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Hello Again
I hope that it is not too much of an imposition to ask for the help of this great group again? I received such a huge amount of assistance before that it was possible to complete the thread and make contact with living family members.
This time my query is linked, in that the above named was the son of a Violet Harvie Sweet who in 1910/1911 was being divorced by her then husband Frank Turner citing Sidney Rowe as co-respondent. Subsequently Violet and Sydney were said ( in the divorce papers) to be cohabiting in Auckland under the name of Harvey/Harvey. Violet gave birth to a son Winton Herbert Ryan in 1911 some 5 or 6 months after the divorce was finalised. The father's name was not recorded on his birth certificate so I am uncertain whether he was the child of Sidney Rowe ( who may also have been calling himself Ryan) or of her husband Frank Turner. He went by the name Ryan all his life although in 1935 he changed it to Turner by Deed Poll. He never used the surname Turner even in what became a distinguished military career, so it is a mystery as to why he changed it.
In 1914 she gave birth to a second son, Edwin William Ryan and on the birth certificate the father was recorded as Sydney (presumably Ryan).
Violet and Sidney/Sydney Rowe/Ryan were together until at least 1915 as on his WW1 military attestation papers he gave her name and address as his wife. They must have separated, as in 1917 Sidney married someone else, and in 1918 Violet married a Daniel Ryan about whom I can find nothing. She later divorced him and married an Edwards.
They all seem to have stayed in and around Auckland for a considerable time.
As I am researching from the UK I cannot access the voters records so can't find where Violet and Sydney were living from 1911 until 1916 and what names they went under. At least one of the children must have attended school and I wonder what name was used . Where the name Ryan appeared from in 1911 and 1914 well before a Daniel Ryan featured I do not know. All I do know from the previous research into the Rowe family is that they used aliases from time to time so it may have been standard behaviour for them. Sydney/Sidney had a brother named Mark Daniel Rowe, and brothers William and Herbert whose names were used as middle names by the two boys leading me to think they may both have been Sidney's.
It seems that Winton and Edwin did not keep in contact with each other probably from the time they went into the Army in WW2
Any help or advice would again be very much appreciated.
Best wishes
PatsyAnn
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