early 20th century descendents in Constantinople.  Dukas would be the male form of the name in Greek, but a female might take Duki.  'Von' in German could also be a noble family, or it can simply mean 'from Dukis' i.e. daughter of Dukis.

There is a death record for one Aspacia Woodruff in London, aged 60, but she died in 1962.  After your great uncle remarried. 

"England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVCJ-BKXK : 1 November 2021), Aspacia Woodruff, 1962.

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Other Countries / Re: Looking for OPR Birth & Baptism in Constantinople (Istanbul) 1800s
« on: Monday 06 November 23 08:26 GMT (UK)  »
I have received documentary evidence of Tomaso Madella's baptismal register, in 1823.  So this question has been resolved. 

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Other Countries / Looking for OPR Birth & Baptism in Constantinople (Istanbul) 1800s
« on: Sunday 05 November 23 06:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

I'm looking to verify an Old Parish Register for a Birth & Baptism at the Catholic Church of St. Peter & St. Paul in Constantinople (Istanbul), Turkey circa 1813 to 1823 (+/- 1 year).

I want document confirmation of the birth and baptism of Tomaso Louis MADELLA (sometimes spelled Tommaso), an Italian subject, son of Domenico MADELLA and Anna MARCOPOLI, both Italian, who were married in the same church on 1st November 1814. 

I have one source saying Tomaso was born and baptised in 1823, and another source saying it was 1813, which would make the birth illegitimate, so it's quite important to get the year right. 

How can I clear this up?  Are there any online resources for Catholic OPRs in Istanbul?  I found the address & tel. no. for the parish in question but no email address:  Church of SS. Peter and Paul,  Galata Kulesi Sok. (also written as Kuledibi) 44 /Istanbul, Turkey.  Tel. +90 212 249 23 85
Is there anyone on RootsChat living in Istanbul who could call the Parish Priest for me? They are probably a bit busy today, being a Sunday. 

Tomaso Louis Madella was one of 12 children.  More info here:  https://gw.geneanet.org/marmara2?lang=en&pz=mathilde&nz=d+andria&p=thomas+louis+dr&n=madella

On that record, his birth is given as 5th November, 1823 at SS. Peter & Paul, Constantinople -- BOOK 2/1 r (Image no. _8474).  Baptism in the same parish 28th November 1823 with Godfather Dr. Louis Bichi and Godmother Maria Riccio -- same book ref. no. and image no.  Where can I find those images and parish registers online? 

Coincidentally, Tomaso's birthday is today.  He was my GG grandfather. Happy Birthday, GG Grandad! :)

Many thanks in advance for any help.
Fide




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