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The Common Room / What's your best find this year?
« on: Saturday 24 December 05 06:39 GMT (UK)  »
It's the end of the year, and I thought it would be interesting to hear about your "bests finds" this year.
It's hard to say what was my very best find, as there have been so many, but I will say it's tracking down my very stylish and irrrepressible  great-aunt, last heard of in about 1935, although we had no photos.
I now have photos!  In every shot, she sports a cigarette, but I learned that she died only 10 years ago at 96!  If only I'd known...  A chapter finally solved for her remaining niece and nephew, now well into their 80s, who always wanted to know.  Mystery solved!
Cheers!

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Census and Resource Discussion / Need help with British Origins
« on: Friday 23 December 05 07:56 GMT (UK)  »
I absolutely can't make the thing work.  All I get is this small symbol in the middle of the screen with a blue round thing on it.  I have tried reinstalling it, but it only tells me that it is already installed.  I think I asked about this a few weeks ago, but can't find the thread.  They keep taking my money, but I'm not getting anything.  It did work for a few weeks, but that was two months ago.
Any easy ideas?  I'm not a computer whiz, and wouldn't think I should have to be!
Very annoyed here!  Grrr!
thanks for any help you can give.

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Family History Beginners Board / LMA and Guildhall
« on: Monday 19 December 05 17:02 GMT (UK)  »
I suppose I should know this, but sometimes my research cart gets ahead of my horse.
I read something a while ago that seemed to suggest that the LMA and the Guildhall were one and the same place, i.e. that their holdings had been amalgamated.
Can someone confirm or deny? 
thanks.

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The Common Room / Just treading water. What to do?
« on: Tuesday 13 December 05 09:40 GMT (UK)  »
I have a mystery man named John West.  I find no evidence that he has a middle name.

I do not know where or when he was born.  And I do not know when he died.  He is a stone mason on his son's marriage cert, and an  "artificial stone worker" on his own marriage cert.  His age is not given on the marriage cert.  His father is William, a cabinetmaker.  The wife and child live in Pancras throughout. 

Married Eliza Stewart FEb.20/1864, Pancras.
Son Harry Wm born Feb.5/1865;  probably the only child.

I do not find clear evidence of him on any census so far. 

By 1871, John is absent from wife and child; wife is "married";  wife is "head of household".  Her sister also lives with them, and continues to do so throughout.
By 1881, similar situation, wife "married" and "head of household", but John absent.
1889 - son marries;  on the marriage cert, his father is listed, but not called "deceased".
By 1891, John still absent, wife is "widow" and head of household.
1901 - I have misplaced my census, but he isn't there either, and it seems reasonable to assume that he must surely have died already by that stage.  Wife and sister still living together.

There is no death on freebmd which seems like a dead ringer for him.
I have trawled several years at 1837online, but it's getting expensive and I haven't found any really good choices yet, and there are tons of people by this name.
Someone still living remembers seeing a photo of him once, in his son's living room, wherein he appeared to be perhaps about 40 years of age;  photo no longer exists, and that was a long time ago, and memory could be faulty.

Can anyone figure out where I should focus my search?  Do you think he deserted her?  When do you suppose he died?  Valda mentioned on another thread that "married" could mean "widow", so I am now thinking maybe he died before 1871 because they only had the one child, which would be unusual even if he did leave later. 
I really would like to know more about him, as he's not that far back in history really.

Thanks for any help.


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Europe Resources & Offers / World War 1 internments in UK - bibliography
« on: Sunday 11 December 05 22:07 GMT (UK)  »
(I have moved my bibliography from another thread, so that it will be easier for people to find and use.)


I have been compiling bibliography related to WWI enemy alien internments in Britain, with specific reference to German aliens, although you will find things here about other nationalities as well.  They are in no particular order.

Harris, Janet.  Alexandra Palace:  a hidden history.  Tempus Publishing Ltd., 2005.  128 pages.  ISBN: 0752436368 
The hidden history is that of the internment of Germans at Ally Pally in WW1.  I own this book.  Great photos; informative.  The author's great-uncle, Carl Turk, was an internee. 

Dove, Richard, ed.  'Totally un-English'?  Britain's Internment of 'Enemy Aliens' in Two World Wars.  Amsterdam/New York:  Rodopi, 2005.  214 pp.
Series: Yearbook of the Research Centre for German & Austrian Exile Studies 7.  Scholarly.  Now available in some libraries.    (Note to Keith:  It includes one WW2 article about Italians by Sponza.)  http://www.rodopi.nl/ntalpha.asp?BookId=EXILE+7&type=new&letter=W

West, Margery.  Island at War    Laxey:Western Books (Author's own publication), 1986 (ISBN 0-9511512-0-7) Contains names of several internees at Knockaloe, and also photos of them with their names.

Sargeaunt, B. E.   The Isle of Man & the Great War    Douglas: Brown & Sons 1920.  Some extracts can be found online.  http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/genealgy/intern.htm

Cohn-Portheim, Paul.  Time Stood Still: my Internment in England.  New York: E F Dutton, 1931. or London: Duckworth.

Panayi, P.  'Anti-immigrant riots in nineteenth and twentieth-century Britain', in Panayi, Panikos (ed.), Racial violence in Britain, 1840-1950. p.1-25, (Leicester, 1993).

Kershaw, Roger, and Mark Pearsall.  Immigrants and Aliens: A Guide to Sources on UK Immigration & Citizenship. National Archives 2004.

Bird, J.C. Control of Enemy Alien Civilians in Great Britain 1914-1918.  London: Garland Publishing, 1986

David Cesarini and Tony Kushner, eds., The Internment of Aliens in 20th C Britain.  ISBN 0 7146 3466 2    London: Cass, 1993.
[This group of studies first appeared in a special issue on 'The internment of aliens in twentieth century Britain' of Immigrants and Minorities 11:3]

Panayi, Panikos, The enemy in our midst. 1991.  This one is academic, but very good.

Ellis, Mark; and Panikos Panayi. "German Minorities in World War I: A Comparative Study of Britain and the USA." Ethnic and Racial Studies 17, no. 2 (1994): 238-59.

Bernard, Roy.  My German Family in England.  Anglo German Family History Society 1991.  ISBN 0 9514133 5 X

Dunbar-Kalckreuth, Frederick Lewis.  Die Männerinsel   Paul Lift Verlag: Leipzig 1940 - has description of Isle of Man internment camp life 1916-1917.   Unfortunately, only in German.

An Insight into Civilian Internment in Britain during WWI.  From the Diary of Richard Noschke and a short essay by Rudolf Rocke.  published by the Anglo-German FAmily History Society.  Contains a lot of info and photos re: Alexandra Palace.  Make sure you get the 1998 version, which has the photos.

Panayi, Panikos.  “The Destruction of the German Communities in Britain during the First World War”, in: Germans in Britain since 1500.  London Hambledon Press 1996.  ISBN 1 85285 126 0

Cresswell, Yvonne M., ed.  Living with the Wire: Civilian Internment in the Isle of Man during the two World Wars.  Pub: Manx National Heritage (1994).   ISBN 0-901106-35-6

Internment of Enemy Aliens in Great Britain, within the Empire and at Sea during 1914.  by Len Barnett, privately published, 2004

Panayi, P.  Immigration, ethnicity and racism in Britain, 1815-1945 (Manchester, 1994).  170p.

Steve Humphries and Richard van Emden  All quiet on the home front : an oral history of life in Britain during the First World War.  London : Headline, 2003.  334 p.,  ISBN:  0755311884.  Chapter 3, "The Enemy Within", deals with how the lives of "aliens" were affected...

St. Stephen's House: Friends’ Emergency Work in England, 1914 TO 1920. Compiled by Anna Braithwaite Thomas et al.  Published by the Emergency Committee for the Assistance of Germans, Austrians and Hungarians in Distress (registered by the London County Council under the War Charities Act, 1916).  I have a copy of this one;  it has a few photos, many stories but few names.

Mitteilungsblatt, the journal of the Anglo-German Family History Society.  There have been quite a few relevant articles in this journal over the last few years.  Some are listed below.

Tom Wood, "The internment of enemy civilians in wartime Britain", Family Tree Magazine (UK), v.15, 1998, Nov., p. 51-52.  I have a copy of this.

Additional bibliography (and some overlap) can be found here:  http://www.gov.im/mnh/heritage/library/bibliographies/internment.xml

Continued below.

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I am researching WW1 internments, but I occasionally run into items relevant to WW2, so I will list them here as I run into them, in no particular order.  As there has been quite a bit written about WW2, I will put an emphasis on including items which are either more significant or more obscure.

Ramati, Alexander.   Barbed Wire on the Isle of Man, the wartime British internment of Jews.  ISBN 0151106711

Jones, Ted.  Both Sides of the Wire.  in 2 volumes.  ISBN:  0920483216.  pub. Canada, 1988.  Second printing with corrections:  ISBN:  0920483216 (v.1) and 0920483259 (v. 2).   This book includes many many stories of individuals who were interned in Canada as either enemy aliens living in Canada or in UK, including Jewish refugees who had come to England from the continent at the beginning of the war or immediately before, and were summarily deported to Canada as enemy aliens (volume 1).  This has also been made into a film by the same name by Neal Livingston, Black River Productions, Mabou, Nova Scotia, Canada, in 1993.  In the film there is a lot of footage of the Jewish refugees themselves speaking.  There is a long list of the people named in the index at the end of volume 2, so it is easy to find people.   Photos included.  Lots of detail.
   
Baddiel, David.  The Secret Purposes.  2004.  This is a historical novel.  David's grandfather was interned in WW2 as a German Jew on the Isle of Man.  He is interested in recovering this hidden piece of history and has incorporated insights from his family's story into this novel.  I heard him interviewed on CBC radio about it today - Dec.11/05.

Dove, Richard, ed.  'Totally un-English'?  Britain's Internment of 'Enemy Aliens' in Two World Wars.  Amsterdam/New York:  Rodopi, 2005.  214 pp.
Series: Yearbook of the Research Centre for German & Austrian Exile Studies 7.  Scholarly.  Available in libraries, and horribly expensive to buy.  (Note to Keith:  It includes one WW2 Italian article by Sponza.)  http://www.rodopi.nl/ntalpha.asp?BookId=EXILE+7&type=new&letter=W

Cresswell, Yvonne M., ed.  Living with the Wire: Civilian Internment in the Isle of Man during the two World Wars.  Pub: Manx National Heritage (1994).   ISBN 0-901106-35-6

Kochan, Miriam  Prisoners of England.  1980

Chappell, Connery.  Island of Barbed Wire: The Remarkable Story of World War Two Internment on the Isle of Man     Robert Hale:  2005.  ISBN: 0709077548.

LaFitte, F.  The internment of aliens.  ‘A very remarkable book… In its pages of close research, political analysis and agonized reporting lay a story which made the British wince with shame’ - Observer  The author was a professor of Social Policy at University of Birmingham.

Article discussing LaFitte's work and background, in English:
http://www.cercles.com/n11/deakin.pdf

Koop, Allen.  Stark Decency.  pub.1980s, University of New England Press.  Concerns an internment camp in New Hampshire.

"Diary of an Internment", White Pelican Summer 1974.  About experience by German internees in Canada.  I think this may be a journal.  Referenced in Ted Jones' book, volume 1.

Der Rabbi Mit Der Axt / Dreissig Geschichten.  published and edited by Herta Hartmanshenn and Frederick Kriegel, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, 1973.  Short story or stories based on internment experience.  Referenced in Ted Jones book, , v.1, p.174

John Joseph KELLY, The Prisoner of War Experience in Canada, 1939-1947. 

Perin, Roberto, co-editor.  Enemies Within:  Italian and Other Internees in Canada and Abroad.   

Article from Toronto Star, 1 April 2007, page A5, "Ship of memories, good and bad" re: Italian-Canadian internments in Canada, http://www.thestar.com/article/198190  (The link may die, but you can always trace the article.)

Moota - Camp 103:  The Story of a Cumbrian Prisoner of War Camp.  by Gloria Edwards of the Kirkgate Museum Group, Cockermouth:  Little Bird Publications, 2005.  46pages.  ISBN 0 9551845 0 9.  The author is interested in preserving any additional stories of persons who were in this camp in the local Records Office.  She can be reached at High Moor House, Hill St., Cockermouth, Cumbria CA13 OAU. 

Müller-Härlin, Anna. 'Fred Uhlman’s internment drawings'. In Behr, Shulamith; Malet, Marian (ed.), Arts in exile in Britain, 1933-1945 : politics and cultural identity (Yearbook of the Research Centre for German and Austrian Exile Studies, 6) (Amsterdam: Rodopi, 2005), 135-63.

Brinson, Charmian. '"Keine verlorene Zeit" : Musik im britischen Fraueninternierungslager Rushen'' ["No time lost": music in Rushen Womens' Internment Camp] In Rohde-Juechtern, Anne-Christine (ed.), Echolos? Klangwelten verfolgter Musikerinnen in der NS-Zeit. (Bielefeld: Aisthesis-Verlag, 2003).

Additional bibliography (and some overlap) can be found here:  http://www.gov.im/mnh/heritage/library/bibliographies/internment.xml

Note:  some interned in Britain were also sent to Australia, Canada,  and possibly other parts of the Commonwealth, so there are other places you can look.




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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Need help in Hendon/Barnet
« on: Wednesday 30 November 05 23:41 GMT (UK)  »
Harry (William) West, widower, died in a hospital in or near East Finchley between 1948 and 1953, most likely around 1950.  This we know from family story except no one can remember exactly when.
I find no record at 1837online.
I am trying to find out which archive I can send an email to, where someone might look up the local source for me.   But I can't seem to figure out where to send my email.
I know I should know this, but I just can't seem to find it.
Help desperately needed.

thanks,
Loo in Canada

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The Common Room / Completed.
« on: Sunday 13 November 05 20:37 GMT (UK)  »
I have been looking for a death listing for Henry Ernst August LEOPOLD (aka “Fritz”), who, as I was told by a family member, died in 1929.  I can't find him at 1837online.  I would expect he would have died in Walthamstow (is that West Ham?), but I really don't know, as people can die anywhere.  He must be out there somewhere.  Any clues most welcome.  He would have been in the range of 68 years, and had been a hairdresser.

thank you

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The Common Room / Problems with BritishOrigins.com ??
« on: Thursday 10 November 05 07:16 GMT (UK)  »
Is anyone else having trouble with the censuses from Origins?  The other day, it would not let me see the image;  I just got a blue circular symbol.  Now, today, it shows me an image, but it is so small (and also sideways) that I couldn't possibly read it - the image has been turned 1/4 clockwise, and the symbols which would normally allow you to blow it up are not showing up at all.

I am fairly fed up.  I am wondering if there is another source for the 1871 and 1841 censuses that anyone would reccomend, because I sure don't want any more of thes one

thanks,
Loo 

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