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Travelling People / Re: Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help
« on: Tuesday 17 September 19 14:47 BST (UK)  »
Frederick Smith
Bn 1868 Woodhouse Eaves, Leic
Bp 18 Mar 1868 Woodhouse, Leic.
Marr 10 Feb 1923 Leicester Reg Office, address Van, Back of Hardina St, Leicester.  He said he was 45, he was 55 – His wife Nellie Elizabeth Horton (1903-1976) she was 23.
Died 1940 in the Workhouse Hospital, Swain St, Leicester from Chronic Myocardial degeneration and Chronic Nephritis aged 76.

1871 & 1881 Census he is with his parents and siblings.
I’ve not got him on the 1901 or 1911 census.
1939 register he is living in a house on Bendbow Rise, Leicester- Fred is a retired Hawker.

The had the following children:

Frederick Smith      1927
Harry Smith      1928
Lilian Smith      1933
Sheila E Smith       1934
John F Smith      1939

John (Jack) Smith
Bn 22 Dec 1872
Died 1946 Chatteris, Cambs.

On the 1881 census he is with his parents and siblings
Haven’t got him on the 1901.
1911 Census He’s with his partner Betsy Wesseldine (1872-1954) in a Caravan, Dingley Lane, Dingley, Northants.
1939 their in a Caravan, Williey Farm, Chatteries, Cambs.

They had the following children: (not 100% sure of the dates on these).
John Joseph Smith   1892-1979
Mary Ann Smith   1893/02-1975
Beatrice Smith      1896
Frederick Smith      1898
Eliza Smith      1899
Frank Smith      1901
William Smith      1906
Henry Smith      1907
Queenie Violet Smith   1909-1996
Samuel Smith      1909
Amos Smith      1913-1992
Bella Smith      1916

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Travelling People / Re: Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help
« on: Tuesday 17 September 19 14:47 BST (UK)  »
Jemima Smith
Bn 9 Jan 1865 Blidworth, Notts.
BP 11 Jul 1865 St Andrew’s, Eakring, Notts
Died 12 Feb 1941 Belgrave, Leic.
Bur in Thurmaston, Leic.
In 1888 she met Pharoah Stafford (1867-1928) at the Belton Horse Fair, both families being at the fair.
In 1889 they Jumped the Broom – both families were against the union, they didn’t want them marrying out of their casts – they use to meet in secret at “The Gate Hangs Well” pub in Syston, Leic.

I have her on the 1871 & 1881 census with her parents. 
1891 Jemima & Pharaoh are at 28 Victoria St, Belgrave, Leic.
1901 Jemima & Pharaoh are at Main St, South Thurmaston, Leic.
1911 Jemima & Pharaoh are at 41 Justice St, Leicester.
1939 Jemima is an impatient at the Leicester City Mental Asylum suffering from Senile Decay – times are different now thankfully.

I was also told that when Jemima got older, she lost her sight and went blind.

They had the following Children:
Lillie Stafford               1890-1892
Beatrice (Beta) Stafford            1891
John Robert Stafford            1892
Joseph (Joe) Stafford            1893-1960
Baby Stafford (born and died the same day)    1895-1895
Florence Stafford            1897
Edith Stafford               1898-1969
Pharaoh (Ernest Pharoah) Stafford      1900
Luther (Pharoah) Stafford          1902
Elizabeth Lilian Stafford            1904
Harold Stafford               1906-1979
Frederick Stafford            1909-1952


Marienna (Mireny) Smith
Bn 1873 Mapperley, Notts.

She is on the 1881 census with her parents and siblings
I have nothing on her after this.


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Travelling People / Re: Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help
« on: Tuesday 17 September 19 14:46 BST (UK)  »
Beatrice Smith
Bn Jan 1860 Braunston, Leicestershire
Bp 8 Jan 1860 Croxton Kerrial, Leic
Marr 16 Jan 1888 in Leicester – James Wesseldine 
D 2 Aug 1948 Nottingham, Notts.

1871 and 1881 census she is with her parents and family.
1939 Register she is living in Nottingham with her family and died there in 1948.

Children:
Lillie Wesseldine 1889-1957
John (Johnny) Wesseldine 1890-1971
Mary Ann Wesseldine 1892-
James Wesseldine 1894-1959
William Wesseldine 1894-1900


Thomas Albert Smith
Bn 1863 Plumbtree, Notts.
Bp 11 Jan 1863 Plumbtree, Notts.
D 1928 The old Workhouse Hospital, Nottingham.

Partnered Medlane Smith 1862-1907 (died from appendicitis) d/o Hawthorne Smith 1817-1883 & Cinamenta Smith 1819-1914

Children:
George Smith Bn 1889 Hyson Green, Notts.
Reservoir Smith Bn 5 Nov 1890 Castleton St, Nottingham -Died 1980 Doncaster, Yorkshire.
      She married in 1908 George Edward Sidney Margetts 1886-1941
Mary Ann Smith Bn 4 Apr 1893 Hyson Green – Died 1973 Nottingham, Notts.
      She married in 1915 Thomas Stanley 1892-1945
Beatrice Smith Bn 1899 Hyson Green, Notts.
Henry (Harry) Smith Bn 1901 Berridge Road, Hyson Green, Notts.

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Travelling People / Re: Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help
« on: Tuesday 17 September 19 14:46 BST (UK)  »
This is what I have found on Carolina Smith Smith, 2nd wife of John Smith

Carolina Smith
Bn Freeby, Leic.
Bp 29 Mar 1832 Waltham On The Wolds - Mother Sophia, Gipsy

Their children were:

George Oxby Smith’s    ½ Siblings by his father’s 2nd “wife”

Caroline (Carolana/Selina) Smith
Bn 1832 Freeby, Leicestershire – I think she is the sister of the 1st “wife” Maria Smith
Bp

Ann Smith
Bn about 1855
Bp 7 Aug 1856 Croxton Kerrial, Leicestershire – this was a double baptism with her sister Harriet.
I have nothing else on her so assume she died young.

Harriet Smith
Bn about 1867 Croxton Kerrial, Leicestershire – Baptised the same day as her sister Ann above.
I have nothing else on her so assume she died you too.

Eliza Smith
Bn May 1857 Whissendine, Rutland.
Bp 30 May 1857 Whissendine, Rutland.
Marr 13 Jun 1880 Frederick Charles Blankley, Horse Dealer, at St George’s, Leicester, Leicestershire.
Died 15 Dec 1901 In a Van, William St, Loughborough, Leicestershire from Post-Partum Haemorrhage.
The female child also died.

1871 and 1881 census, she is with her parents and siblings as before.
1891 Eliza and Fred are using the surname Smith and are with Eliza’s parents John and Maria on the Morledge, Derby with a fair.
1901 census Eliza and Fred are in a Caravan in Shepshed.

Children:
John Blankley Bn 13 Mar 1881 Barrow-upon-Soar, Leicestershire. – D?
Frederick Blankley Bn 1883 Nottingham, Notts – D 1928 Loughborough, Leic.
George Blankley Bn 1885 Nottingham, Notts – D 1889 Loughborough, Leic.
Albert Blankley Bn 1886 Loughborough, Leic – D 1887 Loughborough, Leic
Flora Ann Blankley Bn 1888 Loughborough Leic – D 1888 Loughborough, Leic
Ernest Blankley Bn 1889 Syston, Leic – D 1939 Leicester, Leic
William Blankley Bn 30 Mar 1891 Loughborough, Leic – D 1891 Loughborough, Leic
Samuel Blankley Bn 1893 Market Harborough, Leic – D July 1893, Loughborough, Leic
Sidney Blankley Bn about 1895 Leicester, Leic – D 1968 Loughborough, Leic
Nathan Blankley Bn Feb 1896 – D 27 Aug 1896 Hinkley, Leic
Thomas Blankley Bn 7 Jun 1897 Litchfield, Staffs – D Jun 1897 Leicester, Leic
Female Child bn 15 Dec 1901 Loughborough, Leic – D 15 Dec 1901 Loughborough, Leic

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Travelling People / Re: Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help
« on: Saturday 14 September 19 17:07 BST (UK)  »
Joseph Smith
Bn 4 Jan 1878 Breedon on the Hill, Leicestershire
Bp 19 Jan 1878 Breedon on the Hill
Died Apr qtr 1957 in Nottingham.
He's on the 1881 census and a Newspaper article in Feb 1893 in Evaston Derbyshire with his Mother Maria and Brother-in-law Amos Towle.  The appears on the 1939 register in a caravan with his sister Charlotte Ann Smith (bn1881) in a Caravan, Holborn Place, Nottingham - living with his sister Charlotte Ann (Annie) both Amusement caterers.  Encamped nearby is a group of Showmen including Sonny Brinkley and Lily Wesseldine (she is his niece) and Adolphus Brinkley and Rosie Smith (his niece d/o of his brother William Smith) who later went on to live in the house at 2 Pegg Terrace, Essex Street, Nottingham - Info from Panished made this connection for me - Thanks  :)


Charlotte Ann (Annie) Smith
Bn 5 Apr 1881 Pickwell, Nottinghamshire
Bp 7 Apr 1881 Pickwell,
Died Sep qtr 1954 Basford, Notts.
I have her on the 1891 census, then nothing until the 1939 register where she is with her brother Joseph and Nieces encamped in Holborn Place, Nottingham.

I will post what I have on the children of John (Johnny 2 Wives) Smith have his 2nd "wife"
Carolina (Coralana/Selina) Smith bn 1832 Freeby, Leicestershire. As soon as I get it typed.

Please feel free to correct me - or add any other information you may have - and ask any questions...





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Travelling People / Re: Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help
« on: Saturday 14 September 19 17:06 BST (UK)  »
Carolina (Selina) Smith
Bn 1866 Bingham, Notts
Bp 5 Aug 1866 St Helen's, Kneeton, Nottinghamshire.
Nothing else on her...



Mary Ann Smith
Bn 6 May 1870 Redhill, Arnold, Nottingham.
Bp 6 May 1870 St Mary's, Arnold, Nottingham.
Died 12 Apr 1949 from Cancer at 161 Ormaston Rd, Derby - her Granddaughter’s house.
She was said to be a small thin woman with long silver hair always tied back and always wore a white pinny.  She was a local midwife and animal healer.

With an unknown partner (possibly a William Smith?)
She had:
Rose Ann Smith bn 1889 ? - died 1930 Derby.
 
Partnered George Slater 1860-1929 both Derby.
She had the following Children:
Silvery (Silvia Slater) Smith 1894-1980 both Derby
Mary Ann (Slater) Smith 1896-1983 both Derby
Violet (Slater) Smith 1899-1981 both Derby
Matilda (Tilda/Hilda Slater) Smith 1902-1995 both Derby


Samuel Smith
Bn Mar 1872 Arkwright St, Nottingham
Bp 10 Mar 1872 St Saviour’s, Nottingham
died before 1891

Hezekial (Kezia) Smith 
1881 census he is down as Kezia (Female), and also on baptism Kesia? – Horse Groom Assistant in Derby.
1891 census as Hezekial (male)?
bp 17 Nov 1873 Holy Trinity, Kimberley, Nottinghamshire.
no trace after 1891

Florence (Flory/Florrie) Smith
Bn 1876 Goadby Marwood, Leicestershire.
Bp 24 Mar Goadby Marwood
Nothing on her after the 1881 census.

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Travelling People / Re: Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help
« on: Saturday 14 September 19 17:05 BST (UK)  »
George Smith full siblings are
(Children of John (Johnny 2 wives) and Maria Smith).

Menty - Cinamenta Smith   1856-1949
Bn 24 Dec 1856 Eastwell, Leicestershire
Marr 12 Mar 1888 in Kegworth, Leicestershire. 
Died 1949 Leicester, Leicestershire.
Amos and Menty had the following children:
Maria Towle 1889 - died before 1891
Emma Towle 1890-1891
John Towle 1891 2 Oct - 1939 reg he is a General Dealer living near his Mum in her Van.Charlotte Ann Towle 1893-1893
Eliza Towle 1894-1895
Alice Towle 1896-1898
Hannah (Toll) Towle 1896
Florence (Loodle) Towel 1899-1986
1939 Van, Thornbury Rd, Coalville, Leicester - her Grandson, John Smith, Rag gatherer is with her.

Isaiah Smith 1860-
Bn Nov 1860 Willoughby on the wolds - died 1868 Bingham, Nottinghamshire.
Died before 1871.

Levi Smith 1863-1864
Bn Jan 1863
Died 1863/4
Buried 2 Jan 1864 Croxton Kerrial, Leicestershire.

William Smith  1864-1947
Bn 12 Nov 1864 Willoughby on the wolds, Nottinghamshire.
Bp 14 Nov 1864 Willoughby on the Wolds.
Died 1947 Nottingham.
Partnered with Minnie Bacon 1870-1955
children:
Rose (Rosie) Smith bn 1892 (I have no proof of this, but a good hunch).
Emma Smith bn 1893 Hathern, Leicestershire.
William Smith bn 1896 Eastwood, Notts
Polly Smith 1900-1917 both Nottingham.
Charles Henry 1904-1943 Both Nottingham.
Rainy Smith 15 Feb 1907 - In a Van, Bosworth Rd, Nottingham - nothing on her after 1911 census.
Sidney 1909-1995 both Nottingham.


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Travelling People / Re: Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help
« on: Saturday 14 September 19 17:04 BST (UK)  »
GEORGE OXBY SMITH "Gypsy Smith" 1868-1941.
 He also used the alias Clayton.
George Oxby Smith was about in 1868 Stanton, Nr Bingham, Nottinghamshire, he was the son of John (Johnny) Smith bn 1833 Tur Langton, Leicestershire s/o Samuel Smith 1791-1864 and Reservoy (Reservoir) Smith 1796-1860, I think they were Uncle and Niece... George’s mother was Maria Smith bn Scalford, Leicestershire, d/o Levi Smith bn 1810 and Sophia Smith born 1811-
George's Father Johnny also had another partner at the same time (I believe the "wives" were also sisters) both wives were his 1st cousins.

1871 - He is encamped with his father, his father’s 2 "wives" and all their children in Snenton, Notts.

1881 - He is again encamped with his father, his father’s 2 "wives" and children in Pickwell, Leicestershire.

1891 - I can't find him, but by this time he has formed a partnership with Ellen Clayton bn about 1873 (not been able to find anything on her before being with George Smith – she possibly died 1912 Nottingham, but not sure at all.

1901 – I cannot find him.

1911 - He is now in Nottingham at 12 Nelson Square, Nelson St, Nottingham - A Hawker of drapery goods.  He's with Ellen Clayton, they say on the census Married 20yrs 13 children born alive, 8 living, 5 had died.  Children with them on this census are:
Angelina 15
Mente 14
Alfred 12
Esperella (Esmeralda) 7
John 4
Frank 2
All the children are said to be born in Leicester.  I have the birth cert for Esmeralda as mentioned previously in this thread - she was born 25 Feb 1904 in a Van on Robert Street, Leicester.

Some of the children used the surname Clayton-Smith at times.

On 27 Jul 1912 George Smith married in Nottingham Registry Office Agnes White bn 5 Nov 1893 - 1982.  He gives his age as 35 (he was really 44), gives his occupation as Horse Dealer and her age as 24 (she's really 19) - she was mentioned in a newspaper article in 1936 as being of stout build, with black hair and a sallow complexion. George's Fathers occupation is given a Clothes Dealer, and Agnes's father is Robert White (deceased) Scissor Grinder. Witnesses are A Bacon and E Smith.

1939 Register George and Agnes are living 4 Keswick Street, Snienton, Nottingham with Agnes and some of their children.  Some of George’s other children are living in nearby houses.

Panished has previously helped with Newspaper Articles mentioning and about George Smith which has been really useful…  Thanks.

I will also upload notes I have on George’s Full Siblings and then another upload of his ½ siblings…

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Travelling People / Re: Nottingham stopping ground-Smiths Field? Help
« on: Tuesday 03 September 19 20:56 BST (UK)  »
I will write up George's story (What I know it) when I'm fresh and awake, I'll get my facts right then... - he is the son of John "Johnny 2 wives" Smith and his 1st co-wife Maria Smith, the other co-wife was her sister Carolina Smith.   Kx

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