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My paternal great third great-grandfather is William Davis, a gardener from Houndsdown, born 1799 Eling Hampshire, died 1850 Eling. According to the most likely baptism record, his parents are possibly John and Mary Davis. John being an infantry soldier.

My father took a DNA test and multiple DNA matches point to a paternal ancestor on this line being related to a James Judd born Winterslow, Wiltshire 1764 and died 1830 Lymington, Hampshire.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Judd-1777

Interestingly James Judd fathered a child to a Mary Davis:

In April 1802 James Judd acknowledged that he was the father of a male child born to Mary Davis of Brockenhurst and was bound £40 for the upkeep of the child. (Winchester Record Office)

This child is George Davis, born 24 March 1802 in Brockenhurst. I believe he may thereafter have called himself George Judd.

This may be purely coincidental, but I could do with help or in researching further. I'm not sure if the John and Mary Davis links back to an earlier Judd parent on Mary's side, or if George Davis is a brother of William Davis. It is worth noting the recurrent surname I get in unknown DNA matches is 'Judd' and there aren't any branches of 'Davis' families linking to generation before William's offspring.

 I have the estimated Y Haplogroup from my dads Ancestry DNA test, if that helps identifying William Davis as having Judd parentage.

The 1916 birth was Hilda M Jhonson. Confusingly the same forename as her mother, Hilda Mary.

Hilda Mary, the young Hilda May and Harry Jhonson then all went to Hulme Lancashire for some reason where Violet Johnson was born in Chorlton 1918. Both Violet and Hilda MAy were baptized then in Hulme.

On the possible Charles Gittos link, maybe this is a clue:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVB5-PX7F

The first child was born in The Golden Lion Pub, Bradley (Black Country)  1912. Where Harry 'Jhonson' was working as the 'horse dealer'. That is how he described it on the baptism record but the more formal description as listed on the birth register is 'Ostler'. I imagine that the type of occupation would have been verbally described to the registrar who then wrote down the accepted term 'Ostler'. This has been confirmed by a surviving relative.

Hi,

Yes I had seen the medical card in the national archives. There are also few more listed on the ancestry website. I don't think the medical cards give a date of birth or a residential address though (I apologize if I'm wrong on this).

I wondered if there is a way of trace each of the medical cards/soldier service number back to identify what area the individual came from.

I know its a needle in a haystack to identify him with such limited information. I personally think the 'Jhonson' spelling that's appeared on the baptism records and one of the birth certificates is probably correct.

The address I have for him in 1916 (25 Lowe Street, Wolverhampton) was occupied by a Charles Gittos in 1914. I am trying to follow up on if there is a link between the two men or if its a coincidence they shared the address. I cant see any electoral roll information for 1916.

It's a possibility he stayed at the address he gave in 1918 (10 Edge Street, Hulme) at the mother of his children returned to the west midlands. I still have to check the electoral roll information for that too.

I don't hold out a lot of hope for tracing him at the moment.

The mother of all three children was Hilda Mary Hampson (my great grandmother), born in 1892, Coseley, Staffordshire.

On the birth and baptism records after the first birth she uses the surname 'Jhonson' but there is no record of them being married.

 The first daughter was bought up by her grand parents as one of their children and kept the mothers maiden name. She was Vera Hampson.

I don't know how old Harry was and the only information I have is from the two birth/baptism certificates and second hand information from the children of the generation of people who knew the children's mother. They think he was married before and chose to go back to his wife, but again there is no evedience to support that either.

I can guess that he would have been born between 1880 and 1895, but have no evidence to support this other than that the gap between the children's births could accommodate a term of service with the Army Veterinary Corps.


I am trying to trace the adoption records but as it was organised by a local church who dont now have the records and neither do the Staffordshire archives who took on the churches old records pre 1970, I'm not holding out on finding these.