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Armed Forces / Meaning: "Hoisted Blue Colours" British Navy
« on: Wednesday 08 March 17 22:46 GMT (UK)  »
I am posting this question here, because, honestly, I didn't know of a better forum for it.

Can someone provide me with the meaning of the phrase "hoisted blue colours"?

I found the phrase in 2 different publications, one from 1762 and one from 1810 relating the activities of British Navy ships. I know "colours" in those phrases means a flag or flags which a British sailing ship would raise to signal to another ship in the fleet or to an enemy ship. But what did the "blue colours" mean?

Thank you in advance.

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Occupation Interests / Band Boy, Textile Mill - What kind of work did a band boy do?
« on: Saturday 12 November 16 23:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hello -

I posted this question on the Ancestry.com/Rootsweb.com Messages board for Occupations (General) in May 2016 and haven't received any reply, so far.

I have a 1940 US census record stating the person I am researching worked as a "band boy" at a woolen mill, in New Jersey (USA). All I have found on the occupation of "band boy" relevant to textile mils is that the job had to do with spinning and twisting [presumably spinning and twisting the yarn/thread used elsewhere in the textile mill.]

Can anyone shed more light on the occupation? I have found the occupation title listed on several web sites, with relevance to the manufacture of textiles and to weaving, but haven't found any description of the job, except for the description I wrote in the above paragraph.

Thank you in advance -
Jean

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Devon / Two Bromfield Brothers Married Two Spiller Sisters
« on: Tuesday 28 July 15 18:41 BST (UK)  »
I have been researching a Spiller family line in my family tree - from Yarcombe, Devon.

I found that 2 daughters of Robert Spiller (1803-1868, Devon) and his wife Thomazin (and other variant spellings) Hoskins Spiller (abt 1809-1864, Devon) married 2 Bromfield brothers who were both millers by trade and who lived/worked in Devon (Stockland and Upottery.) They were the sons of a Richard and Mary Bromfield. I'm assuming Richard Bromfield was a miller because by the 1851 census, his widow, Mary was listed as a miller and a baker at South Mill [Farm], Stockland, Devon.

The 2 Spiller daughters:
- Susanna (and other variant spellings) Spiller, b. abt 1832, Yarcombe, Devon; chr. 22 Apr 1832, Yarcombe, Devon; d. 13 Jul 1913, Honiton, Devon; married in 1859 to Hermon Bromfield, b. 4 Apr 1829, Stockland, Devon; d. 29 Aug 1879, Upottery, Devon; Marriage recorded 1st quarter of 1859 (Jan, Feb, Mar) at Chard, Somerset
- Sarah Spiller, b. abt 1839, Yarcombe, Devon [birth registered at Axminster, Devon in 2nd quarter of 1842 (Apr, May, Jun)]; d. unknown; married 6 Mar 1873 to Gerrard/Gerard Hugo Bromfield, b. abt 1841, Stockland, Devon; d. 1880 [Death registered at Axminster, Devon in the 4th quarter of 1880 (Oct, Nov, Dec)] ; Marriage at St Peter's Church, Walworth, Southwark, London

Right now, I am most interested in Sarah Spiller who married Gerrard/Gerard Hugo Bromfield. I have not found any more information on her after the 1881 census record where she, a widow, was visiting her widowed sister, Susanna/Susannah Bromfield, at Susanna's home, Glenville Cottage, Honiton, Devon.

Did Sarah Spiller Bromfield remarry? When did she pass away and where?

Any information or tips will be appreciated. Thank you.
Jean E. DeLauche
Missouri, USA

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Devon / 1765 Will, Devon, England - "brass Choose pan"
« on: Sunday 28 June 15 18:50 BST (UK)  »
I am transcribing the will of an ancestor who had his will drawn up in May 1765 at Honiton, Devon, England. Thankfully, the law clerk who wrote the text of the will used a script that is relatively easy to read, even 250 years later. Most of the words in the will have meanings that are the same as today's wording, with legal terms retaining their meanings in present-day. I've found sources which have explained and defined some of the household items and furniture bequeathed by the deceased and some of the words that didn't seem to mean what they mean today.

So far, I haven't found out what a "brass Choose pan" is/was. Obviously it was some sort of pan made of brass, What does the word "Choose" (capitalized in the handwritten will) mean regarding a pan? Note: The word "Choose" could be a variant spelling. Example: I finally figured out that in the will the "Dust Bed" was a "doust bed" and found that a "doust bed" was a small bed with chaff (doust) filling the mattress.

I've checked the Oxford English Dictionary 2nd ed., a lexicon for provincialisms of Devonshire (1912 publication), and a glossary of terms used in 17th and 18th century wills in England, but none of those sources provided an answer on "brass Choose pan."

If someone can find a good source and find a description of a "choose pan" or direct me to some source with explanations on 18th English household goods, I would appreciate it.

Also, even though that law clerk from 250 years ago has long passed away, I would like to thank him for his fine penmanship and consistent spelling of words throughout the will of Robert Knight, d. 12 May 1765, Honiton, Devon.

Thanks in advance for any help -
Jean

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FH Documents and Artefacts / 1765 Will, Devon, England - "brass Choose pan"
« on: Sunday 28 June 15 18:44 BST (UK)  »
I am transcribing the will of an ancestor who had his will drawn up in May 1765 at Honiton, Devon, England. Thankfully, the law clerk who wrote the text of the will used a script that is relatively easy to read, even 250 years later. Most of the words in the will have meanings that are the same as today's wording, with legal terms retaining their meanings in present-day. I've found sources which have explained and defined some of the household items and furniture bequeathed by the deceased and some of the words that didn't seem to mean what they mean today.

So far, I haven't found out what a "brass Choose pan" is/was. Obviously it was some sort of pan made of brass, What does the word "Choose" (capitalized in the handwritten will) mean regarding a pan? Note: The word "Choose" could be a variant spelling. Example: I finally figured out that in the will the "Dust Bed" was a "doust bed" and found that a "doust bed" was a small bed with chaff (doust) filling the mattress.

I've checked the Oxford English Dictionary 2nd ed., a lexicon for provincialisms of Devonshire (1912 publication), and a glossary of terms used in 17th and 18th century wills in England, but none of those sources provided an answer on "brass Choose pan."

If someone can find a good source and find a description of a "choose pan" or direct me to some source with explanations on 18th English household goods, I would appreciate it.

Also, even though that law clerk from 250 years ago has long passed away, I would like to thank him for his fine penmanship and consistent spelling of words throughout the will of Robert Knight, d. 12 May 1765, Honiton, Devon.

Thanks in advance for any help -
Jean, in the USA

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Occupation Interests / Bose Maker or Bosc Maker
« on: Monday 07 July 14 21:09 BST (UK)  »
I've modified this message since I first posted it. I have added 2 attachments - images of the handwritten word "Deuxième" which led to my "aha!" moment.

I am posting this insight of mine in case others have found handwritten census records or transcriptions of census records with the occupation of "Bose Maker" or "Bosc Maker."

I found someone in an 1850 US census record and the handwritten entry looked like "Bosc Maker" or "Bose Maker" to me. The man was born in England, so I thought perhaps the occupation was more common in England.

I looked through numerous lists of old names for occupations and didn't find either "Bosc Maker" or "Bose Maker."

Then, today, while looking at the images of 1819 handwritten birth records for Brussels, Belgium, in French, it dawned on me that the script "x"s in "Deuxième" in the records looked very much like "sc" or "se."

Quelle surprise . . . the words I thought were "Bosc Maker" or "Bose Maker" were really "Box Maker."

Best wishes from the USA.
Jean

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London and Middlesex / Barnard Oldaker, Cabinet Maker, and Family, abt 1810-
« on: Wednesday 18 December 13 16:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hello -

I am researching an Oldaker family line in England for a friend. Her ancestor: Harriet Lady Oldaker (we think "Lady" is part of her name and not a title) who married a John Hucks Stevens in England. John Hucks Stevens, wife Harriet and their children immigrated to the USA around 1836.

The information my friend has:
Harriet Lady Oldaker - parents: Barnard Oldaker and Nancy Warters (may have really been "Waters")
b. 1 Feb 1816, England
christened 18 Mar 1820 St. Leonards Church, Shoreditch, London, England [Note: The name "Lady" is not given in the baptismal record.]
married 13 Sep 1834, The Hague, Netherlands (where she was living with her parents)

Barnard Oldaker and Nancy Warters (maybe Waters) were married 25 Jun 1810,  St. Olave Hart Street (C of E), City of London.

Other children of Barnard and Nancy Oldaker, all born in England:
Caroline, b. 19 Sep 1813, christened 18 Mar 1820, St. Leonards Church, Shoreditch, London, England
Marianne, b. 9 Oct. 1814, christened 18 Mar 1820, St. Leonards Church, Shoreditch, London, England
Maria Louisa, b. 3 Jul 1818 , christened 18 Mar 1820, St. Leonards Church, Shoreditch, London, England
[Nothing like getting them baptised in a batch. Maybe the family was living outside of England for a while and came back to have the 4 girls baptised – just a speculation.]
Ferdinand Barnard, b. 4 Dec [year is unreadable in baptismal record], christened 14 Sep 1828, St. Olave Hart Street, London, England
   
According to all the baptismal records for the Oldaker children, the father, Barnard Oldaker, was a cabinet maker. The abode listed in the baptismal records for the 4 girls (18 Mar 1820): Walbrook Place, I assume London.The address of his abode was given as Paris for his son Ferdinand's baptismal record.

My friend already has the Ancestry.co.uk records for the Oldaker-Warters (Waters?) marriage and the baptismal records for the children. These are the TinyURL links for the Ancestry.co.uk baptismal records:
Caroline, Marianne, Harriet & Maria Louisa baptisms: http://tinyurl.com/kyeoxfa
Ferdinand baptism: http://tinyurl.com/lddrjym

Thank you in advance for any added information.
Jean E. DeLauche, USA

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Staffordshire / Ann Ball, b. 1799, Staffordshire - Her Parents & Siblings
« on: Saturday 31 August 13 22:16 BST (UK)  »
I am researching ancestors from Staffordshire: Samuel Simcock, b. Jul 1805, and his wife Ann Ball, b. 1799.

I have finally come across information on the names of Ann Ball's parents and 2 siblings. I was lucky enough to find a Bethesda Chapel (Methodist New Connexion, Shelton, Staffordshire) christening record for one of the children of Ann Ball and Samuel Simcock - Thomas Simcock, b. 7 Sep 1828, christened 2 Nov 1828. The christening record gave the name and occupation of the father of Ann Ball, Thomas Simcock's mother. Ann Ball's father: Ralph Ball, occupation: potter.

The right name for Ann Ball's father led me to christening records for her and 2 siblings, plus the given name of Ralph Ball's wife, mother of Ann Ball and her siblings.

The children of Ralph Ball and his wife Sarah, were all christened at Hanley Tabernacle (Hanley, Staffordshire, England):
-- Elizabeth Ball, b. 3 Oct 1795, chr. 25 Oct 1795 [note: Ancestry.co.uk/Ancestry.com has Elizabeth's father's name transcribed as "Chalph," but it is clearly written "Ralph" in the image of the handwritten record]
-- Isaac Ball, b. 28 Apr 1797, chr. 21 May 1797
-- Ann Ball, chr. 12 May 1799 [She married Samuel Simcock. She, her husband, and their children immigrated to the USA, settling at Crystal Lake, Dayton Township, Waupaca, Wisconsin. He was an ordained Methodist minister there as well as a farrmer.]

I also came across a Staffordshire marriage record for potter Ralph Ball and Sarah Hall: 29 Apr 1784. One of the daughters of Ann Ball and Samuel Simcock was named Sarah Hall Simcock, which makes me believe the Ralph Ball - Sarah Hall marriage information is for the parents of Ann Ball.

I am posting this information for others who may be researching this Ball family line. I have saved and annotated the images of christening records I have found, giving the names of Ralph and Sarah Ball, if anyone wishes to contact. I will be happy to post the images I have here or send them as attachments to an email.

Jean E. DeLauche
Missouri

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Australia / Page Doble, b. 1830, Somerset; d. 1870, Geelong, Victoria, Australia
« on: Wednesday 31 July 13 18:12 BST (UK)  »
For those researching Page Doble, b. 8 Aug 1830, Buckland St. Mary, Somerset, son of William and Elizabeth (Betsey) Spark(es), who immigrated to the area of Geelong, Victoria, Australia . . . I stumbled upon his Australia burial information!

The information can be found through the Research tab of the Geelong (Victoria, Australia) Cemeteries Trust: http://www.gct.net.au/
 
He was buried 2 Apr 1870 at Drysdale Cemetery:
Location DRY-COE-1-807-149
Section Church Of England
Row 1
Grave 149

Note: Two of Page Doble's brothers, Adolphus and Northcote (spelled "Narket" in the 1841 census for Somerset) also immigrated to Australia. Their youngest brother, Mark C. Doble, remained in England. Mark C. Doble had a son born in 1870 who was named Page.

I have been trying to verify the 1870 Australia death of Page Doble since I found public member Ancestry.com family trees noting his death in 1870 and then indicating he was alive in 1900. I just didn't believe he was a vampire.  :D

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