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Fermanagh / Re: meehan family
« on: Monday 23 June 14 04:49 BST (UK)  »
Don't know if it's of any help as i've not researched this branch of tree yet. I have a Mary Jane Meehan b.1860 father John Meehan (Labourer) mother unknown. Mary Jane Meehan married Thomas Slevin i believe in Tempo,Co.Fermanagh. They had 9 children. Mary Jane died 1909 in Co.Fermanagh. 1st son Patrick moved to Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1901. Remainder of children as far as i have assertained through census' remained in Co.Fermanagh. That's as much as i know about Meehan line.
As this line has recently been opened again,  it might be worthwhile pointing out that two early sources of information.  Most would recognise the GRIFFITHS VALUATIONS.  There are also partial records for an 1821 FERMANAGH Census.   search these phrases.

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Suffolk / Re: eliza burwood nee miller
« on: Wednesday 12 February 14 04:10 GMT (UK)  »
Stella,
There is a Burwood website online now, ( sponsored probably by Alex Burwood )  Search Burwood Orford Suffolk
However, the information you wanted is now available also at

http://genforum.genealogy.com/lucock/messages/9.html

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: SA Birthplace Lookup
« on: Saturday 16 November 13 23:31 GMT (UK)  »
John,
Just in case Ding cannot help you, I have been advised of this request and provide the following.
"BELL","Norman Louis","B","M","Jno","Emilly BERTILL",,"","NATK","",1897,"21522"
Norman Louis Bell was born to Jno Bell and his wife, Emily nee Bertill at Natimuk in 1897, late in that year.
Cannot find a marriage for John Bell or Emily Bertill in either Victoria or South Australia.
Bell Norman Lewis : SERN 6957 : POB Adelaide SA : POE Cootamundra NSW : NOK M Bell Emily
This is Norman's enlistment, made at Cootamundra in NSW.
His mother was living in Union St, Richmond in 1916, moved to 305 Burnley Street and then, apparently, to Gore Street in Hawthorn, while the record was current. ( I guess you may know this)
Sorry, I have had to modify my information.  This sounds more logical also.
"BELL","Jno Edwd","B","M","Jno","Emily NICHOLSON",,"","KANIVA","",1889,"32336"
"BELL","Mertle Ivy","B","F","Jno","Emily NICHOLSON",,"","MT ARAPILES","",1894,"5608"
If you would like to discuss this further, I should save space ( contact (*) ) ===== Ron 

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: SA Birthplace Lookup
« on: Wednesday 09 October 13 07:20 BST (UK)  »
This request is four years old.  If you need the Victorian follow-up details ( including Mary Ann Gurnell's death ), they are available.

Not sure if you are Australian or British.

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Australia / Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« on: Wednesday 12 June 13 05:43 BST (UK)  »
re Nathaniel Alward
Please look at 1880 American Census.  Nathaniel P Alward born NY aged 49, living with wife, Maria, born Ireland 1836, living Vernon, Blue Earth, Minnesotta, with nine children.  First two born Australia.  Arrived Minnesotta by birth of third child in 1862.   No clear reference to Victoria.

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Australia / Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« on: Wednesday 12 June 13 02:53 BST (UK)  »
I would like to record my debt to all of the sites you have cited.  However, you point to the greatest problem of the present state of affairs.  The task is so gigantic that it is unfinished and ongoing and there is the assumption that present, completed records are complete. I can only deal with my experience, and I have come across dozens of records ( births deaths and marriages ), where records are not there and the reason I have been given is that "many records were lost" or, in the case of some Catholic records, the members of the Church " were too poor".  Not sure that I believe this completely, but there is no doubt that records were lost, as Church officials travelled to Melbourne and experienced either extremely poor weather conditions or were waylaid. In some cases, people were located in such remote parts of this State, that official registration may not have been available, and religious representation may not have been regularly present.

As far as the creation of Victoria was concerned, I will let you decide which date you want to choose :
In 1850 the United Kingdom Parliament passed An Act for the better Government of Her Majesty's Australian Colonies. It allowed South Australia, Tasmania and Victoria to separate from New South Wales.
Under the new law, Victoria separated on 1 July 1851
The first Legislative Council met on 11 November 1851.
In 1854 the Council passed a bill setting up Victoria's Constitution,
The bill needed Queen Victoria's assent to become law. She assented to it on 16 July 1855. The changes took effect from 23 November 1855, the start of responsible self-government in Victoria.
http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/publications/fact-sheets/2333-fact-sheet-i1-victorias-parliamentary-history
Thanks for your concern.

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Australia / Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« on: Tuesday 11 June 13 12:04 BST (UK)  »
Cando,
My apologies for such a quick second response.  I wasn’t going to do any more, as I wanted to get back to my own research. However, I had to solve a problem. 
Death of
 EVANS    Maria   ( parents Keating Wm Dalymple&   Anna HODGES )  aged 69    Rton    1909  12994
However, this Maria Keating may not be your lister’s target either:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dicummings/KeatingWilliamD.htm
8. Maria KEATING, baptised 9.11.1839 to Wm Dalrymple and Hannah Keating at Longford (T.1179)
She married John Evans and had a son Stanley Dalrymple EVANS.
Maria EVANS (nee Keating) died in 1909 aged 68 at Woodend

  this next item may suggest another difficulty for your lister :

BYRNE   Maria Keating    Death    ( Keating Pat   Louisa MERCER )   49   Fitz Sth    1890  ( 1908 )

This looks like the other Maria Keating  ;  area could be Collingwood ?? BUT age 49 is wrong, suggesting Maria would have been John’s younger, not older sister   OR Age is wrong.

If your lister’s Maria Keating married Nathaniel Alward somehow, she could not have been on the Balnaguith.
She may have entered Victoria as Mary Keating.

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Australia / Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« on: Tuesday 11 June 13 11:08 BST (UK)  »
Cando, many of the assumptions in my earlier reply were actually conclusions. The evidence was not provided.  I will accept the assumption that Nathaniel Alward being on the Balnaguith was  an assumption. How could an American get to Melbourne in 1855?  Via NSW, perhaps.  He could also be one of the possibly thousands of migrants, who arrived having paid their own fares prior to 1852.  Victoria has Assisted Migration lists for 1839 to 1871, (Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871 ) and Unassisted migrants from 1852. Victoria was established as a self-governing colony in 1850.   NSW has Assisted migration lists to Port Phillip (Port Phillip, 1839-51 ). However, free settlers were not recorded, or records are not available, without intensive searching of ships’  lists.    Many  American “49ers” arrived in NSW after Hargreaves’ supposed finds, and many people were attracted south by Victoria’s finds, after October, 1851. 
I made the assumption, from the second response, that the lister knew the marriage involved a Nathaniel. ( I note he was in trouble for a shooting incident in 1854 )
Re The Balnaguith and not arriving in Melbourne.  Apparently it was a possibility, according to the following research, but it specifies 1856 and 1857 only.
http://members.optusnet.com.au/shanleyhistory/migration.htm
basically advises that four ships, including Balnaguith,  brought immigrants from Plymouth to Portland Vic.  It also goes on to suggest that on-travelling migrants may have been transported ( 15 Kms ) to Port Fairy, where they were put aboard a coastal trader. There were 231 migrants on the Balnaguith.  I know of three. The Keatings,  Samuel Haslett, who left the ship to work on a property 40 or so kilometres north, near Hamilton, AND the following ......
http://eucalypt.com/Field/persons/person1262.html
About Whelan, Michael Luke
Emigration: 1855-07-14 on board Balnaguith, from Plymouth to Portland 29/10/1855. Book 12 Pg 156
Emigrated to Melbourne (Australia) from Ireland in October 1855 on a ship called Balnaguith (sponsored to work for Mr Winter of Murrindal and married Elizabeth Cox. Elizabeth was the daughter of the Cox family of Mooney Ponds who did not approve of Michael and disowned Elizabeth. Michael and Elizabeth went to live and raise their family (12-16 children) in Buchan, East Gippsland.
However, Murrundal is actually located north of Buchan, 300 kms east of Melbourne and 600 kms from Portland and these were sponsored migrants, with how much money in their pockets??
The Balnaguith was a specially built ship, launched in 1852, designed for passenger travel,  However, when ships got to Australia, how many people were returning to England?  They had to become merchant ships and seek trade goods. It could easily ( despite the prevailing winds, and the Balnaguith was a cutter ) have travelled to Melbourne and returned to Portland to collect trade goods at Portland ( Victoria’s earliest settlement = 1834 )
Is it logical to assume that Nathaniel Alward was a mariner?  No!  However, if it wasn’t for two wayward mariners, who entered Victoria, or Adelaide, in 1854 and 1855, this researcher would not be helping you.  Neither of my great grandfathers exist in records.  My Irish grandfather was found, because he was one of 12 mariners, who jumped ship in Adelaide,  in September, 1855, and spent two months in gaol there, before marrying a 19 year old, who was on his ship. My English ggf’s entry was only found in a hospital record from 1877, although his marriage advised he was here in 1857.
Mary Keatings, the marriages:
"KEATING","Maria","M","TRAVERS","Michael","","F","","",1852,"1324","ROMAN CATHOLIC","ST FRANCIS, MELBOURNE","709"
"KEATING","Maria","M","ALWARD","Nathaniel","","F","","",1855,"2524","","",""
"KEATING","Maria","M","EVANS","John","","F","","",1862,"296","","","" 3 children born at Wood(end?)
"KEATING","Maria","M","BYRNE","Patrick Hugh","","F","","",1863,"3768","","","" ( 9 children born in Collingwood -- became a working class area, just 3 kms north east of Melbourne city.

In my first reply, I referred to the likelihood of John Evans being the marriage your lster wanted, and suggested that this was the most likely, if   they had been sposored “ by an uncle”.

Your correspondent might be interested in the below request, unless it is her own listing.
http://boards.ancestry.com.au/surnames.alward/204/mb.ashx 
Looking for descendants of Nathaniel Alward (1830 - 1908) and Maria Keating (1836 - 1915).They lived in Garden City and Vernon Center Minnesota. They had 9 children:
Marie Louise (1857 Australia) Bellen (1959 Australia), Anne (Libby) (1861 MN);Nathaniel (1863 MN); Sophia (1866 MN); Bertha (1868 MN); Grace (1871, MN); Mabel Constance (1871 MN) and Jessie 1879 MN).
Maria Keating was my grandfather's aunt.


May I point out that this request suggests that this Maria Keating was not the one on the Balnaguith, which you have already suggested.  1836 was John Keating’s birth date -   19 in 1855. Maria was 3 years older.

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Australia / Re: Look up assisted passenger list Victoria 1855
« on: Monday 10 June 13 12:00 BST (UK)  »
I lost a very long reply. The "f" refers to Maria's sex. The Balnaguith did arrive at Portland, but probably came on to Melbourne.  Nathaniel Alward does not appear on entry lists. There was an Ann Alward, who arrived in Victoria as an assisted migrant in 1841. Nathaniel may have been a mariner on the Balnaguih. This might explain the 1855 marriage.
There were no children recorded for this marriage in Victoria.
ALWARD   EDWD   arrived Melbourne on the ship YOUNG AMERICA   in JUL   1860   age 20
John Keating's death does not appear to be in Victorian records??
Ron

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