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Hi there,

This is a long shot... but I have hit a brick wall and could use some help to get started again.

My GGGG Grandfather William Elliot was illegitimate. He was born in 1811 in Castleton to Isabella Aitchison and Thomas Elliot.  I am wondering how to find out more about Thomas Elliot.  He is listed on William's death certificate as a Shepherd.  He is not listed as deceased on William's death certificate, but that could just be because the family didn't know if he was alive or dead at the time.

If anyone has any ideas of where to start, I'd be more than grateful.

Cheers,
Clare

Hi all,

I have been having a serious clear out, and have some back issues of Your Family Tree magazine that I am happy to pass on.  I have the following issues to offer, complete with the cover CD.  I have given a rough idea of what is in each issue and on the CD.  Please note some of the CD applications only have sample rather than full data.  If you want any more info on any of the issues, just PM me.

Issue 2 - August 2003
Q&A - ask the experts, Domestic Service
NO CD for this one - sorry

Issue 4 - November 2003
Finding Long Lost relatives, Canal Workers
On CD - Cumberland Family Tree 3.12 SE, Post Office London trades 1846, FotoSlate 2

Issue 6 - Christmas 2003
Interpret old photographs, Gravestones
On CD - Embla Family Treasures 4.2.2, Group Mail Pro 2.5, Liverpool 1848 Sample data

Issue 9 - March 2004
UK Census Records, Italian Ancestors
On CD - Embla Family Treasures 5, UK Records Index, Wolverhampton 1851 Trade directories

Issue 10 - April 2004
Do you have blue blood?, Welsh ancestors
On CD - DijiAlbum 3.11, Shaw's Dublin City Directory 1850

Issue 12 - June 2004
Military Medals, 10 best records you've never tried
On CD - PagePlus 6, Post Office Directory for Glasgow 1869 -70

Issue 13 - July 2004
Crime & Punishment, Railway Workers
On CD - Photoplus 6, Pdf995 Suite, Norwich & King's Lynn 1845-46 Trade directories

Issue 15 - September 2004
Guide to Wills, adoption
On CD - Readiris Pro 6, Ogilvy's Road Maps 1675

Issue 17 - November 2004
Finding and using Censuses and Certificates, Putting family tree on the web
On CD - Website world, Gloucester 1861 census, Gloucester 1850 Trade Directories

Issue 20 - January 2005
Turn research into a book, Online Trade directories, Isle of Man
On CD - How to write the history of a family, Morpheus 1.85, Belfast 1846 Directory

Issue 23 - April 2005
1861 Census, Domesday Book
On CD - Thom's Irish Directory 1884, Your Family Tree issue 1 (digital format), Wiltshire Trade directory 1848

Issue 25 - June 2005
Why aren't they on the census?, Online costs compared
On CD - Goldwave 5.10, Burke's peerage Yorkshire sampler, Stoke Trade directory samples

Issue 26 - July 2005
How to find a grave, FreeBMD
On CD - Master Index - 20 Million names, Leeds sample data

Issue 32 - Christmas 2005
Company Records, 50 software solutions
On CD - Family Tree Maker 2006 SE, Edinburgh Property Owners 1635, History of Parish Registers in England

Issue 33 - January 2006
Solve your family history mysteries, trade union records, Channel Island Ancestors
On CD - Page Plus 7, Indian Army and Civil Service list 1861

Issue 34 - February 2006
Death Records
On CD - London Directories, Photo Plus 7, eDocXL 3.9 SE, Leamington data

Issue 38 - June 2006
Census Special - 1841 to 1891
On CD - PagePlus 8, Lancashire directories, Cumberland Listings

Issue 40 - August 2006
Religious records
On CD - FlipAlbum Suite 5.5, Connaught 1846 directory

Issue 42 - October 2006
Genealogy on your PC, Immigrant Ancestors
On CD - Industrial Directory for Scotland 1939, Mutiny Magazines

Issue 43 - Autumn 2006
Records of the Poor, DNA & Family Trees, Getting Started online
On CD - Parloc 2.6, 85,000 Lancashire Listings, Cleanerzoomer 1.01

Cover price is £4.99, but I am happy to pass them on for £2 each, plus £1 postage and packing - if anyone is interested.

Cheers,
Clare

Hi all,

I am having some issues sorting out my Murrays in Hawick.  I think I have some conflicting evidence in certificates and census records (so what's new?!!), and I am hoping that by putting it all down in writing here either I can work it out myself or some of you wonderful people can help sort  it out.

Here goes...

My GGG Grandmother was Ann(a) Murray born circa 1854 in Hawick (have never found a birth record unfortunately).  Her marriage and death certs both show father as David Murray and Helen Murray, previously Clark, maiden surname Hardie.  So far so good...

I have Helen Murray nee Hardie's death certificate, which mentions no marriage to anyone called Clark, but this is possibly unknown to George Murray, her son who registered the death.

So to census records - my issue is matching the correct children to the correct parents as I think that Helen Hardie may have been David Murray's 2nd wife.  There is no mention of a previous wife, but the census records seem to suggest this.  I cannot find any record of marriages for David Murray and Helen Hardie/Clark or births of the children in the OPRs which is also frustrating. 

David Murray died in 1860, so I started by looking for 1851 census, and found the following in Hawick:

David      Murray   Head        aged 50 (correct age to agree with death cert)
Helen      Murray   Wife         aged 36 (again seems correct for death cert)
James     Murray   Son          aged 20 (seems a little old to be Helen's)
George    Murray   Son          aged 8
Isabella   Murray   Daughter   aged 2
Robert     Hardie    Brother-in-law (presumably Helen's brother)
Martha    Hardie    Sister-in-law (possibly Robert's wife?)

In 1861 however, we find Helen as expected in Hawick, but the family are not quite as expected...

Helen      Hardie    Head              aged 46
James     Murray   Stepson          aged 30  (agrees with 1851)
George    Murray   Stepson          aged 18
Isabella   Murray   Stepdaughter  aged 12
Ann        Murray   Stepdaughter  aged 8
Janet      Murray   servant           aged 14
Betsy      Hardie    Sister             aged 28   
Margaret Hardie    Daughter        aged 4 (Betsy's daughter?)
Helln       Hardie    Daughter        aged 2mo (again, Betsy's daughter?)

And going back to 1841 the most likely candidate seems to be the following, again in Hawick:

David     Murray   aged 40
David     Murray   aged 20
William   Murray  aged 15
Andrew  Murray   aged 15
James    Murray   aged 10

So which kids are actually Helen's?  And who was the mother of the rest of them?  And who was Helen's first husband?

To complicate matters, the 1851 census suggests that David Murray was born in Ireland, but the 1841 says he was born in the county.  I am getting to the point where I am not sure how to untangle them all

All help/thoughts/suggestions are welcome

Cheers,
Clare

 Hi there,

I am looking for any trace of one of my Elliot families, who I lose track of after 1893.  I am not sure if they left Scotland for England, Canada or Austalia (or anywhere else), but if anyone has seen any of them, I would be grateful for any pointers.

Details are as follows:
James Elliot (b. 22 March 1848 - parents William Elliot and Catherine/Christian Crozier) married Margaret Murray (b. ca 1854 - parents John Murray and Davina Lunn) on 6th Dec 1872 in Castleton, ROX.

They had the following children:
Devina - 11/01/1873 to 10/05/1896
William - died as infant in 1874
John -  died as infant in 1874 (twin of William above)
William - b. ca 1875
Catherine -  b. ca 1877
Elizabeth Murray - b. 22 May 1878
John - b ca 1880
Mary Cowan - b. 22 Aug 1882
Margaret - b. 3 Jan 1885
Agnes Jane  - 17 Oct 1887
Margaret Nicol - 14 May 1893

Has anyone come across any members of this family?  I lose track of them after the birth of Margaret Nicol Elliot.  I certainly cannot locate them in the 1891 census in Scotland so can only assume that they have moved.

Cheers,
Clare

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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,176849.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,178323.0.html

Hi there,

Can anyone help me with the occupation on this census image?  I know the first word is Woollen, but after that, I am not sure what the abbreviation is.

Cheers,
Clare