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The Common Room / William Joy c1850 - Dorset help with Unknown Birth and Death?
« on: Monday 11 September 23 23:39 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

Please would somebody be able to help me with a my 4th great grandmother's first husband please? I am struggling to find anything about him.
To start with her,
Her name was Caroline Lawrence. b1830.

She married a William Joy in 1849 in Bridport, Dorset. - The person I am trying to find out more, and his birth and death years.

In 1852, their daughter Susan Joy was born. She marks William Joy (deceased) on her marriage to
Charles Earey.

Then in October 1857, Caroline Joy marries Charles Mills in Axminster, Devon, United Kingdom.

This could put William Joy's death date anywhere between late 1851 and pre October of 1857.

Although I am not directly related to him I would still like to know more about him. I have checked FreeBMD and GRO but I am receiving no results.

Caroline was born in Bridport Dorset (place of first wedding), and died in Axminster, Dorset (place of second wedding). So didn't leave Dorset, and so I am unsure on wether William did too. All of Carolines other children (2nd marriage) were born in Lyme, Dorset, England, and Axminster. Susan was the only one born in Bridport.

Caroline Joy is living with her parents in 1851, and her husband does not live at the same adress, but I am yet to find a census for him in 1851.

I am assuming that William died and then Caroline Remarried, but if that is not the case, Susan Joy marks her father dead at her marriage in Oct 1874.

Many thanks for you time reading. I have hit a brick wall with William.

Edit: I can not see the marriage of Charles Mills and Caroline Joy to see if Caroline is regarded as a Widow. Although I am very much assuming that she was. I only can see their marriage on the Marriage Index.

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The Common Room / Child dying before sending off Census - The Wades
« on: Friday 08 September 23 23:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

I have a census record from my 2nd Great Grandfather. The family were poor and suffered many infant and child deaths. So much so that on pictures of them, I struggle to pick out which child is who, some remain undetermined. I am certain that there are more to discover considering the 100 year period of anonymity with the GRO index.

Anyways getting away from my original point.
On this census record in 1911. David Wade has filled in the census, himself, his wife Charlotte Wade (Nee Sugden), His son Arthur Wade, and his daughter Sarah Ann Wade.

But, there are crosses through the name Arthur, and written next to it are the words (Dead)

It looks to me as that Arthur Wade died Sep 1910  but I may be wrong. (Census is again 1911.)

I am wondering if David personally had to cross out his son's name and write the remark 'dead' as Arthur had passed before sending off the census or if this would have been done at the office the census was sent to.

This is purely for my own curiosity and just so I can know for certain, but the former would be far more upsetting.

At the bottom suggests 1 male, and 2 females, which would disregard Arthur, but I have no knowledge on census in this respect, and wether David would have filled this box out or if the 'census people  ;D' would have. And if Arthur had have died before sending this census off, why is there no correction from 2 males, to 1 male. Edit: I have seen this says enumerator, but still doesn't answer my question as to wether David would have crossed Arthurs name out and simply but (Dead) of if the 'enumerator' would have done this.

See census below.

Many thanks for your time reading!





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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Green Photograph?
« on: Thursday 24 August 23 15:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi All

A bit of a random one. Im hoping I've posted this in an appropriate forum category as I know there is a photograph forum but I am not looking for this photo dated, just a question in general.
Post has since been moved to photograph forum. Thank you!

I have a photograph of my Nana when she was young, probably circa 1950 and it has been on my mums wall for as long as I can remember.

It's a very nice photograph, but it is green, like very green - colour wise.

I am collecting all these photographs to put onto the wall. I can't find anything online to say that there was a time where photographs were taken in this green hue. I'm wondering if originally it would have been taken in green, or if it was originally sepia/b+w that has aged poorly through light etc Im not sure. I assume my nana had this before my mum so I don't know the condition she kept it in. Anyhow, I am reverting all photographs I have back into their original condition, getting rid of scratches, tears etc, some with help from the photograph forum, and so If this was originally green, I shall keep it, and if not I will revert it to black and white.

Does anyone have any ideas?
I have tried searching, but the only things I have found are b+w photographs going green.

Anyone also have a green photograph  ;D or know anything about wether this would be original?

Thank you!  ;D

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World War Two / James Mills Army Record Help UK
« on: Wednesday 23 August 23 14:21 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

I recently posted a photo restoration for James Mills. Which was great.

It got me thinking of what exactly he did in WW2.
And I would massively appreciate your help with finding it out.

My mum has got his military records.
Approved Society - R.A.F.S - Does that mean he was in the Royal Air Force, I can't find anything online on what approved society actually meant/means.

And then I am unsure on the meaning of 'LS'? of W. A. C.

Were these Army books filled out by the individual themselves, as the X near his name could be taken as the Mark of, unless it was accidental or has an alternative meaning.

Is anyone also able to read his occupation, Mile Shipman?

James's life is a little odd, his entire family stayed in Hull, East Yorkshire, James is in Hull in the 1939 register, which I believe was taken in September, he then marries in Keighley, West Yorkshire, 70 miles away from Hull, in the following July of 1940. Keighley is a rather uneventful town to move to from Hull.

Place of Enlistment, does that read as BULford? Keighley / Shipley, where he lived, is close to BRADford but not BULford.

His Compassionate Leave in the booklet makes no sense of when any of his parents or siblings passed. And his Privilege leave also doesn't make sense as to when any of his Children were born.

Training suggests:
Completed Recruits course of military training.
Completed Driving course

and some others I can not read.

Thanks all for reading.
See one page below. Along with his hat and emblem




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Hi all,

Thank you so much for your help with my last request, a photo restoration of my great Grandfather. I hope me posting 2 requests in a short time is okay.  :)

Here is a different great Grandfather of mine that I would love help in getting the creases out of. I have tidied up the photograph to the best of my ability, and it would be great to restore it back to its former glory, I would really appreciate it, thank you in advance.

I showed this photograph to my friends and their parents and they all gasped at the likeness between me and him, I don't see it myself, but I have only ever seen this photograph with the creases in, as well as other imperfections.

The photo itself was in bad condition, I'm not sure if it was the original, but the photo we have was printed just onto paper, not sure if that was the norm for army Photographs.

It would be great to keep it it's sepia colour if possible, but I'm grateful for everything :)

Thanks again. :)

Here is the photograph
This is James Mills born 1921 in Sculcoates, Hull, East Riding, passing in 1988 in Baildon, Shipley, West Yorkshire.




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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Wade Great Grandfather restoration
« on: Thursday 17 August 23 13:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

I'm hoping somebody could please possibly help me with a restoration of a photograph of my great grandfather.

His name was Wilfred Wade, b1913 in Shipley, West Yorkshire.

Unfortunately my great nan cut around the photograph so it would fit in an oval shaped photo album. A travesty as its only one I have in his army uniform.

I'm hoping someone may please be able to try and turn this oval crop into a full photograph possibly. I would really appreciate it.  We don't have many photographs of him as he left the family.

Also, does anyone know what position in the army would constitute him wearing that hat?

Many Thanks,
Here is the photo.

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The Common Room / Question about Military Wive's benefit 1940's
« on: Tuesday 08 August 23 13:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi all, this is family history related, but not directly, so I hope I've put this in the right place.

To set the tone, my great grandfather left my great nan and their 6 children and went on to have 7 more children with 2 other women, 5 when he was still married to my great nan. So he was a very fertile man so to speak. He was born 1913, and he was in the Army, called up for national service in 1940 in the UK.

Theres a story that my great nan was collecting his 'military money' almost like a military wives benefit? I don't know what this was called I'm hoping someone can help me with that. I think army wives could collect a third of their husbands money for their children back home.

One week my great nan went to collect the money and was told by the 'war office' (again I don't know the correct terminology, hoping someone can help fill the gaps with the appropriate term.) Anyways she was told that the money had already been collected by a woman in Scotland, where my great grandfather Wilfred was stationed previously. My great nan had to go to the office with her marriage records and childrens birth certificates to prove that she was Wilfred's wife, and that they were his children.

We have always speculated he had another child in Scotland, due to a woman collecting money in Scotland.

Wilfred's other children were born over 100 miles away from the original 6 so we have never spoken to them until now, as I have managed to get in contact with some of his other children through ancestry, as my great grandfather was in their trees as their father, I asked them if their nan or mum had ever lived in Scotland, and they said that they haven't ever been to Scotland.

I'm hoping someone can let me know what would be appropriate documents for the 'war office' to just give the money to this Scottish woman instead of my great nan. He already had someone collecting this money (again my great nan) so it would be odd for them to just change the Payee without proper documentation.

To our knowledge a birth certificate with Wilfred's name on would suffice. He didn't let his second partner put his name on the 5 birth certificates because he was still married to my great Nan, but a woman in Scotland may not have respected his wishes.

Many thanks,
Toby.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help with 1921 Census Please?
« on: Sunday 23 July 23 01:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I am in contact with a relative who messaged me on ancestry, we are trying to discover more about an ancestor, specifically if he was in the army.

The reason this is in the handwriting recognition section is because, I am hoping someone can shed some light on the later markings written on the census.

I assume some may be for identification purposes possibly, but I am not sure entirely of the others.

For example:
Why is there a red 'x' next to his place of work Ravenfield?
What is the meaning of the green markings '577/6', '530' and '800/2'
The meaning of the green 5 in the corner? Identification purposes or something else?

If they are all for identification and record-keeping purposes it would be somewhat disheartening, I'm hoping their presence has a purpose.

Edgar Hewitt Blackburn's (b1885) occupation changed from Coal Hewer/Miner in 1911 to 'platelayer' in 1921, I'm wondering if this could be war related, or just a general occupation change.
If he went to war and did something related to railways, an occupation change may make sense. He would have only been 27/28 at the time of WW1 breaking out, and a lack of military record discoveries is confusing considering his age, but after searching 1921 records, and finding a sudden occupation change in comparison with the rest of his adult life, could suggest a possibility he did go to war. I am not too sure when coal mining began to decline in this area, so the occupation change may be a result of that.

He was a Coal Miner/Hewer in 1911 and before, and I'm wondering if this occupation was one they didn't send to war, considering the countries reliance on heating and trains during this particular time. Unfortunately I do not know much about which occupations did and didn't go to war.

Many Thanks, Toby Alex.




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Definitely Shipley something

Thats not 11 at the bottom as my g nan was born 1914 and she is about 5/6 in this picture.

Sch I assume to be school as this is a school group picture. But the rest means nothing to me.

Trying to find a bit more information about the picture and the school.

Thanks.

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