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Perthshire / Re: Can you look up Fowlis Wester MIs?
« on: Friday 19 January 18 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Hello Liz and Evelyn,
Thanks for the replies with the lineage information. It will take a little time to digest and process all of this info. The Marshalls seem to have been an adventurous lot, royal physician, emigrating to Australia, ending up in Brazil etc. Poor old Ann was recorded as a domestic servant on her marriage certificate. I shall have to look more closely at this family as they sound interesting.
1n 1999, I received a letter from a man in Doncaster whose mother was a ROY. He had traced his lineage back to James ROY possibly born in July 1767 in Crieff who married Elspeth PHILLIP. Their son James ROY, a mason, was born possibly in August 1797 in Forteviot. He married Mary SCOTT.
This James ROY had a natural son (ie illegitimate), James ROY, a farm labourer of Methven, born about 1834 to a Jane PROUDFOOT, of Methven. (Aargh, you see what I meant by all these James Roys!!)
One very interesting fact that derived from this letter was that he had a pedigree for the ROYs of Crieff, going back to John ROY, born 1675 in Crieff. He had received this pedigree from a man in Australia whose relative had researched the ROY family of Crieff. This relative was the then (1991) Bishop of Melbourne, who was at one time an Anglican clergyman who had unlimited access to the church records of Crieff.
From these records, the researcher found that the ROYs of Crieff (and almost certainly the ROYs of Methven) were descendants of a family of Flemish weavers brought to Strathearn (ie the area around Crieff and Methven) by the Earl of Perth sometime between 1611 and 1662. Several of these migrants changed their names to ROY because they came from the town of Roeulx, SW of Brussels. The earliest entries for the name ROY spelt it ROEY. (If the family reporting births, deaths and marriages were illiterate, the church official would enter the name as he heard it so Roeulx could sound the same as ROEY or ROY)
This gentleman could not link my specific ROYs into this pedigree but was very confident that my research in the future would establish the link as he was sure that the ROYs of Methven and the ROYs of Crieff are inter-related
So, Liz and Evelyn, it is possible that we are actually Belgian. I don't know about you but I feel a bit miffed about that. The romanticism of being related to Rob Roy has dissipated. I was always of the opinion that the Roy on Rob Roy was from the Gaelic word "red haired" and more likely. A further suggestion, although a bit tenuous, was that the name ROY was derived from the name FITZROI (illegitimate children of the King of France or members of the King's court) as a result of dalliances by Scotswomen whilst in exile from the home country. I think I would prefer that to the notion of being Belgian. I will keep my options open about the McGregor link though.
As usual, these correspondences usually throw up more questions than answers but that is the challenge of the hobby. It has no end. Thanks again for the contact and I look forward to keeping in touch, either to pick brains or supply any info I may have. Cheers for now.
Peter
PS Liz. I too was born and bred in Perth (1951-1969) until I went to uni and then into HM forces. I ended up in Norfolk. I too have links with Ruthven Avenue (a rough old area in its day)
Thanks for the replies with the lineage information. It will take a little time to digest and process all of this info. The Marshalls seem to have been an adventurous lot, royal physician, emigrating to Australia, ending up in Brazil etc. Poor old Ann was recorded as a domestic servant on her marriage certificate. I shall have to look more closely at this family as they sound interesting.
1n 1999, I received a letter from a man in Doncaster whose mother was a ROY. He had traced his lineage back to James ROY possibly born in July 1767 in Crieff who married Elspeth PHILLIP. Their son James ROY, a mason, was born possibly in August 1797 in Forteviot. He married Mary SCOTT.
This James ROY had a natural son (ie illegitimate), James ROY, a farm labourer of Methven, born about 1834 to a Jane PROUDFOOT, of Methven. (Aargh, you see what I meant by all these James Roys!!)
One very interesting fact that derived from this letter was that he had a pedigree for the ROYs of Crieff, going back to John ROY, born 1675 in Crieff. He had received this pedigree from a man in Australia whose relative had researched the ROY family of Crieff. This relative was the then (1991) Bishop of Melbourne, who was at one time an Anglican clergyman who had unlimited access to the church records of Crieff.
From these records, the researcher found that the ROYs of Crieff (and almost certainly the ROYs of Methven) were descendants of a family of Flemish weavers brought to Strathearn (ie the area around Crieff and Methven) by the Earl of Perth sometime between 1611 and 1662. Several of these migrants changed their names to ROY because they came from the town of Roeulx, SW of Brussels. The earliest entries for the name ROY spelt it ROEY. (If the family reporting births, deaths and marriages were illiterate, the church official would enter the name as he heard it so Roeulx could sound the same as ROEY or ROY)
This gentleman could not link my specific ROYs into this pedigree but was very confident that my research in the future would establish the link as he was sure that the ROYs of Methven and the ROYs of Crieff are inter-related
So, Liz and Evelyn, it is possible that we are actually Belgian. I don't know about you but I feel a bit miffed about that. The romanticism of being related to Rob Roy has dissipated. I was always of the opinion that the Roy on Rob Roy was from the Gaelic word "red haired" and more likely. A further suggestion, although a bit tenuous, was that the name ROY was derived from the name FITZROI (illegitimate children of the King of France or members of the King's court) as a result of dalliances by Scotswomen whilst in exile from the home country. I think I would prefer that to the notion of being Belgian. I will keep my options open about the McGregor link though.
As usual, these correspondences usually throw up more questions than answers but that is the challenge of the hobby. It has no end. Thanks again for the contact and I look forward to keeping in touch, either to pick brains or supply any info I may have. Cheers for now.
Peter
PS Liz. I too was born and bred in Perth (1951-1969) until I went to uni and then into HM forces. I ended up in Norfolk. I too have links with Ruthven Avenue (a rough old area in its day)