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England / Lost in 1841 between Kendal and Liverpool
« on: Wednesday 31 January 18 22:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Mary Ellen Coulton was born in Kendal in 1823 to George Coulton, a heavy drinking shoemaker who was often in trouble with the law, and Mary Derome, a Roman Catholic who converted her husband to the faith.

In 1842 Mary Ellen (going by Ellen, as she did for most of her life) is living on Dale Street in Liverpool. She marries Thomas Moore, a shoemaker, and moves out to Crosby with him where she appears in the 1851 and 1861 censuses before her death in 1870.

Her parents remained in Kendal throughout the various censuses. She only had one sibling who reached adulthood, and he remained there, too.

So.... Where is she in 1841? Can't find her on any Liverpool census returns at all. Or Kendal ones. Please help!!

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Lancashire / Liverpool shoe shop c1810s-40s?
« on: Tuesday 30 January 18 20:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hi!

Family legend dictates that, as well as being shoemakers, two of my father and son ancestors also operated a shoe shop somewhere in Liverpool, possibly Dale Street. I've got all of their details from censuses, burial records, marriage and baptism records, but have never found any details of a shop. Does anyone have access to any Trade directories of the time?

The family's movements are shown below:

C1793 John Moore born.
1813 John Moore, now a cordwainer, marries at St. James' Church, Toxteth. He is 'of the parish' of Walton on the Hill
1815 John is a shoemaker in West Derby when his son, Thomas, is baptised there at St. Mary's Church
1817 John is still a shoemaker. The family are now living in Fazakerley but return to St. Mary's to baptise their daughter, Mary
1834 John, still a shoemaker, dies. He had been living in Thornton and is buried in Sefton
1839 Daughter Mary can be found living on Bostock Street in Liverpool when she married. A child is born to Mary and her husband out in Sefton later that year.
1841 Both John's children are now in Sefton Village at the same address. Thomas is a shoemaker.
1842 Thomas is a shoemaker living on Bostock Street in Liverpool when he marries Ellen of Dale Street at St. Nicholas Church
1843 Thomas is a cordwainer in Great Crosby when his son is baptised there at St. Luke's
1845 Thomas remains in Great Crosby when his second son is baptised. First at Sefton, and then again a few months later at St. Luke's.
1848 still a Great Crosby cordwainer when daughter baptised at St. Lukes
1851 still a Great Crosby shoemaker when son baptised at the same place. The census of this year has the family in Great Crosby village
1854 now living in Waterloo, but still a shoemaker, and still baptised this final child at St. Luke's. Interestingly, the baptism takes place six months after the birth
1856 Thomas, a 'boot and shoemaker' dies in Great Crosby

And that's that. None of his children became shoemakers. Did he ever have a shop? Is the story true? Any help gratefully appreciated!

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England / James Donohue and family in censuses 1871 onwards...
« on: Monday 25 July 16 11:49 BST (UK)  »
James Donohue - whose parents and family were farm labourers - was born in 1845 in Bellevue (near Nenagh), Tipperary and apparently moved to England where he married and had at least two children - two sons (who later grew up to be lawyers). Their names may well come from James' own family, suggesting Michael, William or Edward might be among them.

James later apparently left his family and returned home to Ireland where he lived out his days. His sons remained in England.

This is what was told later by his niece and great-niece. However, I have never seen any records relating to him following his 1845 baptism. Can anyone locate any possibilities on UK censuses?

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England / Tracking down two English lawyers born to an Irishman
« on: Thursday 21 July 16 14:49 BST (UK)  »
I'm wondering if anyone can help with this odd search.

My Grandad's Uncle was one James Donohue, born in Lisquillibeen in North Tipperary, Ireland, and who moved slightly North to Belleview with his family as a boy. He was baptised 14th March 1845. He never appears in any family records or as a godparent to any of his nephews/neices suggesting he may have left Ireland quite early on. However, a note written by his great niece - the family historian - many years later (around 1990), and shortly before her death, states that;

"James Donohue went to England. I know he had two boys because they befriended someone I know. Somwhere they were attorneys. He left his wife and family came back to be a burden on his sister in law."

Now, I've never been able to locate a death record in the Tipperary area for James, but I assume he must appear on one or two English censuses. Also, are there lists of attorneys/lawyers from the early/mid 1900s? Can anyone point me in the right direction on trying to solve this tricky conundrum...?


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Cheshire / John Shaw Torrington b. 1825 Manchester Cathedral
« on: Friday 26 February 16 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

  Trying to find an address where the family of John Shaw Torrington might have lived at some point. He enlisted in the Navy before the 1841 census I think, but had been baptised at Manchester Cathedral in December 1825. Haven't found his parents in the 1841 census, but am keen to know if any address can be located for John Shaw himself, or any of his siblings.

  Huge thanks!

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Tipperary / Catherine "Kate" Nevin (Nenagh, 1905 - 1930s...?)
« on: Tuesday 06 October 15 10:16 BST (UK)  »
Wondering if anyone can help trace a lost ancestor of mine?

Catherine "Kate" Nevin was born 18th March 1905 at Annagh, Terryglass parish, near Nenagh, Co. Tipperary, baptised a day later at Terryglass Church, and registered on the 28th April. Her parents were Frank and Mary. Frank was a labourer.

She was the 10th of 12 children, following Mary, Bridget, Patrick, Martin, Honora, Francis, Michael, Letitia and Julia, and preceeding Margaret and James.

She can be found on the 1911 census here - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilbarron/Annagh/836445/

My Nan - her niece (via Michael) was born in 1921 and remembers Kate visiting them in a local shop which my Nan's mother owned and worked at. My Nan has always estimated that Kate who "had a bad heart" died around 1935 and hadn't been married, but I can find no reference to an appropriate death record anywhere on the Irish records.

Just wondering if anyone wanted to have a go at finding the details of Kate's later years...?

Many thanks!

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United States of America / John Fitzgerald and Mary Nevin m. Manhattan 1917 (she from Tipperary)
« on: Tuesday 29 September 15 09:20 BST (UK)  »
My Great Grandfather's oldest sister, Mary Nevin, was born in Frolic, Monsea near Nenagh, Tipperary in 1888. Her parents were Francis Nevin (b. 1859), a labourer from Woodford, Galway and Mary Meara (b. 1869 Cloughjordan) a servant. Mary Nevin was one of twelve children born between 1888 and 1911.

Mary was also the only one to emigrate. My Grandmother stated she was told that she emigrated to America and was never heard from again. I'd always been interested in finding out what happened to her, but a relative found a death record for a "Mary Navin born Borrisokane Oct-Dec 1888 who died in Westport between Oct-Dec 1911 at the age of 23" which seemed to settle that, what with Westport being potentially "on the way" to America. Mary was still at home with her parents in 1901 but had left by 1911. We've never conclusively found her in the 1911 - in Ireland at least.

But now a new record has emerged suggesting that Mary *did* make it to America. It's a marriage record from 26th November 1917 in Manhattan and the bride and groom are John J. Fitzgerald (son of Joseph Fitzgerald and Mary McElroy, from Providence R.I.) and Mary Nevin (daughter of Francis Nevin and Mary O'Meara from Ireland). I think the coincidence is too great for this not to be 'my' Mary.

Unfortunately, after this the trail runs cold and I can't find John and Mary and/or any potential children in any set of records anywhere. I'd expect them (or at least one of them!) to be in 1920 census, but can find nothing.

Can anyone find any clues as to what happened next?

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Tipperary / Michael Stapleton of Sedgemoor (Knigh) and Ms. Hogan
« on: Thursday 24 September 15 12:28 BST (UK)  »
A google search turned up this. Michael Stapleton was my Great, Great Grandfather and supposedly a "very kindly man". Obviously this is now open to question so I was wondering if anyone can give any advice on how to research this further!

Huge thanks in advance:

Nenagh News (Nenagh, Ireland), Saturday, January 28, 1905, Page 3

The people of Ardcroney are about building a house for the poor imbecile woman named Hogan, against whom an ejectment decree was obtained at the lJst Quarter Sessions by Michael Stapleton , of Sedgemoor

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Cheshire / Elizabeth Williams (b.c.1845/6 Birkenhead)
« on: Tuesday 15 September 15 10:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

  Just wondering if anyone had details for Elizabeth's baptism? I believe she was born in Birkenhead 1845/6 and that her father was George Williams, a boilermaker. Trying to track down details of him, so I suppose he'd be in the 1841 (and 1851?) census, but haven't found him yet...

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