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England / Lost Records?
« on: Thursday 05 January 17 20:14 GMT (UK)  »
I am not really sure where to post this as it covers England, Scotland and Ireland!

I am helping a friend try to discover her birth family and with the help of dna we have made a good start. Her birth mother was also adopted and We are pretty sure we have identified her birth parents as the husband was lost at sea and had a very distinctive name so has been easily found. we have also found a marriage for him so know the name of the birth mother. However tragically his wife gave birth two years later .... Possibly to twins ..... And died in childbirth. Her husband was drowned at sea shortly afterwards. The rumour goes that the family couldnt cope with bringing up two babies, so they kept one and had the other, a girl, adopted. Now the problem starts. We can find a birth for a boy in the right quarter and the right year (and again a distinctive name) BUT NOT RECORDS which register the other birth or the mothers death. This is probably in Hammersmith, London, but the mother was Irish and the father Scottish!! The adoption was arranged by an adoption society in London so guessing it should have been registered there.

So ...... Where do we look next? Were a lot of records destroyed in that area during the blitz? Its all stopped just as we got started!!  :-\ any suggestions gratefully received.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / DNA Ethnicity results
« on: Monday 02 January 17 12:29 GMT (UK)  »
I have been trawling through old posts and spotted a few where people are baffled by their ethnicity results as they don't identify with, for example, a European connection.

I thought I would just share my scenario in the hope that it might help others. Many years ago an elderly Aunt threw out in conversation "Well of course you know that we have a lapsed Jewess in the family don't you?" .... I remember feeling quite shocked at the time, it seemed like a racist comment ........ and I didnt give it much more thought. However it got me wondering - I am fair skinned (and freckly) and take after my father in complexion. My mother had a more olive skin, and dark hair and so did her brother. We always thought that they resembled her father who had similar colouring. Granny was grey haired and pale skinned so we didnt put her into the equation as we only had black and white photos and couldnt see what here colouring was.

AFter a while I started exploring my mother's family tree in more detail..... and discovered that her mother's father had married Caroline Leah Rubey ........ that started ringing bells - Leah is a Jewish name, and so is Rubey ...... further investigation revealed that it was SHE who had married outside of her Jewish faith and I eventually discovered other family trees which listed her mother's family tree and it seemed to go back to Spain/Italy and even Morocco. How could I be sure? I left it for years, but had my DNA tested just before Christmas. Back came the results ..... I am 40 percent British, 23 per cent Irish (still looking for that link!) and 32 per cent European West - the map showed exactly the right area in the paper trail, so for me it has confirmed that I do actually have the right person in my tree. And then I realised ...... what I thought was a racist remark by my Aunt wasnt racist at all...... she was much older than my Mum and had apparently paid for her to be evacuated early on in the war..... because of course they all had Jewish blood ...... and she was downright scared. Makes so much sense now.

Now I just have to unravel the Irish connection - my father always thought there was one but I cannot find it - interesting though that when I visited Dublin about 18 months ago the man next to me in the theatre asked which part of Ireland I came from, and would not have it that I was English!! He just kept saying "Are you sure you are not Irish?" Lol! Isnt this exciting?

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Devon / WARREN and Lake families of Devon
« on: Wednesday 04 May 11 05:26 BST (UK)  »
I am researching the Warren and Lake families in Devon (Bishopsteignton, Chudleigh, Milton Abbott area) and photographed a few tombstones whilst I was visiting at Easter. Not all of them are my direct ancestors so if anyone else here is hunting these names, let me know and I will see if I have anything.

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Devon / St Thomas Lunatic Asylum, Exeter
« on: Wednesday 04 May 11 05:24 BST (UK)  »
One of my ancestors was a patient at St Thomas Lunatic Asylum, Exeter in the 1860's and died in 1864. Does anyone know of any records available for this building for that time? She turned up there on the 1861 census but I don't know where to start looking for her grave, if she had one. We visited the area over Easter but couldn't find any trace of her in her home village or surrounding area (Milton Abbott, Chudleigh etc) and couldn't even find a proper address on Satnav for St Thomas Asylum even though we found on the internet that it still exists.

Anyone have any ideas?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Why two marriage dates?
« on: Monday 07 March 11 09:22 GMT (UK)  »
I have found documentation relating to an ancestors marriage but the dates are different. One set of documents states that the marriage is in August and the other on 26 December of the same year. The documents are available to see in their original form on Ancestry. Does anyone know why this would happen?

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Somerset / Dr Campbells Index
« on: Saturday 05 March 11 08:09 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone have access to Dr Campbell's Index please?

I am looking for Jane Bailey, born c 1790 in Merriott, Somerset.  (she  was married to John James Thorn whose death is registered at Sherborne, Dorset, and their son's birth was registered Marston Magna. However I have found them in 1841 living in Bruton, Somerset).

If anyone has Dr C's Index, I would be really grateful if they could have a look to see if she is there as I cannot find her parents.

Many thanks in anticipation!

eta- Apologies - just realised that I have posted this in Look Up offers instead of Look Up Requests. Perhaps a moderator could move it for me? Bow, scrape, bow, scrape ......  :-*

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Hertfordshire / HALEs of Therfield
« on: Wednesday 23 February 11 22:34 GMT (UK)  »
Is anyone on here researching the Hale family of Therfield, near Royston? I have gone down several twists and turns on this family and ended up at one point with my husband supposedly being descended from royalty but I am pretty sure that is not the case!  ;D

I have got as far back as Thomas Hale born 1617 (d 1656) and married to Ann or Annis but cannot get back further because I cannot find his parents in Therfield. The nearest I can find is at Watton at Stone and I think that is a different branch.


My tree so far is:
Henry George Hale (1918-1993) -m- Valerie Ada Alicia Woodman
HGH father was Henry B Hale (b1880) who married Frances Hatfield
HBH father was Isaac Hale (1839-1903) who married Elizabeth Nichols
IH father was James Hale (b1806 Royston) who married Emma Wolsey
(the above I know to be absolutely correct as I have certificates and family photos - the information below is based on IGI records so far)

I believe James Hale's father to also be James Hale (born April 1777) married to Sarah Anderson
JH's father was I believe Samuel Hale, married to Elizabeth James ( no birth dates, but in Therfield)
SH's father was I believe Samuel Hale, (b 1706 Therfield) married to Ann Chapman
SH's father was I believe Samuell Hale (b1667 Royston married to Margaret Fordham)
SH's father was I believe, John Hale (b1646 and married to Elizabeth)
JH's father was I believe, Thomas Hale, (B 1616, d 1656) and married to Ann or Annis
IGI record gives a Hale born 1595 as Thomas Hale's father but no other clues.

And there I am stuck and I have no proof that the latter part of the tree is actually correct either, but have made assumptions due to the fact that I can find no other Hales in Therfield which fit the dates.

Anyone?

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Jewish ancestors
« on: Sunday 20 February 11 20:31 GMT (UK)  »
I am not really sure where to post this so, moderators, please move it where you will!!

There was always a story in my family about my mother's grandmother who was a lapsed Jewess and married outside of her faith, so I have been trying to trace her back. Her name was Caroline Leah Ruby born in 1830 in Shoreditch and married to Charles Eaton (b 1829 approx). I have managed to trace her mother's ancestors back to the 17th century and think this ties in with the Spanish inquisition as it seems her family fled Spain/Portugal and settled in London. (her mother was Rachel Vanano).

I am totally stuck on the Ruby side of the family though. I have found Joseph Ruby (born 1796, occupation chimney sweep) married to Rachel Vanano and his brother Thomas (also a sweep and born around 1800). I THINK his parents were Joseph Ruby and Elisabeth but I have no more information than that. No birth or death dates and my only clue is that his son Joseph married Rachel Vanano in Middlesex so I guess they were already settled.

My question is this - where is the best place to look now? I have found some Jewish synagogue records which have helped with Rachel Vanano, but nothing turned up for "Ruby". Is it likely that this name was actually something else, like Ruben, or Reuben but was changed on entry to England?

This is becoming increasingly interesting and now makes sense of why my mother had skin which went as brown as a berry in the sun (whilst I stayed pale and interesting!), and had blue black hair (as did her brother, and one of my cousins). I have obviously taken after my father's side of the family with pale skin and freckles! My daughter has a combination of the two and is often asked which country she comes from! (Watford, England!!!)

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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Bedfordshire / Tombstone records in Odell
« on: Thursday 10 February 11 07:03 GMT (UK)  »
Someone on here posted the website address of a link showing photos of tombstones across the country, but stupidly, I didn't bookmark it at the time. Can anyone remind me of it please?

I am looking for "Haddens" or "Haddons" from Odell, Beds - some of them appear to have been lacemakers (oddly enough, my mother took up lacemaking in her 60's, completely oblivious at the time that her ancestors had done this for a living!)

I have got as far back as George Hadden (b 1804) who married Jane Rodgers. Someone helped me trace back to his mother who was named as Ann Hadden but there seemed to be no evidence of marriage and we are assuming that he was therefore illegitimate. Just wondering if I can find a tombstone for Ann which might help me out!

Many thanks - the tombstone link would help out in all my research actually!

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