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Lancashire / Re: HORSFALL - Todmorden, Nelson & Colne, Rochdale
« on: Thursday 30 May 24 16:36 BST (UK)  »
That's great, TM.
PJ Cosgrove will be delighted to learn (if he doesn't already know) that his forebear James Horsfall was clearly eminent in his field, a skilled horticulturalist and garden designer.

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Lancashire / Re: HORSFALL - Todmorden, Nelson & Colne, Rochdale
« on: Thursday 30 May 24 13:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Gillg
My Horsfall forebears (and there were quite a few of them) came originally from the area now known as Todmorden. Early in the 19th c they migrated (sensible move) to the Colne area of Lancs, then a branch moved down to Whitworth. No architects --mostly smalltime farmers, though one of them was for many years publican of The Red Lion, Whitworth. Horsfall is still the name of a smallish area of Todmorden ... there is even a Horsfall Hall. IAN

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Lancashire / Re: HORSFALL - Todmorden, Nelson & Colne, Rochdale
« on: Thursday 30 May 24 13:38 BST (UK)  »
Hello PJ
The Hiram Horsfall you mention was, I think, the brother of my great grandfather, whose name was Hiram. My great grandfather, Frederick and his much younger brother James were sons of Hiram Horsfall (born Heptonstall 1810), the first of the Horsfall family to live at Whitworth. Hiram's father was Abraham (born 1786), who by 1841 had Chamber Hill farm in Briarfield, some way north of Whitworth. Abraham was born to a large family in what is now Todmorden.

Now ... Hiram (my g-g grandfather) died young in 1852 in his mid-thirties. When Hiram died his wife, Ann (Barker), was pregnant with a son, who was named Hiram after his late father. This Hiram would have been the 'Uncle Hiram' you mention. About a year later Ann remarried to a much older man called Robert Rudman, but 'your' Hiram retained the Horsfall surname. My great grandfather Frederick Matthew Horsfall was the son of Hiram and Ann. He was born in 1849 and had siblings (Anne, Thomas, Mariah) born obviously before Hiram, their father's death. After Anne's remarriage she gave birth to a son in 1855, Joseph Rudman––who was, therefore, the half brother of Frederick and 'your' Hiram.
Hope you can make sense of the above. Turning it into a diagram will help. Note that the first Hiram was born 1810, not the date given elsewhere.

Best wishes IAN


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Australia / Re: South Australia: the surname 'Capel' COMPLETED
« on: Friday 19 January 24 17:54 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry about the slow reply, Judith. I've had an email from the State LIbrary of South Australia with a couple of interesting links, including an index of passengers boarding England-bound ships from South Australia ... though I still have the feeling that this quest for a possible chaperone is clutching at straws! I think those of us engaging in family history are all too familiar with that activity!
Best wishes
Ian

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Australia / Re: South Australia: the surname 'Capel' COMPLETED
« on: Thursday 18 January 24 11:41 GMT (UK)  »
Capel was the name of another steerage passenger on the 'Success' on the same voyage as Mrs Page and Charlwood. There were a few more. Eccentric as it may sound, I picked these two to start with as their names are also names of Surrey towns: more particularly Charlwood was a place the Page family had lived in. I know, probably just a coincidence. Let's forget Capel and co. When time permits I see if I can trace them in England before the Success's voyage ... though of course they sailed before the 1851 census.

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Australia / Re: South Australia: the surname 'Capel'
« on: Thursday 18 January 24 07:28 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again to those who have responded, and apologies for not having clarified the terms of my present search. To explain how we know that the 'Mrs Page', steerage paaaenger on the 'Success', was the same person as the Susan Elizabeth Allen who married James Page would involve quite a long and involved story. Suffice it to say that we are fully satisfied with this detail in our research into the Page family.

James Page, from a relatively humble background, had a titled sponsor whose identity we know and who, for reasons as yet not fully clear, was discreet (not to say secretive) in his dealings in this matter. We surmise that he would have arranged for someone to act as chaperone to this vulnerable young woman on the voyage to South Australia. This request of mine was a desperate (?) attempt to find the identity of this possible chaperone.

If there were such a chaperone, there are two possibilities. Perhaps he too settled in Australia; or (less likely) he travelled back to England, his commission having been completed.

I think that for now it will make more sense for me to look again at tracing these steerage passengers in England, hoping to find a link between one of them and the sponsor of James Page.

I am grateful to those who have shown interest in this murky matter.

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Australia / Re: South Australia: the surname 'Charlwood'
« on: Wednesday 17 January 24 15:47 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks indeed for both these informative replies. I accept that the Norwich Charlwood family of printers were indeed the steerage passengers aboard the 'Success', arriving Port Adelaide Feb 1851. This request forms part of a wider search for information about one of the Charlwoods' fellow passengers, a lady travelling under the alias 'Mrs Page'. The lady herself married a 'Page' two days after she disembarked. It's almost certain that she posed as a married woman for her own protection. It is further thought that one of her fellow passengers acted as a sort of chaperone. Sounds like the plot of a novel, doesn't it? Again, thanks for your responses.

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Australia / South Australia: the surname 'Capel' COMPLETED
« on: Wednesday 17 January 24 13:45 GMT (UK)  »
I wonder if any researcher has come across the surname CAPEL? My person of interest (forename not known) arrived Port Adelaide, February 1851. I'd be grateful to know of any mention of the name in the second half of the 1800s.

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Suffolk / Re: Darking of Haverhill
« on: Saturday 16 December 23 14:44 GMT (UK)  »
Looking back at the notes I made years ago when first trying to solve this mystery: Horace's elder brother (James, the one who was set up in business in South Australia) named his house (now heritage listed) 'Haverhill House', further indication that the name was important within the Page family. Later in the 19th century one of James's grandsons was christened Horace Averil Page.
The plot thickens (again)

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