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Kerry / Re: Can anyone identify locations from these photos in 1999?
« on: Thursday 25 April 24 07:17 BST (UK)  »
You've probably got answers years ago but the one with the dog is taken on the hill above Allihies in West Cork, fishing boats probably Castletownbere

Thank you. I have had help from various people over the last few years and you are right it is Allihies.
The fishing boats I think is Dingle harbour as the long white building in the background still exists and best of all I discovered the school is in Chapeltown which confirms where my grandmother lived. Her family were from Kilfenora near Tralee.
It’s great to know that if I had not managed to find all this out I may still have got answers years later so thanks for your reply.

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I cannot see any births for Catherine in Middlesex and can’t find her in 1841. However I have just discovered that there are the following missing sections or portions of a piece permanently missing from 1841 in the following Middlesex Parishes:
St Luke, West Finsbury, Golden-Lane, Old Street and Whitecross Street. 😥

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I see that Grays Inn (Holborn) workhouse is represented in the 1871 census. Not seeing Catherine, though.

Is she the Catherine Holleday (washerwoman) in the 1881 census? Looks like that woman's birthplace is listed as "Whitecross Street, Middlesex". That would be (or was) near St Luke's.

If the 1861 and 1881 census reports list her birthplace as Middlesex why do you think she's from Ireland? Is it just the 1851 census which gives her birthplace as Ireland? Or do other sources give Ireland as her birthplace?

By the way, I'm seeing five RC baptisms for their children (1839-1850).

Out of interest can you give me a link or reference for the Grays Inn entries in 1871 please?

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Considering her birthplace is quite specific in the 1881 census ("Whitecross Street") I would also focus on a Middlesex birth. You might be going down a rabbit hole with Ireland.

Have you found the family in 1841?

No, I was just editing my reply above to say that.

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I see that Grays Inn (Holborn) workhouse is represented in the 1871 census. Not seeing Catherine, though.

Is she the Catherine Holleday (washerwoman) in the 1881 census? Looks like that woman's birthplace is listed as "Whitecross Street, Middlesex". That would be (or was) near St Luke's.

If the 1861 and 1881 census reports list her birthplace as Middlesex why do you think she's from Ireland? Is it just the 1851 census which gives her birthplace as Ireland? Or do other sources give Ireland as her birthplace?

By the way, I'm seeing five RC baptisms for their children (1839-1850).

Yes she is the washerwoman in 1881.
In the 1851 census when she is living with her parents they are both listed as from Ireland, as is she. I have assumed that the parents knew her correct birthplace, but she either forgot or did not want to state it on future returns. I yeah may be wrong though.

I am still looking for the family in the 1841 census too. Samuel & Catherine married in 1836 in Saint John at Hackney and son William was born 1839 at Adam & Eve Court, St Luke’s. Ellen on 1st April 1841 at Harwick Place, St Luke’s (I haven’t found that location). So they must be around there.

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I just found some information on a genealogy forum that suggests not many records survive for the Holborn Grays Inn workhouse. Could this be the problem, as I believe in 1871 able-bodied inmates from St Luke’s were sent to the Grays Inn site? I would have thought the census was separate from this though?

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Check the 1871 census using just initials (C and H), in case she's an "inmate" somewhere.

This brings up 6000+ hits on Ancestry even if I put exact for C and H. Is there a better way to do it?

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but as far as I can Catherine and Eliza should be inside in 1871...

But...Eliza's in the Caterham Asylum in the 1871 census (as per your thread). Is it just Catherine you're looking for in 1871? Have you tried searching using her initials?

Sorry, you are correct it’s just Catherine I am searching for in 1871.
I will try initials again but the inmates in St Luke’s/Holborn Workhouse are all listed with their full names.

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Samuel and Catherine in 1861

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M2-1YLN

Samuel, Catherine and Eliza are at the bottom of one page and abother daughter Mary aged 13 is on the next page but fs don't seem to allow for entries split over two pages.

If it helps to find it on Anc* the ref is RG09/206/F36/p27

Fantastic! That really helped. It turns out the image on Ancestry was so faint they hadn’t been able to transcribe the names. I haven’t come across that before. Also I must remember to check other sites when I can’t find something.

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