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Hi,

My interest is definitely in the same family. My grandfather was Davenport Fabian Cartwright Blunt, son of Henry Blunt and Agnes Cartwright of Northampton. DFC married Edith Isobel Harris (related to Harris122 who started this topic?).

These Blunts, Cartwrights, Harrises and other families that the Harrises married into (Tarbets, Safferys, Todds, Websters & Provands were all members of the Catholic Apostolic Church (Irvingite); earlier generations were plainly also non-conformists. (The Wallers and Wathens were very close to Wesley). I am particularly interested in religious connections like this which could help explain connections and moves.

For example, I suspect that the family move to Shrewsbury may have been for religious reasons (there was a big non-conformist church there), but I don't have anything definite on this. There was definitely a Catholic Apostolic Church in Bedford where Henry Blunt and Agnes Cartwright settled.

I think I have all the census and most of the BDM information mentioned here. I have Blunts going back to a Richard Blunt (1620-1690), although with a couple of links that I am unsure of. I don't have a wife for this Richard or his grandson, also Richard (1669-1768). I can see people including Claire here saying that Robert (died 1773 buried St George the Martyr) was a clerk at the Bank of England, but I can't find anything to substantiate that this was the same person. I would be interested in information like this. I have him born in Petersfield, but probably just by copying someone else; I don't really have evidence for it. Robert's wife Mary Burbridge was also a widow at their wedding in Jan 1764. I haven't managed to find anything about her maiden name, family or first husband. (Two witnesses were called John and Ann Reynolds, or Reynotes but this hasn't helped me yet. Nor has the statement that the marriage licence was provided by the bishop of Winton, an old name for Winchester?)

I also lose track of other families on the female side fairly soon - the Allens, the Wallers and the Cartwrights, most particularly Agnes Cartrwright's mother, probably Mary Ann Clark. I am still investigating a few things about the Wallers and Wathens that look a little odd.

Any pointers on any of this would be very welcome. In return, I have lots of information on Blunt and related cousins. My most complete records are on a private Ancestry tree, which I will happily allow serious collaborators access to, and quite a bit of the information has already been transcribed to FamilySearch.

As to Mary Phipps:

1. I agree that the name on here marriage certificate probably looks slightly more like Marcham than Marlham. It could even be Markham, but that's less likely.

2. Thanks for the transcription of her children's baptism records. I can see baptism records too, but they are different. From Ancestry's non-conformist parochial records I have "Anna Phipps, daughter of Thomas and Mary Blunt of the parish of St George Southwark, born March 31st. 1806. & baptised May 11th. 1806 by me James Knight." For some of the others in the family, I can find two separate records, one contemporaneous and one added later by the Wathens to the registry set up by the Wesleyans, but not for these children. Could you point me to where to find what you have?

3. I still can't find reasonable candidates for her first husband, their marriage or his death, whichever variation of the name I use. I can see Mary Phipps m Joseph Salmon, Hackney 1795, but the names are too far apart, her signature very different and no witnesses that I recognise. Then there is a George Marlow (more promising, but still difficult to reconcile with the marriage cert) who married a Mary Phipps in Lambeth in Feb 1787 when Mary would have been 16. The handwriting there is closer, but there are still no witnesses that I recognise and no statement that the bride was a minor. I also can't see his death.

4. Does anyone have details of Mary's death? I can't find them either.

Please don't hesitate to contact if you think I can help any of you with anything.


Best wishes


Alan Watson

The John Clarke who married Joanna Falconer was the son of the James Clarke who married Margaret Mackay.

Alan

Hi,

More than one of the posts above mentions the children of Donald Mackay of Clasneach and Barbara Sutherland:

Donald of Clashneach, first wife was Barbara Sutherland, they had five children,
Mary b. abt 1725:
Margaret b. abt. 1726, d.29/9/1805, age 79yrs:
Cpt. George b.abt 1727:
Marian b. abt 1729.
Catherine: abt 1731

The Margaret Mackay mentioned here, who married James Clarke, was my 4th Great Grandmother. I can see her grave. The records for her descendants are clear, and your posts put together the various references for her parents' ancestors in The Book of Mackay and other sources.

My problem is that none of the sources you quote mentions Margaret herself. For example, you quote The Book of Mackay as saying "Barbara Sutherland, who married Donald Mackay of Clasneach. They had 3 children: George [already mentioned]; Marion who married John Mackay, Borley; and Mary who married Neil Morrison, Kylestrome."

Is there any direct evidence that Margaret (or Catherine) was a member of this family?

I would be very grateful for any help.


Alan Watson

Hi,

Sorry to reply so long after your original post, and without having exactly the information that you were looking for, but yesterday I happened to be looking through some Quaker records (most of these Watsons were Quakers) and saw some information about the marriage.

The file TippM-W2.jpg available here:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bowlesfamily/selected_records_from_irish_quaker_index_books.htm

contains an index record for the marriage in Limerick of Solomon Watson of Summerville Clonmel son of John Watson formerly of Clonbrogan to Mary Hill of Limerick. Unfortunately, it doesn't give the date of the marriage.

An index to the Carlow meeting records (file CarW-W1.jpg) also shows the marriage in 1686/8/8 of a William Watson to a Phebe Thompson, without listing who William's parents were or where the marriage took place. Samuel Watson who may or may not have been William's brother is listed as marrying Elisabeth Thompson, who may or may not have been Phebe's sister in 1676. A William, son of John (but no mention of a wife) is also recorded as dying in 1686/11/14 (file CarD-W1.jpg).

I think that several of these people are ancestors of mine - the families intermarried over many generations - and I am currently investigating them as many of the records about their parents seem inconsistent. I would be very interested in sharing any further information that you have about them.
I hope this helps,

Alan Watson