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The Common Room / Re: need help finding a death certificate
« on: Saturday 23 March 24 15:19 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: jonw65 on Saturday 23 March 24 12:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Arthurk
I also thought Belper workhouse at first, but those deaths weren't there (turns out Belpher WH records are on FS!)

The Derby Union workhouse was by then in Markeaton, and at that time (1879) was in Belper RD
Master of the Workhouse in the 1881 census (free)
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/2739439:7572

Quote from: arthurk on Saturday 23 March 24 11:15 GMT (UK)
Nottingham Road Cemetery is included at Everafter - https://www.discovereverafter.com/ (free site

That looks a good site, I didn't know about it. Thanks!
Jon

Hi Jon,
Thanks for the 1881 census link. 

Thank you also for jumping onboard and helping me to solve this.  I've struggled with this family for 5 years and new records come available and I can now finally lay James to rest.

The family did appear to have domestic problems and I will never know the true extent as to what happened I can at least now mark this as complete.

I appreciate all the effort you put in and now that digital GRO records only cost £2.50 I gave it a shot and it appears to be the best fit.  It looks like him, but the age has been recorded wrongly. 

Thanks again
Antonella

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The Common Room / Re: need help finding a death certificate
« on: Saturday 23 March 24 15:13 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: arthurk on Saturday 23 March 24 11:15 GMT (UK)
Quote from: jonw65 on Friday 22 March 24 21:13 GMT (UK)
James Halladay in the index to the Nottingham Road Cemetery burial registers, 1879-1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWP9-2RR

Sadly the graves registers are locked up.

Nottingham Road Cemetery is included at Everafter - https://www.discovereverafter.com/ (free site)

It doesn't say much about James Halladay apart from the burial date (21 Nov 1879) and his age (52), though it does show you the exact location of the grave. It also says that an Arthur Hatton was buried there in 1930, though being so many years later it's likely to be a re-use of the old plot.

Jonw65's searches in the death indexes do make me wonder if the Belper one might be worth looking at again. After all, Markeaton was in the Belper registration district and Poor Law Union, so it would have been Belper workhouse that he went to. What exactly does that certificate say about James and where he died, and who registered the death?

I have revisited the JH in Belper, and it's probably the best bet. 
The certificate says he died in the derby workhouse (markeaton) on 18th Nov 1879 of bronchitis and the death was registered by Hannah ? who was present at the death.  I assume she was a nurse or other inmate.  The death was certified by ? Greaves (MRCS). 

Thanks for the link to the everafter site - i didn't know about this one. 

Your help digging around and suggestions have been really appreciated, I really am on for diligence and ensuring I get the right facts before posting onto my tree. 

Thanks again
Antonella

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The Common Room / Re: need help finding a death certificate
« on: Saturday 23 March 24 15:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks to all of you who have been helpful.  I decided that the James Halliday in Belper was my best bet - the death cert said shoemaker (my James was a blacksmith), it said he dies in the workhouse in markeaton.  Its just the death age that is 10 yrs different. 

The family have been a hard set to track down and at least I can now put it to rest and close the brick wall.

Thank you all again
Antonella


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The Common Room / Re: need help finding a death certificate
« on: Friday 22 March 24 17:13 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: arthurk on Friday 22 March 24 17:06 GMT (UK)
Thanks - that's fairly clear. I'm afraid I'm running out of ideas.

For info, in case you haven't tried: at FreeBMD you can search with just a forename, or just an age (or range of ages). You'd need to narrow it down by quarter, and maybe a county, but see what comes up.

Thanks for all your help.  I'll keep trying but I think this one might just be a mystery.  It;s not the first ancestor Ive had without a death entry (and strangely enough, it's the same surname too LOL!)

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The Common Room / Re: need help finding a death certificate
« on: Friday 22 March 24 16:54 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: arthurk on Friday 22 March 24 16:47 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Little Nell on Friday 22 March 24 16:33 GMT (UK)
Sorry arthuruk - edited my post above as you posted.

No problem, and thanks for the apology - some people wouldn't have bothered  ::)

Quote from: Miss C on Friday 22 March 24 16:39 GMT (UK)
I've had the burial register entry back from the DRO in Matlock, He died in the Union Workhouse (parish of Markeaton), but the handwriting in 'flourishy' which leads me to suspect it is a transcription error.
I've tried everything I can think of but still draw a blank.

Do you mean a transcription error for the burial register? We have transcription and deciphering experts here who could give an opinion, if you wanted to upload an image.

If he died in the workhouse, it's possible they got his name wrong when registering the death.

The name is definitely right.
I've attached a pdf of the burial index
Thank you

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The Common Room / Re: need help finding a death certificate
« on: Friday 22 March 24 16:40 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: coombs on Friday 22 March 24 16:35 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Miss C on Friday 22 March 24 16:28 GMT (UK)
Hi,
His name is James Halladay d1879 Derby buried 21 Nov 1879. 
I've tried similar sounding and phonetically similar alternatives but nothing.
Also tried BMD but no results

How old was your James said to be at his burial?

age 52

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The Common Room / Re: need help finding a death certificate
« on: Friday 22 March 24 16:39 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Nell and arthuruk

I've had the burial register entry back from the DRO in Matlock, He died in the Union Workhouse (parish of Markeaton), but the handwriting in 'flourishy' which leads me to suspect it is a transcription error.
I've tried everything I can think of but still draw a blank.

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The Common Room / Re: need help finding a death certificate
« on: Friday 22 March 24 16:33 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: arthurk on Friday 22 March 24 16:31 GMT (UK)
Searching the whole of Derbyshire at FreeBMD brings up James Halliday, age 63, who died in the Belper district in Dec qtr 1879. It's only just up the road...

Thanks - I did try this one but not him

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The Common Room / Re: need help finding a death certificate
« on: Friday 22 March 24 16:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
His name is James Halladay d1879 Derby buried 21 Nov 1879. 
I've tried similar sounding and phonetically similar alternatives but nothing.
Also tried BMD but no results

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