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The Lighter Side / Re: Impossible births
« on: Friday 27 October 23 00:25 BST (UK) »
I think a big part of the problem here is a lot of casual 'genealogists' view family trees as a kind of story, rather than actual history.
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England / Re: James Anderson, b. 1846 or 1847, Bath?
« on: Thursday 26 October 23 16:19 BST (UK) »The only James LEE born in Somerset around that time with a father William that I can find, was baptised at Bridgwater in May 1848 along with his twin Emily. Parents were William LEE and Mary Ann DYER.
LEE, JAMES MURRY mmn DYER
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in BRIDGWATER UNION Volume 10 Page 369
William was a mariner and died in Bridgwater in 1858.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/238666947/william-lee
This James was with his parents in Bridgwater in 1851 and his mother in Bridgwater in 1861. Can't find him after that.
Be interesting to see what William's occupation was on the James LEE/Mary Ann COE marriage in 1874.
Ian C
It is most interesting that you should mention that, the potential father of James Anderson being a mariner, as the 'deaths at sea' records list Mary Ann's deceased former husband (who was called Edward Coe) as a mariner.
It's possible that James may have had such a background too.
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England / Re: James Anderson, b. 1846 or 1847, Bath?
« on: Thursday 26 October 23 16:13 BST (UK) »Registration for the children of James Lee aka Anderson and Mary Ann formerly Coe late Bailey.
James LEE reg 1876 mmn Bailey reg Sunderland (as previously posted by Daisypetal)
George Edward LEE mmn Bailey reg Easington 1881 (ref: 1881 census)
Alfred ANDERSON mmn Bailey reg Sunderland 1883
So father James changed his name after 1881 and before 1883
Perhaps check the papers and see if something happened to make him do this.
Minor nitpick, George Edward Anderson was not registered as 'LEE'. He was born in 1879 in Sunderland and registered as 'HENDERSON', presumably a transcription error for ANDERSON.
D Quarter 1879:
HENDERSON, George Edward - reg Sunderland - mmn BAILEY
It's far more consistent with census records.
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England / James Anderson, b. 1846 or 1847, Bath?
« on: Wednesday 25 October 23 16:50 BST (UK) »
I've got a James Anderson, who was apparently born in 1846 or 1847 in Bath, but I can't find any possible birth registration, nor any likely record of him before 1881.
The first I have of him is from the 1881 Census for Sunderland. He's listed as living at 45 Hendon Street in Sunderland, birth year estimated 'about 1850' (Ancestry), and apparently married to Mary Ann Anderson (b. 1847).
The couple had at least 2 children, Edward (b. December 1879), Alfred (b. May 1883). Both born in Sunderland. Mary Ann's maiden name was BAILEY.
A third child James Anderson is also listed, 5 years old, in 1881. I can't find a birth record for him either, and he seems to be limited to that census.
Mary Ann, by the way, was married to an Edward COE from Essex (who died in 1873), he fathered at least 3 children to her, Isabella Ann (b. 1864), Mary Ann (b. 1867) and Georgeine (b. 1872). They are listed as step children of James in 1881.
James appears once again in the 1891 census, 'aged 44', husband of Mary Ann, and the father of Edward and Alford (sic). No other occupants. James is recorded as having died in 1895.
I have no reason to suspect James Anderson ever used any other name, but that's a possibility worth not losing sight of entirely.
The first I have of him is from the 1881 Census for Sunderland. He's listed as living at 45 Hendon Street in Sunderland, birth year estimated 'about 1850' (Ancestry), and apparently married to Mary Ann Anderson (b. 1847).
The couple had at least 2 children, Edward (b. December 1879), Alfred (b. May 1883). Both born in Sunderland. Mary Ann's maiden name was BAILEY.
A third child James Anderson is also listed, 5 years old, in 1881. I can't find a birth record for him either, and he seems to be limited to that census.
Mary Ann, by the way, was married to an Edward COE from Essex (who died in 1873), he fathered at least 3 children to her, Isabella Ann (b. 1864), Mary Ann (b. 1867) and Georgeine (b. 1872). They are listed as step children of James in 1881.
James appears once again in the 1891 census, 'aged 44', husband of Mary Ann, and the father of Edward and Alford (sic). No other occupants. James is recorded as having died in 1895.
I have no reason to suspect James Anderson ever used any other name, but that's a possibility worth not losing sight of entirely.
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The Lighter Side / Re: Impossible births
« on: Tuesday 11 July 23 11:18 BST (UK) »
How about someone listing a woman born in Bedfordshire in 1800 as having 3 different baptisms, 2 in Sussex, 1 in Sheffield (!), in 1798 and 1799 before they were even born!
God, they were quick!
God, they were quick!
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The Lighter Side / Re: Ancestors who never actually married.
« on: Saturday 01 July 23 20:05 BST (UK) »
My GGG-grandmother (IIRC) was called Isabella Lee, she married a Robert Bramham in Pontefract about 1870.
She was from Edinburgh around 1845, and her dad was a James Tod (who I otherwise have no record of). RC found an Isabella Tod, aged 5 in 1851, in Leith at the same household as her mother, Isabella Lees.
In view of the apparently fluid names, and there being no sign of James Tod on the census, I can only assume that Isabella born 1845 in Edinburgh was illegitimate.
She was from Edinburgh around 1845, and her dad was a James Tod (who I otherwise have no record of). RC found an Isabella Tod, aged 5 in 1851, in Leith at the same household as her mother, Isabella Lees.
In view of the apparently fluid names, and there being no sign of James Tod on the census, I can only assume that Isabella born 1845 in Edinburgh was illegitimate.
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Lancashire / Re: John Conway (b. 1849) in Manchester on 1851 Census?
« on: Saturday 01 July 23 15:34 BST (UK) »QuoteI can't find John or Catherine on 1881, but I have no record of either of them dying
Where are they living in 1871?
Have you found all the children in 1881 to see if either is living with them.
In 1871, the couple are at 5 Spring Garden Lane, Trinity Parish, Sunderland. By that point, only Catherine, 15, is still living with the parents.
Son John (b. 1849, Manchester) married a Mary McDonald in 1868, and the couple appear consistently on the censuses from 1871 to at least 1891.
Daughter Catherine (b. 1843, Preston) married a Smith Brown of Newcastle in 1861, and she's on the census in 1881 at Bishopwearmouth as Catheran (sic) Brown, wife of Smith Brown.
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Lancashire / Re: John Conway (b. 1849) in Manchester on 1851 Census?
« on: Saturday 01 July 23 12:52 BST (UK) »Some of the Manchester 1851 was destroyed in a flood
Scroll down to 2219
www.rootschat.com/links/01sfq/
Can't say I knew that. The census records being water damaged would definitely explain why I'm not finding this family in 1851
Thanks for the information.
I can't find John or Catherine on 1881, but I have no record of either of them dying
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Lancashire / John Conway (b. 1849) in Manchester on 1851 Census?
« on: Saturday 01 July 23 10:51 BST (UK) »
Hi, I have a family recorded as living at the (now defunct) address of 11 Vine Street, Sunderland, Co Durham. The second-eldest child listed, John Conway b. 1849, is an ancestor. The parents were born in Ireland, but the children mainly in Lancashire. They are as follows:
John Conway, 56, Ireland
Catherine Conway, 40, Ireland
Catherine Conway, 17, Preston, Lancs
John Conway, 11, Manchester, Lancs
Mary A Conway, 9, Manchester, Lancs
Jane Conway, 5, Sunderland, Durham
On the GRO, I have been able to find Catherine's birth in Preston in 1843, and John and Mary A's birth in Manchester in 1849 and 1852 respectively (mmn. Kelly). However, I cannot locate a family, presumably in Manchester at the time, on the 1851 Census.
Any help here would be most welcome
John Conway, 56, Ireland
Catherine Conway, 40, Ireland
Catherine Conway, 17, Preston, Lancs
John Conway, 11, Manchester, Lancs
Mary A Conway, 9, Manchester, Lancs
Jane Conway, 5, Sunderland, Durham
On the GRO, I have been able to find Catherine's birth in Preston in 1843, and John and Mary A's birth in Manchester in 1849 and 1852 respectively (mmn. Kelly). However, I cannot locate a family, presumably in Manchester at the time, on the 1851 Census.
Any help here would be most welcome