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Travelling People / Keenan/Berry/Knowles/McKenzie/Hutchinson travelers names in Cumberland, ENG?
« on: Saturday 21 January 17 18:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all:
I have been doing some research into the origins of some of my relatives from Cumberland, ENG.
For some, like the Berry's, I have found evidence (e.g. occupations listed as horse dealers and fortune tellers, living in tents) even following immigration to the USA (e.g. PA census 1901).
With others such as the Keenan's I see they immigrated from Down, IRL in the 1845 timeline and some were listed as hawkers. John Keenan;b.1835;IRL eventually established a china shop in Cockermouth, ENG that lasted until the 1970's. He apparently sold some of the pots/china produced by the McKenzie's his in-laws. The Hutchinson's were basket makers. The Knowles also appear to be travelers and intermarried into the Keenan family many times.
Some of the first Keenan marriages noted in Cumberland were: Bernard Doran and Susannah Keenan, John Keenan and Elizabeth McKenzie, Susanna Keenan and John Watterson, then James Boyd, Ann Keenan and John Burns.
Other Keenan's seemed to stay in the coal mining industry for a number of years.
Does anyone have any additional insight into these surnames and their relationship to English Traveler community?
Best regards from Western NY
Chuck Keenan


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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Going from a Y37 marker to a Y67 marker, what is to be gained?
« on: Saturday 21 January 17 16:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all:
I have tested at FT DNA on the Y 37 marker and have one match which is at the second level. It is the closest match I have.
From your experience, what is to be gained if this match and I were to upgrade to the Y67 marker.
 - How much more information re: relatedness would it provide? We have no documentation of any relationship but share the same surname.
- Would it be better to have this match get a autosomal DNA test done that at least measures a degree of relatedness?
Looking forward to your responses. The company indicated I may find which strands match, which doesn't seem to push the information forward.
Sincerely
Chuck

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Down / Baptism notations for John Keenan April 12,1835
« on: Thursday 05 January 17 22:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all:
The following information is from:
The Registry of Catholic Baptisms in the Parishs of Ardkeen and Inishargy , &c.
April 12 (1835 noted previous page) Name of Children: John Keenan, Name of Parent: Felix Keenan, Sponsors; Robert McShane, Lucinda Dorrian; Celebrant: WL

My questions:
- There is space for both parents names but only the father's name is listed. Is this common practice (both names are listed on many others on this same page) or possibly the reflection of a mixed religious marriage?
- Are the sponsors considered the godparents? If so, wasn't this role considered primarily for family?
I have not found any McShane or Dorrian relatives in this Keenan tree although the mother's name is Sarah Jane McQuoid; b. 1814;IRL and one of John's siblings (Susannah) married Bernard Doran;b. 1834, IRL. Doran may be a variation on Dorrian.
- The Celebrant is listed as WL. Does anyone know who this may be?

Thanks in advance.
Chuck

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