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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Marsh Family Austonley Upper Thong and Cartworth
« on: Thursday 12 November 09 11:41 GMT (UK)  »
Just to confirm a rural stereotype, I have only just discovered that I am related to some Mellors of Flushhouse via an 1881 marriage in another strand of the family.  I'll put a note on here if I find out exactly how they link in to the Mellors and Marshes of the dictionary.
R

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Marsh Family Austonley Upper Thong and Cartworth
« on: Tuesday 03 November 09 22:34 GMT (UK)  »
Well we've cracked it.  I now know how the Marshes/Crosslands of the dictionary are related to my Croslands.  George Cros(s)land, the father of Joshua Marsh's wife Mary, is the older brother of my great great grandmother Mary Crosland (later Barnes) - both being children of Dan and Mary Crosland originally of Hepworth.  I now have quite a comprehensive file on that Crosland family in the early/mid nineteenth century if anyone wants to know more.
It may also be of interest to note that George Cros(s)land's wife Ruth was a Heywood and that Joshua Marsh's mother Hannah's maiden name was Mellor - hence the Mellor connection of the dictionary.
Many thanks for helping to make all this possible.  Without the information on the dictionary I would almost certainly not have worked out why Joshua Marsh was the informant on my great great grandmother's death certificate.
R

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Marsh Family Austonley Upper Thong and Cartworth
« on: Friday 30 October 09 10:51 GMT (UK)  »
PS.  Hannah Marsh's date of birth can be fixed at around 1797 but I don't yet have her maiden name.  She was born in Flushhouse, Austonley, so is definitely a local.
R

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Marsh Family Austonley Upper Thong and Cartworth
« on: Friday 30 October 09 10:47 GMT (UK)  »
Just to let you know that we are making good progress with the Marshes.  I won't post a full account yet because there is more I want to do, but the following interim report may be of interest:
Betty Mellor is shown as "Female Servant" age about 20 - 24 in the Joshua Marsh household in Flushhouse in 1841, and Joseph also shows up, aged 3 months so that all ties in nicely with the dictionary.
Joshua had several younger siblings but most may not have survived childhood.
Joshua's father, John Marsh, appears to have died around June 1839, and his mother, Hannah, remarried - to a Peter Gyte (or Gite) in about September 1840.   It is these two adults who appear with the Marsh children and Betty and Joseph Mellor in the 1841 census.  There do not appear to have been any subsequent Gyte/Gite children.
I have not yet linked Mary Crossland (Joshua's wife) to my Cros(s)lands though I have high hopes. 
Another fascinating fact which only came to light yesterday is that Joshua's surviving sister, the conveniently unusually-named Tirzah Marsh, married a John Crossland in June 1855!  Could this be a case of brother and sister marrying sister and brother?  We'll see.  Tirzah Crosland (the spelling seems to be interchangeable with Crossland) died in the Huddersfield district in 1910 age 77, putting her year of birth at around 1833.
Robert

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Marsh Family Austonley Upper Thong and Cartworth
« on: Tuesday 27 October 09 20:41 GMT (UK)  »
and with any luck, this will count as posting number 3...

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Marsh Family Austonley Upper Thong and Cartworth
« on: Tuesday 27 October 09 20:40 GMT (UK)  »
That would be great - but it will be best to communicate via private message and I haven't done 3 postings yet so we can't.  Except that this is posting number 2.....

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Marsh Family Austonley Upper Thong and Cartworth
« on: Tuesday 27 October 09 18:29 GMT (UK)  »
Very interested to see this posting.
First of all, as a native of Holmbridge, I can confirm that the local pronunciation of Flushhouse is "Flushes" (as near as makes no difference).  I would be happy to locate all the various other places mentioned in the list of births - they are all familiar to me and are still in use today, with the exception of Dyson's Mill which was, I think, later known as Perseverance Mills and is located at Victoria between Holmfirth and Hinchliffe Mill, a mere stone's throw from Bottoms.
I am researching my Barnes ancestors.  My 2G grandfather, William Barnes (b 1825 in Hayfield Derbyshire), married Mary Crosland (b 1826 in Holmbridge) in 1848.  Mary was the daughter of Dan Crosland (sometimes Crossland) b about 1783 in Hepworth.  She died a widow in Hinchliffe Mill in 1865 and the informant of her death was a Joshua Marsh of Dyson Mill Cartworth (see above).  I have been trying to discover what connection, if any, there was between the Barnes/Crosland family and Joshua Marsh.  I had reason to believe that Joshua Marsh married a Mary Cros(s)land (presumably a different one from my 2G grandmother!) in Sep Q 1851 though have not yet traced them through the parish records or bought a certificate.  I had also calculated that my Joshua Marsh was born in 1823 (backdating from the only death of that name age 72 in 1895).  It therefore certainly looks as though my Joshua Marsh is the same one as in your original posting.
It seems increasingly likely that the Crosland (Crossland) link is indeed the answer.  Perhaps Dan and George Cros(s)land are brothers?  I shall pursue this line of enquiry.  It would be very good to fit your Croslands in with mine to confirm it.
Other possible dates of relevance are:
Death of Joshua Marsh Sep Q 1895 age 72 and death of Mary Marsh March Q 1907 age 77.
Robert

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