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A Catherine Glancy was born to Hugh and Alice on 19th August 1835 and a Catherine Glancy married a Francis Casey on 21st Feb 1860 in Cloone parish and they had at least 10 children.  I do not know if both Catherines were the same person but it would be worth checking the Irish civil records for the bride’s father’s name, just to see.  Of course even if her father was Hugh that would not be evidence that she is the same woman but it would make it more than just a possibility.

I can see no evidence for Margaret (Tara’s post) being any connection to your family.  That woman’s father was Hugh but there could have been quite a few Hughs in Leitrim at that time.

As to Alice; there was an Alice Glancy who married a James McKiernan in Cloone in January 1871.  Again you would have to check for the bride’s name to see if this might have been your Alice.  This family does not appear in Cloone parish after this time.

I cannot find a record of a marriage for Bridget in Cloone.

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Leitrim / Re: Reynolds of Cloone, Leitrim area
« on: Wednesday 05 February 14 01:02 GMT (UK)  »
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Gortletteragh R.c. parish -which covers the civil parish of Cloone Leitrim

Not quite right; Gortletteragh does not cover Cloone civil parish it is a part of that civil Parish along with the RC parishes of Cloone and Aughavas.

And as for John Reynolds of Cloone I have transcribed the baptismal records of Cloone RC parish and although there quite a lot of men named John Reynolds, there were none baptised in 1849.  That sounds to me as though the John Reynolds born at Gortletteragh may be the one the OP is looking for.

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Drumcauskeen (various spellings) was an old townland which disappeared (officially) in the 1830s when the Ornance Survey drew up the new map of Ireland.  It became part of Killyveha townland of Cloone parish.  Killyveha is the southermost townland of Cloone parish.

The townland was the standard method of land division in Ireland as it still is today.

See here for more information:
http://www.aughavascloone.ie/content.aspx?par=8&ContentId=30

Ann was one of three daughters recorded to John and Catherine.

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Leitrim / Re: Mitchell Family of Cloone pre 1926 -- Help
« on: Friday 22 March 13 00:21 GMT (UK)  »
Since I last posted in Feb 2009 I have come across some more of these families.

Owen Mitchell married Mary Kiernan or McKiernan

Children baptised at Killyfea
Eleanor bap. 17th Mar 1828
Hugh bap 10th Feb 1830
Francis bap. 6th Feb 1839
John bap. 14th Jan 1843
Bridget bap. 26th Feb 1844

There is no sign or Pat and William but there are several omissions from the records.

William married Margaret Rourke of Corroneary |
baptisms in parish records
Mary 14th Jul 1872
Elleanor 12th Dec 1875
Eugene 21st Feb 1877
Margaret 4th July 1878 - 1938
Ellen 19th May 1881
Catherine 16th Nov 1882
Rose 25th Feb 1884
Alice 24th Jan 1885 - 1984
John 3rd Jun 1887

not yet seen
 Bridget, Theresa, Anne,

Family search gives Anne at 2nd Jul 1874 and Bridget on 15th Feb 1880, neither appear in the Cloone parish records.

Family Search gives 17th Sep 1872 for Mary and 15th Oct 1878 for Margaret.  If these are in any way valid they must be the date when they were entered in the Civil Registration.

I have not seen any sign of Theresa.


Jim

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Leitrim / Re: Mitchell Family of Cloone pre 1926 -- Help
« on: Friday 22 March 13 00:19 GMT (UK)  »
A repost of my 2009 posting for Robert Bartlett.  - you said you did not know the other birth dates

Pat Mitchell of Drumdoo m Bridget Gaffney 21st Jan 1856 at Cloone

Mary baptised 6th Feb 1857 at Drumdoo
Eugene (Owen/Hugh) baptised 25th Nov 1858 at Drumdoo
Michael baptised 3rd Aug 1860 at Drumdoo
Pat baptised 2nd Aug 1862 at Drumdoo

(Drumdoo is a part of the townland of Bellakiltyfea (also known as Kiltyfea)

Laurence Gaffney may be the man born in Cornulla on 26th Nov 1875 - the name is unclear. That person is the son of Tom Gaffney and Catherine Cannon.

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Leitrim / Re: Parish: Cloone, Leitrim. McHugh/MacArtan
« on: Saturday 05 January 13 13:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Frank
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family.

I did get your message but unfortunately I have been really busy December and into January and have been unable to get down to things.  I do hope to be less burdened later in January and may be able to get to it then.

Did you contact the Valuation Office?  I found the information from them was really useful - although as I said it did somewhat add to the confusion as well :(

Hope to get back to you soon

Jim

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Leitrim / Re: Parish: Cloone, Leitrim. McHugh/MacArtan
« on: Thursday 20 September 12 01:37 BST (UK)  »
I did see your message Frank but I have not had time to look further into it yet.  I have been trying to get my head around my father's Scottish ancestors before I go to Edinburgh tomorrow to do some research.

Two things for you however.

1: To contact rosiekass try clicking on her name at the left hand side of her post.  You will get her profile which will give you the option to send a personal message.

2: (and if you contact rosiekass can you give her this as well)
If you contact the Valuation Office in Dublin and give them a surname and townland (i.e. McHugh/Drumhallagh) you can obtain a list of who held land in the townland from c.1857 (Griffiths) up to the 20th century.  You used to, and probably still do, get a map as well.

Now these are just lists of people recorded at various times through the years - usually when land/leases changed hands - but it can give a very good idea of possible relationships. (In other words EVEN MORE information to confuse and yet delight)

I don't know the current cost but it was not excessive when I did it some years ago.  Probably no more than £40 sterling (I would hope!)

If you remind me in about 2 weeks (you can try the personal message thingie) I will send you details of all the McHugh records I have for Drimna and Drumhalla.

And in case you are wondering about my motives there is a faint possibility that I have a familial relationship with the Fitzpatricks at least. 

An Anne Fitzpatrick was baptised at Bellakiltyfea in 1843 - daughter to John Fitzpatrick and Ally Conlon.  John's farm was only a couple of hundered yards to the north east from the McHughs of both Drumna and Drumhalla.  Conlon is my grandmother's maiden name and her farm was a couple of hundred yards south east of the same McHughs!

Speak soon.

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Leitrim / Re: Parish: Cloone, Leitrim. McHugh/MacArtan
« on: Tuesday 11 September 12 20:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi Frank
I have a little info on your family but it doesn’t, quite, match your information.  The Cloone parish records show 4 children to Francis McHugh and Anne Fitzpatrick but all were baptised from Drumhalla, not Drimna; Drumhalla being the townland immediately to the south of Drimna.

Francis married Anne on 9th February 1869 and the witnesses were Eugene Shanley and Rose Conlon.  Unfortunately the marriage records at that time do not give the parents of the couple.  It may be worth getting a copy of the Civil Registration marriage certificate, which may give more information.

Their children:
Mary was baptised on 12th Nov 1869, sponsors John and Anne Fitzpatrick
Michael was baptised on 24th May 1872, sponsors Patrick McHugh and Rose (surname obscured)
Francis (1) was born on 22nd Nov 1873, sponsors Eugene McHugh and ? (name obscured)
Francis (2) was baptised on 13th April 1879, sponsors obscured but I believe the woman was a Fitzpatrick.


It could be that Anne Fitzpatrick was from Drumhalla as it was quite common for women to return to their parents home to give birth.  It imay also be relevant that the McCues who had land in Drumhalla lived in the very north of the townland, on land which adjoined the McHughs from Drimna who lived at the very south of that townland.


In Griffith’s Valuation, Michael McCue of Drumhallagh held around 40 acres.  He was married to a Mary Carroll and had at least 6 children between 1863 and 1872.  I cannot see any record of this marriage in the parish records of either Cloone or Aughavas.

In the Tithe Books of c.1833 another Michael McHugh held 6 acres of land in DRumhallagh.  He was married to Ann Shanley and they had at least 8 children between 1825 and 1843 (including Michael on 15th August 1829).  I cannot find any record of this marriage but it may have occurred before records began.  The Shanley connection I think definitely ties Francis in with the Drunhalla McHughs.

Jim


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