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I’m trying to work out if the Daniel Williams who married Elizabeth Northey in NSW in 1869, is the same Daniel Williams who is the nephew of Gwenllian/Winifred (nee Williams) Jones. Gwenllian died at Cadia, NSW in 1868. I know both families worked in the mines during these years in this region of NSW. The parents of Daniel Williams, who married Elizabeth Northey, are William Williams and Elizabeth (nee Jones) Williams.

The link between Daniel and Gwenllian/Winifred is that the Informant on Gwenllian’s Death Transcript is “Daniel Williams, Nephew, Cadia”. So if they are related, Daniel would be the son of Gwenllian’s brother or sister, or else the son of Gwenllian’s husband’s sister. Gwenllian’s husband is William Jones.

There is an 1883 death record on NSW BDM for Daniel Williams which could be our Daniel Williams. The Death Transcript says he died at the “Hospital for Insane, Parramatta, NSW”. It doesn't name his parents or wife, it only says he was married. His age is about right. It says he was born in South Wales, which would also be correct.

I guess my next step is to check out the hospital records. Does anyone know about tracking down Daniel’s patient records at this hospital and whether it’s likely to supply any useful information?

Any help I can get would be much appreciated.

Carmel

The Marriage Transcription for James Patrick Ryan and Mary Jane Hackett just arrived. It looks like the right James. Finally. I hope so.

It says he was born at Frogmore, was living at Burraga, Bachelor, and age (25). Father: Patrick Ryan, (Occupation: Smelter) and Mother: Mary Payne. One of the witnesses was Agnes Ryan (one of James’ sisters is named Agnes). They were married on 24 April 1907 at St Mary’s Church, Erskineville, NSW (Roman Catholic Church).

I know some of his family were still living at Burraga in 1907 and some were on their way to Sydney during this period before WWI.

The Transcription also says the Bride was Mary Jane Hackett, Dressmaker, Spinster, age 23, born in Perth, NSW, and living at Erskineville. Father: William Hackett, Farmer, Deceased. Mother: Mary Ann Girdler. Witness: George Hackett.

There are details in the Death Certificate that don’t quite match James Patrick’s Birth and Marriage documents, particularly his parents’ names, but I’m hoping his daughter, the Informant, just didn’t know the correct information. Generally, the details are consistent across the documents.

I’ll have a good look at Trove and hopefully find a wedding notice for them either in the Sydney papers or Burraga area newspapers. I’ve been lucky in the past with other family members and found similar events noted in their hometown papers. I’ll keep looking for a bit more supporting information that this is my James Patrick but there may not be any.

Thanks again so much for all the help you people provided. I really appreciate it.

Carmel

Hi Ros

Thanks again for taking the time.

Carmel

Hi JM

Thanks for the good advice on the Marriage Certificate. No, I haven’t seen 1878 Electoral Roll you mentioned. It’s likely to be him. Patrick Ryan and Mary Payne lived in the area at that time. He was a Copper Smelter in the mines. I think it might be worth putting up all their children’s details. These children are the siblings of the James Patrick Ryan (born 1881) I’m looking for. I might be lucky and find a distant cousin who remembers stories about Uncle Jim Ryan.

James Patrick RYAN’S PARENTS:
Mary PAYNE born Spring Valley, NSW in 1849. Died Parramatta, NSW in 1930.
Patrick RYAN born Goulburn area, NSW in 1849. Died Petersham, NSW in 1918.
Married at Sts Peter and Paul’s Cathedral, Goulburn, NSW on 20 Nov 1871.

CHILDREN of PATRICK RYAN and MARY PAYNE:
Mary Alice born 1872, Currawang Copper Mines, NSW. Died 1880, Frogmore, NSW. Died as a child.
Elizabeth Ann born 1874, Currawang, NSW. Died 1954, Lewisham, NSW. Married Evan Morgan.
William born 1876, Frogmore, NSW. Died 1940, Balmain, NSW. Married Grace McGee.
John Ernest born 1878, Frogmore, NSW. Died 1881, Frogmore, NSW. Died as a child.
JAMES PATRICK born 1881, Frogmore, NSW. Died: Unknown (after 1953 likely).
Agnes born 1883, Spring Valley, NSW. Died 1920, Summer Hill, NSW. Married Edward John Whittington.
Annie born 1886, Frogmore, NSW. Died 1967, Ryde, NSW. Unmarried.
Evelyn Josephine born 1888, Frogmore, NSW. Died 1963, Rydalmere, NSW. Married Alfred Thomas Eyles.
John Cecil born 1890, Burraga, NSW. Died 1944, Sydney, NSW. Married Lucy Heylen.