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Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests / Re: Penn, Bucks parish register look-ups please Attn jillruss
« on: Thursday 22 May 14 15:29 BST (UK) »Thanks Trish!
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x
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Thanks Trish!
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x
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Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests / Re: Penn, Bucks parish register look-ups please Attn jillruss
« on: Monday 19 May 14 00:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Trish
Thank you very much! The marriage of Thomas and Mary looks perfect and the witnesses are very likely Thomas' brother and sister from Penn!
I have noticed in the course of this research that Amersham is the registration district for Penn both in the census and in civil registration and its closeness to Penn also make it a possible alternative for records.
Will follow up on the other marriages you mention. Have checked FreeREG now and it only has coverage at the moment for Amersham in regards marriages to 1812 but can take another look at familysearch later as well!
Thanks again and God bless you,
Lynne x
Thank you very much! The marriage of Thomas and Mary looks perfect and the witnesses are very likely Thomas' brother and sister from Penn!
I have noticed in the course of this research that Amersham is the registration district for Penn both in the census and in civil registration and its closeness to Penn also make it a possible alternative for records.
Will follow up on the other marriages you mention. Have checked FreeREG now and it only has coverage at the moment for Amersham in regards marriages to 1812 but can take another look at familysearch later as well!
Thanks again and God bless you,
Lynne x
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Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests / Re: Penn, Bucks parish register look-ups please Attn jillruss
« on: Sunday 18 May 14 16:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Jill
Thanks for replying. Yes Allison was able to help with quite a bit and more! There look to be gaps in the records though as marriages are missing as well as some ages in the 1800's for burials.
As mentioned, this is not my tree but am helping a friend and Bucks is an area I do not know much about at all. Can you tell me what other church might have been used at that time where it might be possible to find the missing marriages? Or is it simply that the records for Penn are incomplete?
Thanks again.
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x
Thanks for replying. Yes Allison was able to help with quite a bit and more! There look to be gaps in the records though as marriages are missing as well as some ages in the 1800's for burials.
As mentioned, this is not my tree but am helping a friend and Bucks is an area I do not know much about at all. Can you tell me what other church might have been used at that time where it might be possible to find the missing marriages? Or is it simply that the records for Penn are incomplete?
Thanks again.
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x
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Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests / Re: Penn, Bucks parish register look-ups please Attn jillruss
« on: Sunday 18 May 14 16:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Allison
Gosh, thank you, that's brilliant!!!! Quite a lot of gaps now filled in!
Thank you for the corrections, which may have been my typos, and the details of the additional children.
The burial for William in 1853 is perfect. He was born later in 1804 so would definitely have been 48 in early 1853!
Would it be possible to check several burials please?
William's parents Thomas and Mary were not on the 1841 Census that I could find. There is a possible burial for Mary FRYER on 4 Aug 1833 on familysearch but no birth year is given. Do your records have anything extra please?
There is nothing on familysearch for Thomas but he could have died in the 1830's as well. If it is not easy to search then not to worry.
With regard to two of the children of William and Ellen you found that were not on familysearch or on the censuses, Rhoda and Alfred, I have checked on freebmd and they died not long after their births. Could you please check for a burial for Rhoda in Apr-Jun 1841 (she was not on the 1841 census so it may have been a late registration on the civil index and could have been buried in March).
Alfred died in the June quarter of 1845 so possibly not long after he was born as well.
Thank you!
After receiving your information about the marriage of William to Helen DENNIS in 1826 I went back to familysearch to look for a christening for Ellen/Helen about 1808 but there was nothing.
(Familysearch's records appear to be incomplete for Penn.)
Googling brought up a website that showed the DENNIS family history, which gave me the information I needed! Apparently Ellen DENNIS was chr. 13 Oct 1808 at Penn, the daughter of Free DENNIS and Ann AXTON. Could you confirm this please from your records?
Is there a marriage at Penn for Free DENNIS and Ann AXTON please about 1804 or so?
Thank you very much for your help!
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x
Gosh, thank you, that's brilliant!!!! Quite a lot of gaps now filled in!
Thank you for the corrections, which may have been my typos, and the details of the additional children.
The burial for William in 1853 is perfect. He was born later in 1804 so would definitely have been 48 in early 1853!
Would it be possible to check several burials please?
William's parents Thomas and Mary were not on the 1841 Census that I could find. There is a possible burial for Mary FRYER on 4 Aug 1833 on familysearch but no birth year is given. Do your records have anything extra please?
There is nothing on familysearch for Thomas but he could have died in the 1830's as well. If it is not easy to search then not to worry.
With regard to two of the children of William and Ellen you found that were not on familysearch or on the censuses, Rhoda and Alfred, I have checked on freebmd and they died not long after their births. Could you please check for a burial for Rhoda in Apr-Jun 1841 (she was not on the 1841 census so it may have been a late registration on the civil index and could have been buried in March).
Alfred died in the June quarter of 1845 so possibly not long after he was born as well.
Thank you!
After receiving your information about the marriage of William to Helen DENNIS in 1826 I went back to familysearch to look for a christening for Ellen/Helen about 1808 but there was nothing.
(Familysearch's records appear to be incomplete for Penn.)
Googling brought up a website that showed the DENNIS family history, which gave me the information I needed! Apparently Ellen DENNIS was chr. 13 Oct 1808 at Penn, the daughter of Free DENNIS and Ann AXTON. Could you confirm this please from your records?
Is there a marriage at Penn for Free DENNIS and Ann AXTON please about 1804 or so?
Thank you very much for your help!
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x
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Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests / Penn, Bucks parish register look-ups please Attn jillruss
« on: Saturday 17 May 14 20:44 BST (UK) »
Hello Jill
May I have a look-up please from your Penn parish registers? I am researching on behalf of a friend who is descended from the FRYAR's/FRYER's of Penn, Bucks. My friend's family seems to have most commonly used the spelling FRYAR.
The earliest record I have so far is Moses FRYAR born about 1739, location unknown. I am looking for his marriage about 1768 to Henrietta?
The christenings for Moses and Henrietta's children are on familysearch at Penn but could you check please to see if there is any additional information?
Moses c. 29 Jan 1769
James c. 5 May 1771
Hester c. 12 Dec 1773
John c. 18 Feb 1776
Thomas c. 27 Feb 1778 (my friend's ancestor)
Joseph c. 18 Jun 1780
William c. 12 Jan 1782
Elizabeth c. 19 Sep 1784
According to familysearch Moses was buried at Penn on 30 March 1802 and Henrietta on 10 August 1811 - could you please check these details also for additional information? Thank you.
I am also interested in Thomas' marriage to Mary ? about 1798 and any additional information that might be found in the records for their children's christenings (from familysearch):
Mary c. 16 Feb 1799
James c. 15 Feb 1801
Moses c. 20 Feb 1803
William c. 28 Oct 1804 (my friend's ancestor)
John c. 24 Aug 1806
I do not know when Thomas and Mary died.
Thank you!
Finally, William's details as well please! He married Ellen ? about 1826. Their children were:
Ann born abt 1826
William Free?? or just Free? about 1828
Thomas c. 28 Aug 1831
John c. 22 Dec 1833
Joseph b abt 1835 (my friend's ancestor)
Robert b abt 1838
Henry b 1842
Mary b 1846
Ellen died in Q1 1871 according to FreeBMD, aged 63 years.
I do not know when William died as have not yet found him or Ellen in 1861.
Thank you very much!
It is a big ask I know and there is no hurry. Your help is very much appreciated. I do not know Bucks at all so if there are any other online resources you can suggest please that might help that would be great. I have checked the resources on this website.
Thanks again and God bless you,
Lynne x
May I have a look-up please from your Penn parish registers? I am researching on behalf of a friend who is descended from the FRYAR's/FRYER's of Penn, Bucks. My friend's family seems to have most commonly used the spelling FRYAR.
The earliest record I have so far is Moses FRYAR born about 1739, location unknown. I am looking for his marriage about 1768 to Henrietta?
The christenings for Moses and Henrietta's children are on familysearch at Penn but could you check please to see if there is any additional information?
Moses c. 29 Jan 1769
James c. 5 May 1771
Hester c. 12 Dec 1773
John c. 18 Feb 1776
Thomas c. 27 Feb 1778 (my friend's ancestor)
Joseph c. 18 Jun 1780
William c. 12 Jan 1782
Elizabeth c. 19 Sep 1784
According to familysearch Moses was buried at Penn on 30 March 1802 and Henrietta on 10 August 1811 - could you please check these details also for additional information? Thank you.
I am also interested in Thomas' marriage to Mary ? about 1798 and any additional information that might be found in the records for their children's christenings (from familysearch):
Mary c. 16 Feb 1799
James c. 15 Feb 1801
Moses c. 20 Feb 1803
William c. 28 Oct 1804 (my friend's ancestor)
John c. 24 Aug 1806
I do not know when Thomas and Mary died.
Thank you!
Finally, William's details as well please! He married Ellen ? about 1826. Their children were:
Ann born abt 1826
William Free?? or just Free? about 1828
Thomas c. 28 Aug 1831
John c. 22 Dec 1833
Joseph b abt 1835 (my friend's ancestor)
Robert b abt 1838
Henry b 1842
Mary b 1846
Ellen died in Q1 1871 according to FreeBMD, aged 63 years.
I do not know when William died as have not yet found him or Ellen in 1861.
Thank you very much!
It is a big ask I know and there is no hurry. Your help is very much appreciated. I do not know Bucks at all so if there are any other online resources you can suggest please that might help that would be great. I have checked the resources on this website.
Thanks again and God bless you,
Lynne x
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Lincolnshire / Re: Suddenly my tree is wrong
« on: Saturday 25 May 13 15:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Glen
Have been to Lincstothepast, which is working fine for me at the moment, and Ann's mother is definitely given as Ann.
Unfortunately as it is an "original" source and not a transcription there is no way of determining how the error occurred - if indeed it is an error. The fact that there are no other children for Joseph and Ann and the children are consecutive in order of birth with no obvious overlaps that would indicate that it was biologically impossible for the birth of Ann to have been to Mary, so another couple had to be involved, then for now at least you could be looking at a clerical error. I would keep your tree as it is - until further information comes to light - but make a note of this discrepancy.
You mention naming patterns. Do you mean with your 2xG Grandmother Ann's own children? Does she have any Ann's or Mary's? While this is not always conclusive, especially if a lot of children were born and the couple may have named children after themselves, so Ann may have had daughters named Ann and Mary.
Sorry if it is not very helpful but I don't think there is a way to prove a clerical error in the register but you also mentioned that younger children of Joseph and Mary appear with Ann in the 1841 census record and on her marriage certificate as witnesses so you can probably take that as proof. Plus Ann's Dad was a blacksmith as was the stated occupation on the marriage certs of some of the other children of Joseph and Mary. I would go with clerical error in the register until proven otherwise! Still a bit frustrating though!
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne
Have been to Lincstothepast, which is working fine for me at the moment, and Ann's mother is definitely given as Ann.
Unfortunately as it is an "original" source and not a transcription there is no way of determining how the error occurred - if indeed it is an error. The fact that there are no other children for Joseph and Ann and the children are consecutive in order of birth with no obvious overlaps that would indicate that it was biologically impossible for the birth of Ann to have been to Mary, so another couple had to be involved, then for now at least you could be looking at a clerical error. I would keep your tree as it is - until further information comes to light - but make a note of this discrepancy.
You mention naming patterns. Do you mean with your 2xG Grandmother Ann's own children? Does she have any Ann's or Mary's? While this is not always conclusive, especially if a lot of children were born and the couple may have named children after themselves, so Ann may have had daughters named Ann and Mary.
Sorry if it is not very helpful but I don't think there is a way to prove a clerical error in the register but you also mentioned that younger children of Joseph and Mary appear with Ann in the 1841 census record and on her marriage certificate as witnesses so you can probably take that as proof. Plus Ann's Dad was a blacksmith as was the stated occupation on the marriage certs of some of the other children of Joseph and Mary. I would go with clerical error in the register until proven otherwise! Still a bit frustrating though!
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne
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Lincolnshire / Re: Suddenly my tree is wrong
« on: Saturday 25 May 13 08:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Glen
It could very well be an error in the register. The fact that the child's name is Ann may be an indication that the cleric lost concentration momentarily and entered the mother as Ann also.
Are you able to get a look-up from the actual parish registers somehow? You could check all the christenings and see if the occupation for Joseph and the abode are the same in all instances.
I actually could not find my ancestor on the IGI but had a Bible reference to her birth from someone else in the family so knew when she was likely to be christened in the 1780's. (I also had her burial details.) There was a possible candidate on the IGI several years earlier but obviously too old to be my relative. I contacted the local records office who did a look-up from the parish register and they confirmed the date was 1787 and not 1781 as on the IGI. The date in 1787 matched the birth record from the family Bible [and her age at death]. So it is possible it could even be a transcription error on the IGI.
There is a query service at familysearch so you might be able to see if they can check their records to confirm. [Not sure where on the site you do this but do recall reading it on their blog somewhere!?! Sorry!]
Hope this helps.
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne
It could very well be an error in the register. The fact that the child's name is Ann may be an indication that the cleric lost concentration momentarily and entered the mother as Ann also.
Are you able to get a look-up from the actual parish registers somehow? You could check all the christenings and see if the occupation for Joseph and the abode are the same in all instances.
I actually could not find my ancestor on the IGI but had a Bible reference to her birth from someone else in the family so knew when she was likely to be christened in the 1780's. (I also had her burial details.) There was a possible candidate on the IGI several years earlier but obviously too old to be my relative. I contacted the local records office who did a look-up from the parish register and they confirmed the date was 1787 and not 1781 as on the IGI. The date in 1787 matched the birth record from the family Bible [and her age at death]. So it is possible it could even be a transcription error on the IGI.
There is a query service at familysearch so you might be able to see if they can check their records to confirm. [Not sure where on the site you do this but do recall reading it on their blog somewhere!?! Sorry!]
Hope this helps.
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne
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The Common Room / Genes Reunited - help to make contact please
« on: Thursday 23 May 13 09:13 BST (UK) »
Hello
An acquaintance has found a possible cousin on Genes Reunited but neither of us has a subscription. I am wondering if anyone is able to help us make contact please?
If someone could get in touch via the private messaging system so I can pass on the contact details it would be very much appreciated, thank you.
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x
An acquaintance has found a possible cousin on Genes Reunited but neither of us has a subscription. I am wondering if anyone is able to help us make contact please?
If someone could get in touch via the private messaging system so I can pass on the contact details it would be very much appreciated, thank you.
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x
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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Restoration help please
« on: Thursday 07 March 13 00:20 GMT (UK) »
Oooh, Roy! Have just noticed the shadow/3D effect! That really makes it pop!
Thanks again!
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x
Thanks again!
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x