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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Who was Philip Crick (1777-1816)?
« on: Thursday 04 March 21 22:11 GMT (UK)  »
Annoyingly (as is often the case!), there appears to have been at least 2 couples in Bury in the late 18th century whose names were Philip & Susan Crick. In my opinion, Philip Crick Jnr. b.1778, was born to Philip Crick & Susan(nah) Mills. They were married on 2 May 1778 and Philip was born on 12 Nov 1778 so it looks like, as with many couples, they were expecting a child when they married.

Here are the children (I believe) were born to Philip Crick & Susan(nah) Mills in Bury St Edmunds:

Philip b. 1778 bap. 1779

Susanna b. 1779 bap. 1797

Elizabeth b. 1782 bap. 1797

Charlotte b. 1784 bap. 1797

Mary Ann b. 1787 bap. 1797

Edmund b. 1790 bap. 1797

Frances Sophia b. 1792 bap. 1795 (On Frances' baptism, her mother is listed as Susan MILLS)

As you can see, many were not baptised as babies and quite a few of them were baptised on Christmas Day in 1797.

Queenie  :)

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Who was Philip Crick (1777-1816)?
« on: Thursday 04 March 21 18:26 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry josey! :P
I need to learn to type quicker - should have done that in lockdown 1  ;D

Haha, that touch typing course I took 10 years ago is clearly paying off!

I found another record that interests me...

There are only 2 Philip Cricks that I can find baptism records for around 1777. One of them never leaves his home town but I can't find any other records in the same area for the second one.

Philip CRICK
born 12 Nov 1778
baptised 5 Jan 1779
in Saint James, Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk

Father: Philip Crick
Mother: Susan(nah) - this is particularly interesting because Philip & Mary's first daughter was called Susannah.

It is quite a distance from Bury to London but he was a fruit salesman so maybe he moved for more work? Not outside the realms of possibility.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Who was Philip Crick (1777-1816)?
« on: Thursday 04 March 21 17:41 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry josey! :P

Here is the burial of Maria's father, John Pond.

John POND

died aged 54, buried 4 September 1801 in St Paul, Covent Garden.

So he was born c. 1747.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Who was Philip Crick (1777-1816)?
« on: Thursday 04 March 21 17:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

There is an incorrect transcription on Ancestry. The actual baptism for Maria Pond, baptised 24 September 1778, is as follows:

Maria POND of John & Oriana.

John POND & Oriana MICHELL married 8 Aug 1771 in St Paul, Covent Garden, London.

Queenie  :)

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Staffordshire / Re: Where did Thomas Smith and Kitty Barnsley come from?
« on: Wednesday 03 March 21 19:29 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I looked at the Kitty born in Dukinfield but the surname is quite difficult to read so I looked for another record and the surname is clearly listed as BROMILY.

Unfortunately, as you have discovered, there does not seem to be a birth record for Kitty.

However, there are a few interesting leads…

Couples usually married in the parish of the bride and it seems there are many Barnsleys who went to the Presbyterian Church in Cradley, Halesowen.

In 1807, a Kitty Barnsley was baptised in Park Lane Presbyterian, Cradley, Worcester.
Her parents were Joseph Barnsley and Nancy Homer who married in 1790 in Rowley Regis, Stafford. Kitty and Thomas lived in Rowley and Joseph was also born there in c. 1771.

I wonder whether Joseph Barnsley & Kitty Smith were related, possibly siblings? It seems a bit of a coincidence if they were not…

They also both had a daughter called Phoebe (Joseph’s first daughter and Kitty’s second). This isn’t an incredibly common name so perhaps this is another link?

There is a very good chance that Kitty is a relative of all the other Barnsleys who attended Park Lane Presbyterian. However, proving it is another issue and without a record I don’t think anyone will ever know for sure.

Queenie  :)

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London and Middlesex / Re: Peter Ames
« on: Monday 01 March 21 19:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Graham,

I can only find the following baptism:

Peter [UNKNOWN] of James and Phyllis born Apr 13 1734, baptised Apr 25 in St Martin-In-The-Fields, London, Westminster, England.

Is this the Peter you were talking about?

Also, there is a marriage on 31 July 1760 between Peter Ames and Catherine Owen:

Peter Ames of the parish of Saint James Westminster, bachelor and Catherine Owen of this parish, spinster were married in this church [St George, Hanover Square].

Is this your Peter? His parish of Saint James Westminster and St Martin-in-the-Fields were next to each other but there is no way to confirm that the Peter born to James and Phyllis is in fact an Ames because they did not enter the surname for some strange reason.

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Glamorganshire Lookup Requests / Re: Samuel Charles 1795ish Swansea.
« on: Sunday 28 February 21 20:15 GMT (UK)  »
Looking on Ancestry, there are many trees with your ancestor in them and they all list Samuel's parents as Thomas & Anne Charles (like crisane said above).

In 1841, Samuel is listed as born in Shropshire. I can't explain why Swansea was listed in 1851 but there were certainly errors in census records, unfortunately  >:(. It is quite a big leap but not unheard of.

If he is this Samuel Charles b. 1797 in Shropshire then his parents are Thomas Charles & Ann Garbet who married on 6 August 1786: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKHP-7MS

Here is Thomas Charles in the 1841 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRV-4SQ. Interestingly, he lives up the road from your Samuel!




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Westmorland / Re: Help required please
« on: Saturday 27 February 21 14:43 GMT (UK)  »
Jeremiah Birkett, joiner m. Agnes Clarke 29 May 1837 in Liverpool, Lancashire:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKTX-D5X

In the 1841 census he is living with his wife, son James and Agnes Clark (presumably his mother-in-law): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ2P-M3Z

In the 1851 census he is living with his wife, and his 4 children:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG16-Q8G

In the 1861 census he is living with his wife, and his 5 children:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7BF-F4S

In the 1871 census he is living with his wife and his son, John:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD6S-HKN

From the census it appears he was born in 1813.

He died in 1880:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2JZ8-X9M

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I'd say that he may not be from another country just because he taught foreign languages. There were many educated young people who needed to earn a living and teaching whatever their skill was was one way of doing this - whether as a private tutor or governess or offering lessons

I've found a potential for Laurence jnr - b 1833 in London to Moses and Rayner, also from London. Moses was a merchant.

In 1841 he's in a school in May Place, Northfleet,  Kent with some of his siblings. The surnames of many of the pupils suggest this establishment might have jewish connections (and then a google suggests this was the first jewish boarding school in England)

Thank you for your reply! That's certainly an interesting theory. I have looked into this Laurance and can neither prove nor disprove that he was my ancestor. His parents are in a lot of public trees on Ancestry but no one seems to know what happened to him. Would also explain how he was able to teach foreign languages. As I mentioned in one of my other replies, the family were not Church of England so it is not impossible...

I suppose I have two theories now: he was foreign himself or he was this Laurance and received a good education at a boarding school.

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