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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / A bit of a puzzler
« on: Wednesday 14 April 21 12:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi folks, I'm looking for the collective knowledge on the board to give me an indication if I'm looking in the right area.

Both myself and my mother have had a match (as you'd expect) on MyHeritage with a lady, let's say called May.

My match is 226.9 Cms with 9 segment matches the largest being 56.6Cm
My mum's match is 428.Cms with 9 segments and the largest being 67Cm

May has also confirmed that she has a match with another lady, who we'll call Sunday, as a 1st/2nd cousin once removed.

With Sunday my match is 393.3Cms and my mother's is 524.9Cms.

Age wise Sunday is similar to my mother in their 70s and their common ancestor is a grandfather but different grandmothers.

However May is in her 60s so sits between me and my mother age wise.

With Sunday in the mix it points towards my mother's previously unknown grandfather as being the Lothario, but as I'm struggling with lack of tangible evidence from records a lot of it is guess work.

Geography all ties in very closely - Bilston, Wednesfield, Tettenhall and Dudley areas of Wolverhampton.

I'm leaning towards the common ancestor potentially being my mothers grand father who could be on paper be May's ggrandfather.

My mum's father was born in 1905 in Bilston.

May's grandparents were born:

PGF 1901 in Dudley
PGM 1902 in Dudley
MGF 1907 in Wolverhampton
MGM 1912 in Bilston

I'm leaning towards the mother of the MGM has having an involvement with my mother's newly identified GF as that lady was born in Bilston in 1889 so it starts to tie down the geography even closer. Her official husband was also born there in 1884 and died there in 1960.

I've just checked the 1911 census and they were still living in Bilston then as well as in the 1939 register.

So you can see there are a load of assumptions but does the collective wisdom think I'm on the right track?

Cheers :)


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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Can someone help explain some DNA matches
« on: Tuesday 29 December 20 14:04 GMT (UK)  »
Trying to work out how these results may occur, can someone help keep me sane?

Both my mother and myself have our DNA samples on MyHeritage and I can see her matches as I manage her sample.

Anyway we get the usual matches with each other in regards to known relations - but we've both had a low level match with me having a higher DNA link than my mother to someone who we presume is descended from my mother's maternal gg grandparents as we know some of that part of the family ended up in Utah in 1850s closely involved with the inner circle of the early Mormons.

The first image shows my DNA sample as matching 52.9cm across 3 segments with the largest segment being 24.4cm

Whereas my mother matches 42.5cm across 2 segments with the largest 22.5cm.

How does this work as I'd have thought it would have been normal for my mother to have the higher numbers or am I being stupid on this?

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / My Living DNA Website
« on: Monday 06 April 20 14:12 BST (UK)  »
Just curious if others have uploaded their DNA sample to My Living DNA and got anything useful from it?

I uploaded a sample back in January... and all I get is a couple % on my ancestry .... whoopie do, nothing new there ... and then it tells me they've found no matches.... is it me or is their website really this poor at sharing any DNA information?


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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Why do people bother with DNA tests?
« on: Tuesday 31 March 20 11:03 BST (UK)  »
It amazes me how many people take the test and that's it, they appear not to want to learn or reach out when they get matches...

Over on Myheritage I have 5 interesting matches...

226.9cm over 9 segments (UK based)
87.4cm over 4 segments (US based)
86.7cm over 3 segments (US based)
78.2cm over 4 segments (US based)
68.4cm over 6 segments (UK based)

I've messaged everyone of these people but nothing back at all... the first person above, I've even created a tree to try and work out the relationship but there is nothing obvious .... so I'm guessing there's another black sheep kicking around as it were... all I can find is that this person has 4 relations buried in the cemetery that was 5 minutes walk from the house I first remember as a child... Also I know which side of the family the link is as they also had a match with a first cousin of mine on my maternal side.

On Ancestry I had a match of 398cm over 20 segments and all that person did was confirm they'd seen the match and that he wasn't prepared to share any details of the family who we have just found... suffice to say I'd imagine there must be at least 50-60 cousins of various degrees based on our common ancestor's prolific child producing capability... enough for a football with subs !!!! Thankfully his tree was public but with relatives still alive their identities are masked.

It's just so frustrating trying to unlock the questions.....  :-\




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Family History Beginners Board / Sanity check please... ;D
« on: Thursday 12 March 20 12:14 GMT (UK)  »
In trying to help out a cousin with their family history I've created a bit of a quandary for myself..

Researching my cousin's grandmother I'm finding odd information on the search function of Ancestry.

Grandmother's maiden name was Doris Meese Born circa April 1908 to April 1910

Married a Bernard Francis and had two sons with him - William (Billy) and Brian.

Geographically they lived in and around Birmingham / Wolverhampton.

However, the only marriage information I can find is in 1949 in Surrey.  Which does say under Francis "Bernard WR" and then "Francis or Meese" where the wife's surname appears....

When I search for other records I've found the 1939 General register which has Bernard, Doris and Billy Francis living in Streetly  and it's dated the 29/9/1939 and the birth dates match up with what I've been given.

BUT

I've also found the Register of Electors dated 16/10/1939 (although that may be the publication date) which shows a Bernard and Doris Meese living in Handsworth which is about 8 miles from Streetly.

Gut feeling tells me these are the same people who for some reason are using their surnames to perhaps hide identities....

Does anyone have any ideas how I can confirm or not my findings...

What is also strange is that another son of Doris (not Bernard's) born in 1932 was not listed on the general register... perhaps being looked after by another relative?

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Armed Forces / Seems like I've got Confused...
« on: Thursday 20 February 20 11:05 GMT (UK)  »
My gggrandfather was a Patrick Gillespie.

I believe he was in the Norfolk Regiment 9th Foot - Regiment number 3342 and I also have a note that he was born in 1835.

But when checking my ancestry tree I have an entry saved for him:

Birth year   1841
Birth parish   Carnmore
Birth town   Galway
Service number   3342
Rank   SERGEANT
Regiment   Norfolk Regiment - 9th Foot
Attestation age years   18
Discharge corps   9th Reg Of Foot
Series   Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army

Which all looks fine but linked with the above for some reason I have his attestation date as being 4th Sept 1859, now this is where I'm confused.

Patrick Gillespie 3342 is listed on the war medal roll for the Crimean War receiving the Crimea medal with the Alma and Inkerman clasps which were battles fought on the 20th Sept and 5th Nov 1854 !!

I no longer have my membership to FOLD3 to check the details again and was hoping some kindly soul can put me straight and confirm his attestation date and the DOB they have recorded because if it is 1841 that would have made him only 13 for the Crimean war which seems highly unlikely.

Felling a little confuddled at the moment ! :)

This is another ancestor who seems to have very little information recorded but looks like was an interesting character as I put some notes down saying:

Recorded as being 5'9" when in the Army, was also in Malta, Canada, Cape of Good Hope, Corfu, England and Ireland, was also court marshaled for unofficial leave of his camp as well as for drunkeness.

I think I must have got that from UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920 when I had access... (should take screen shots in future!).

So I am trying to get as much accurate information as possible.


With thanks

SS


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Armed Forces / Identifying a uniform
« on: Tuesday 05 November 19 20:31 GMT (UK)  »
Not sure if this is the place, but I'm trying to identify the uniform this gent is wearing. Is it military? Or a police uniform?

I think the pictures were taken between the WW 1 and 2. Most likely in the Wolverhampton or Birmingham locale.

I believe him to be one of my ggrandfather's.  As one of my grandfather's birth certificates has his father unlisted. But thanks to DNA tests and coincidence through the 1901 census makes him the most likely candidate.

Is anyone able to help on the uniform please?

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Other Countries / India - South Africa and Brazil Mystery
« on: Tuesday 02 April 19 12:49 BST (UK)  »
I'm hoping someone with more skill than myself can help.

I am trying to find out information on my Great Grandfather who seems to have carved out interesting life for himself.

From the records I have his full name is Michael Patrick Gillespie - born either in Ireland or Great Yarmouth. I have found via the internet a Michael Patrick Gillespie born in Ireland in 1874 - which is his birth year - the date given is 31st March 1874 to parents Patrick Gillespie and Margaret Brown (Gillespie).

However I have found a census record of a Michael P Gillespie from 1911 living in Aldershot with his mother who is named as Alice T Gillespie and a sister called Jane McGuire.  But this MP Gillespie has stated his birth town as being Great Yarmouth. But the rank listed matches with other information I have along with the age. 

My Grandfather asked the General Records Office for his father's birth certificate (Michael Patrick Gillespie), in 1948, stating that his father was born in Great Yarmouth to which they replied they could find nothing and had searched between 1870 to 1874 inc. So it appears my GF thought his father was born there.

I also know based on another letter from the War Office that they state that No. 5268 Quarter Master Sergeant Michael Patrick Gillespie served in the British Army between 1890 and 1911 in the Lincolnshire Regiment although I believe he was actually in the Leicester Regiment based on a photograph of him in dress uniform with his medals - the insignia on his collar is not a Sphinx (Lincs) but looks like the tiger of the Leics.  I've also found that he received a DCM in the Boer War having being involved in action at Ladysmith and that record states the Lincs who co-incidentally were based in India.

I have a copy of a certificate saying he married a Kathleen Burke in India on the 27th May 1905 - the following year my GF was born - Terence Patrick Gillespie 30th May 1906.

Somehow though he returns to the UK and leaves Kathleen and my grandfather in India (I think) appearing again in the 1911 census in Aldershot.

Then the next thing I can find he has married again, 29th September 1913 in Pernambuco Brazil to a Sophia Elisa De Macedo - The have a daughter Dorinha Patricia born 1st August 1914 and Elisa dies in childbirth. Dorinha then appears on a ships passenger list when she's 7 arriving in the UK with MPG but he appears to go back to Brazil on his own toing and froing until 1924 and I believe he dies in 1925/6 in Pernambuco but there is no death certificate etc. The next I can see of Dorinha is her getting married to Ivor Fredericks in Ipswich in 1939.

To add to this my aunt believes he married Sophia whilst still married to Kathleen.

So to summarise I’m hoping someone can:

1)   Confirm his date and location of birth
2)   Confirm who his parents were - Patrick and either Margaret Brown or Alice T xxxxx and any other information on this line
3)       Help with any information as to where he signed up and ended up in India
4)   Say when and where he died
5)   Help with any other information Kathleen (Burke)
6)   Say what he was doing in Brazil from 1912 to when he died
7)   Tell me did he have any further relationships and family

I know it’s a big ask but he seems as though he was an interesting character and certainly had some secrets and any other information would be welcomed.

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