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Perthshire / IGI coverage gaps
« on: Thursday 21 September 23 20:06 BST (UK)  »
Some areas do not have IGI coverage at certain times.

Example:  Auchtergaven marriage records stop in 1803 and resume in 1823, although there are baptism records covering this time.

I have also noticed similar coverage gaps in other parishes.  Before I go spending my credits on paysites, for records that may not be there either, I would like to educate myself.

Is this because no marriages were done during that period, or that records were lost, or something as simple as there was no priest or curate at that time and they had to go to another town to be married?

If they would have been married in another location, how would I find that out?

Are there other sources for these records that might not have the same gaps?

Thanks in advance!

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / George Edwin Collier died age 5 in Gomersal
« on: Monday 20 September 21 06:52 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to find the grave of this boy.

His widowed mother was Catharine Hill COLLIER who was in service in Heckmondwike. 

George Edwin COLLIER, b 27 May 1880, in Loftus, died 25 Jun 1885, during one of  his mother's visits.

He and his younger sister (Isabel Beatrix Collier Yewdale) were in the care of Mrs Woodhead, Oxford Road, Gomersal. 

The coroner determined the death to be natural causes (from the coroner's report.  I have a digital image of it).

In 1895, the mother married in Vancouver, Canada; the sister married in 1901, also in Vancouver.  No record has yet been found of their emigration.

The family was generally Church of England.

If anyone can advise me about churches in the area of Gomersal, or anyone doing monumental inscription lookups, it would be appreciated.  I have already tried Findagrave and gravestone photos with no joy.  I have no idea what the most likely scenario would even have been for dealing with the remains of the children of a widow in service.

This little boy was my great grandmother's younger brother.
Thank in advance for your help. 

Shermy

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Perthshire / Missing Marriages
« on: Monday 01 March 21 04:14 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all,

I am going through IGI files and am finding holes with my normally prolific Paton family in several parishes. I know that they were still marrying, although there may have been some reason that marriages were not recorded.  This family is normally found spread from Muirheadston, Gibbiestoun, Meikle Obney, Neither Obney, Belston, Balquharn, Glack and Farkhill.

Has anyone researching these parishes found an answer?

Here are the 4 parishes where I would expect to find them.


Auchtergaven

No marriages between 1771 and 1823

Methven

No marriages between 1788 and 1814

Little Dunkeld

No marriages between  1779 and 1803

Redgorton

No marriages between 1785 and 1815

Thanks in advance!


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Durham / Mystery Game ... Sarah Ann WAKE, then Clark then Ridley
« on: Saturday 11 January 20 06:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,
I have gone around and around on this one and cannot find a solution, and I know that someone here will have this sorted double-quick time, but I just can't figure it out. 

On 1 Feb 1879 in Birtley Parish Church, a little over 2 years after the death of his father,  William RIDLEY married his stepmother, Sarah Ann CLARK (nee WAKE), and they continued to raise his siblings and step siblings.  The marriage certificate states that he was the son of Robert RIDLEY, coalminer, and she was the daughter of John WAKE, glassmaker.  I do not have the certificate, so no further info.  Family lore says her birth date was 11 Mar 1839, Westoe.

The history ...

When Robert RIDLEY's first wife, Mary Ann GREGG, died in 1862, Sarah Ann moved in.  She was already Sarah Ann CLARK by that point, and some of their children's birth records list her as Sarah Ann CLARK, and some as Sarah Ann RIDLEY.  She appears on the 1871 census as Robert's wife, although we have no indication that they ever married - especially not when her name was still CLARK when she married William.

My mystery is:  Who is the CLARK that she married?  Where was she in 1861?

Here is some information that may help:

Sarah's children with Robert RIDLEY
children all baptized in St Helen Auckland, where his mother lived.

Robert RIDLEY and Sarah Ann RIDLEY

bap. 3 Feb 1866, St. Helen Auckland - Emanuel Bartram (reg Jun 1864)
bap. 30 Jan 1865, St. Helen Auckland - John William (reg Dec 1865, death reg Mar 1867)

Robert RIDLEY and Sarah Ann CLARK

bap. 17 Aug 1868, St Helen Auckland - Sarah Isabella (reg Jun 1867)
bap. 17 Aug 1868, St Helen Auckland - Joseph (reg Jun 1868)

No baptismal info found yet
b. 30 Sep 1869 St Helen Auckland - Joseph Pike (reg Dec 1869)
b. 15 Jun 1872, Chester-le-Street - John William (reg Jun 1872)
b. 8 May 1874, Nettlesworth - Francis (reg Jun 1874)
b. Dec 1875, Byer's Green, Bishop Auckland - Mary Ann (reg Dec 1875)

FYI, Robert's previous children with Mary Ann were: Walter (1846), Elizabeth (1848), Caroline (1850), David (1851), William (1854), Margaret (1857), Robert (1860).

Sarah's census information:

Census 1841  South Shields Ferry Street
John Wake 30 Labourer
Sarah 25
William 4
Sarah 2

Census 1851 Bishopwearmouth

John Wake Age 44 glassworks labourer
Sarah Wake Age 38
William H Wake Age 14
Sarah A Wake Age 12
John T Wake Age 6

1861 Eight Pit, Great Lumley, Chester-le-Street
John Wake 54
Sarah Wake 48
William H Wake 24
John T Wake 16
Joseph P Wake 8

no Sarah...

1871 Mount Pleasant, Tudhoe

Robert Ridley 52
Sarah Ann Ridley 32
David Ridley 18
William Ridley 16
Caroline Ridley 20
Robert Ridley 10
Emmanuel Ridley 6
Sarah Isab Ridley 3
Joseph Ridley 1

1881 Daisy Hill, Witton Gilbert, Chester-le-Street

William Rudley Age 29, coalminer, Wingate
Sarah Ann Rudley Age 36, South Shields
Emanuel Rudley Age 16
Sarah Rudley Age 13
Joseph Rudley Age 11
John Wm. Rudley Age 8
Frank Rudley Age 6
Mary Ann Rudley Age 5

1891 Burnhope

William Ridley 42 Wingate
Sarah Ann Ridley 48 South Shields
Joseph Peke Ridley 21
Francis Ridley 16
John William Ridley 18
Sarah Wake 78 boarder NBL Leamington
Maria C Wake 9 boarder daughter South Shields

The 'boarder' is Sarah's widowed mother.  Maria CLARKE WAKE is Sarah's niece, by her younger brother, Joseph Pyke WAKE.  Joseph was married to Mary Ann STERN (deceased at this point) whose mother was Charlotte Ann CLARKE.  No relation that I can see.  She was from Lincoln, Essex, or Suffolk, depending on the document.

1901  Burnhope

William Ridley Age 48 Wingate
Sarah Ann Ridley Age 58 South Shields
John William Ridley Age 23

1911 

William Ridley 59 Wingate
Sarah Ann Ridley 70 South Shields

They say they have been married 32 years.  Interestingly, Sarah answers the Born Alive, Still Living, Have Died as 5.5.6, indicating she did not understand the question.  The numbers have been struck through in black.  None is written in in red, and the numbers have been rewritten in blue as 0.0.0.

Sarah died Feb 1914, in Burnhope.

Red Herring:

Family Lore says that Sarah's previous husband was Michael Clark.  There IS a Michael Clark married to a Sarah in 1861, but he was still married to her and having children for many years after, so she is not our girl.

Thanks in advance!
Shermy

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Katherine Elizabeth Hill, orphaned at 11
« on: Sunday 29 December 19 09:30 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to place Katherine Elizabeth HILL on the 1891 census.

She came from a large family, many aunts and uncles, in West Yorkshire.

The family had much tragedy in the 1880s and 1890s, with aunts, uncles and cousins dying, and the remainder trying to keep the family together. 

Katherine's parents were:

Arthur HILL, a wool salesman, b. Jan 1845, Leeds
and Lucy Ann BEEVERS, b. Oct 1847, Wakefield

Their children are:

Lucy Eleanor b. Jul 1873, Ledsham
Amy bap. Feb 1876 Leeds, born in Peckfield or Ledsham
Gertrude Mary b. 1877 Newley
Charles Arthur b. Jan 1879 Worcester St John, Worcestershire
Katherine Elizabeth b. Q4 1880 Worcester St John, Worcestershire

1881 census has the family in Worcester St John Bedwardine.  Arthur is a book-keeper

Mother Lucy dies in 1885
in 1891 Arthur seems to be back out on the road, selling.  The children are back in Yorkshire.

Daughters Lucy and Amy are servants.  Charles and Gertrude are in the orphanage at Headingley.  Katherine is nowhere to be found.

Arthur dies in 1892.  Lucy is 18. Amy is 16.  Gertrude is  15. Charles is 13. Katherine is 12.

In 1901, Gertrude has died (aged 21).  The other 4 are living together in Headingley.  I have no idea what happened to Amy or Katherine after this, but my problem right now is finding out where Katherine was in 1891.

I have, to the best of my ability, accounted for all of the Hill and Beevers aunts and uncles in 1891, and Katherine is not with any of them.  All of the grandparents were deceased by 1891.

If you like, I can give a list of the aunts and uncles, in case I have missed her, but I think this is something fairly straight forward - she is probably in an orphanage somewhere.  I have checked the Royal Albert Orphan Asylum in Worcester St John.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks in advance,
Shermy

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Child murdered - can't find the death reg?
« on: Friday 21 September 18 06:55 BST (UK)  »
This has been a mystery for me for quite some time.  The concrete information that we have is a birth registration Mar 1879 in Driffield for Mary Beackon H HOLLIDAY.  She was born in Beeford.  On the 1881 census she was a nurse child living with  Ann DUKES in Beeford.  The infant, Annie Holliday, also there, is probably a cousin.  Mary's mother is Mary HOLLIDAY (b. 1858), her grandmother is Sarah Dumbleton HOLLIDAY (b. 1820).  I have no idea yet where Mary is in 1881, but Sarah is a widowed washerwoman, living in Beeford.

What I am trying to find out is where Mary Holliday is on the censuses from 1871 on AND when and where the little girl's death was registered.  Thanks in advance.

Now, here is the story, as it appeared on the Internet (split into 2 parts, due to space limitations)
My tie is to the Collier/Bradley family:

The following news articles are taken from the Driffield Times.

April 14, 1888

THE WANSFORD MYSTERY

A MOTHER CHARGED WITH MURDER

The mystery surrounding the finding of the body of a girl in the canal near Snakeholme Lock on Good Friday has assumed the phase of murder, and naturally the case has caused quite a sensation in the neighbourhood. The police are very reticent about furnishing the press with any information but the following gathered from various sources, may, we believe, be taken as correct.

It will be remembered that on Good Friday two brothers named SEDMAN, of Driffield, were fishing near Snakeholme Lock, when they noticed a body in the water near the byewash and that on getting it to land it was found to be the body of a young girl. It was removed to the Trout Inn at Wansford where an inquest was held on the following day. This resulted in an open verdict, there not being a tittle of evidence as to how the child got into the water or to whom she belonged. The police were instructed to preserve every shred of clothing and to make the occurrence as widely known as possible. PC SMITH, who is stationed at Frodingham had been unremitting in his efforts to clear up the mystery which hung over the affair and on Monday night he apprehended a woman named Mary HOLLIDAY on a charge of murdering the girl. The arrest was made at Foston where the woman had been living since Martinmas with a man named RUSSELL. The woman had a daughter about nine years of age, who lived with her grandmother, Sarah HOLLIDAY at Beeford, and it is stated that the man named RUSSELL had spoken to his housekeeper of marriage, but had raised some objections on account of the child. This rumour reached the ears of PC SMITH and coupling it with the findings of the body on the canal he instituted inquiries as to the antecendents of the woman. He found that some weeks ago one night, the prisoner went to the grandmother’s at Beeford and took the child away, stating that she was going to send her to a situation at Leeds. From that time she was never seen alive again. The grandmother was shown the clothing taken from the body found in the canal, and she at once declared them to be the clothes worn by her grandaughter. PC SMITH thereupon proceeded to Foston and took the woman into custody, and lodged her in the police station at Driffield.

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Durham / Find marriage for Stokoe & Hetherington
« on: Monday 07 August 17 23:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

Looking to find a marriage between Jemima Hetherington and John Stokoe.

The first child that I have so far is Mary Ann, born Tanfield Dec 1856

The name Stokoe has also been recorded as Stoker.

History:

After 1826, but before 1841, John's father Robert Stokoe/Stoker moved his family from Whitley by Hexham, NBL to farm on land owned by his wife's family in Tanfield, Co. Durham.  She was a ROBINSON, but her paternal grandmother was a MIDDLETON.  They have 3 boys, Robert (c 1815), William (c 1817) and John, 1826.

Brother Robert marries Ann HETHERINGTON (c. 1820) from Haltwhistle, NBL on 31 May 1845.

In 1851, Robert Sr, wife Mary, their 3 sons, Robert Jr's wife Ann HETHERINGTON, and 2 bairns (one with Middleton as a middle name) are on the Tanfield farm.  Jemima HETHERINGTON, (now 20 or 21) is living in Blenkinsopp NBL, with her parents Robert and Margaret and siblings.

By 1861, Jemima is on the farm with 3 children, husband John, Robert and Ann.  Robert senior is dead, but his wife Mary is there.  The original census form is badly damaged.

I can NOT find a record anywhere of John and Jemima marrying.  I know it is possible that they didn't, but the family is a church-going family and this would be a surprise.  I only have access to online records, and have checked every permutation I can think of on Freebmd, including searching by one name with all manner of variant spellings, wildcards.  I have checked for Jemima marrying someone else and having a different surname when she married John.  I have checked Gretna marriages.  I am stumped.

The closest I come is on Freebmd, Sep 1854, vol 10a p 225.  There is a John STOKOE, and the page is short one female.

Can anyone think of a way to solve this short of ordering that certificate from the GRO?

Interestingly, Durham Records Online does not have this marriage, but they do have one from Lanchester 1851 with the groom's place of birth as Hexham.  I think that marriage is the Mar 1851 (vol 24 p 81) of john STOKOE and Mary Ann PHILLIPSON.

I have also tried Bishop's Transcripts from FamilySearch.  Tanfield doesn't go to 1851, neither does Collierley.  I know that some of the Tanfield records were destroyed, but I don't know which ones, and can't help but wonder if I am just wasting my time.  I am currently slogging through FamilySearch BTS for Lanchester.

But that Sep 1854 with the missing bride is so interesting ....


Thanks is advance,
Holly

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Scalby Mills ??
« on: Monday 11 January 16 04:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all!  Happy New Year!

I have inherited this most beautiful watercolour, which claims to be Scalby Mills.  It's not the view I am familiar with.

Is anyone familiar with this view?

Thanks,
Rupie

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Tyrone / Altmore, Clonavaddy, Somerville, help - please
« on: Wednesday 23 September 15 18:05 BST (UK)  »
I had long since given up on this branch of my tree, but find myself visiting relatives in County Derry and I may have enough information to get me started again.

My direct relative is Robert Somerville, birth registered in Clonavaddy, date most likely 22 Jun 1840.  He marries Ann Gillies (b 1839) from Dalkeith, Scotland, on 21 Jun 1866 in Dipton (Collierley), County Durham, England.

I have Ann's census records from birth, but Robert only from 1871, in Dipton.

Their children are:
Eleanor 16 Jan 1870
Annie 23 Apr 1872
Alexandrina 20 May 1874
William 29 Sep 1876
George 31 Aug 1878

all born in or near Dipton.

Now George (31 Aug 1878) marries Margaret Ann Somerville, b 10 Jun 1876, in Altmore, Clonavaddy etc.

I believe this to be a first cousin marriage.  Their children were:
Robert William Somerville b Jun 1903 d Sep 1903
Annie Mar 1905
Thomas Dec 1906

There may be others.  The wedding and the children are in Durham.


Margaret Ann's parents are believed to be:
William Somerville (b 1848) and Mary Moore (b 1849).

They are on the Irish census of 1901 and 1911 living in Altmore with siblings.

Irish census only lists county of birth, which is Tyrone.


Because of many missing Irish records and the seemingly innumerable spellings of Somerville and the place names, I have been quite discouraged.

Now that I am here, though, I see that there may be other sources I can get at in person.

I have seen a reference online to a pub in Carnteel that has the Somerville family tree on a wall.  I can't find a pub in Carnteel, so they must have been refering to the surrounding area.

Can anyone advise me on how best to proceed with all of this?

Cheers,
Rupie

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