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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Leyton, Municipal Borough - 1944
« on: Friday 24 September 21 09:14 BST (UK)  »
Right-o, Thank you Cooper1.

I'm about 4 hours away (well 3 on a night run, and 7 when the M25 is chock-a-block  :-X )... Enjoy your walk in the September sunshine.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Leyton, Municipal Borough - 1944
« on: Friday 24 September 21 08:17 BST (UK)  »
Hello and good morning Cooper1,


Yes it has been sometime since I have visited Rootschat as I have been writing a novel! However, travel was limited during lock-down and unfortunately we had a number of health issues within the wider family which required much time to assist with.


Strangely I put the map that I received from our previous conversation in my case a couple of days ago as I will be visiting family in SE Essex in a couple of weeks and I am planning on taking my father to visit cemetery to see if we can find the grave marker for his Great Grandfather Harry Richard Edgley. My dad is descended through Harry's first wife.


If you do find the marker (the area of which I've highlighted on the map you sent) and do take any photos please do upload them here.


Thank you! Stay well and safe!  :)


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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Leyton, Municipal Borough - 1944
« on: Friday 18 December 20 13:09 GMT (UK)  »
Hello @Copper1, Emma et al,


Thank you for your last 3 posts, sorry it has taken me awhile to write, life has been rather frustrating recently and plagued with pitfalls!


I am sure Emma will reply when she can. For myself I am a direct descendant of Hagar and Harry Edgeley, and since I started researching their deaths through various means, including interviewing the daughter of the Hagar's Sister I have learned much of the story. Your reply only adds more information for which I thank you. I live in DOrset and had planned on visiting their graves this summer but Covid put a stop to that! Next year I shall look again!

Here's what I know:


Harry and Hagar had her sister Gladys, and her young daughter, Constance, living with them in Ashville Road. Gladys worked as a shorthand typist in London. Constance was studying as a shorthand typist herself at the Pitman Training College.


As the earlier Blitz of London was over - the last bombs having fallen on the night of 11th May 1940, although raids did take place throughout 1942, it was nothing like the constant bombardment of '41 - children had started to return to their homes from enforced evacuation and life was getting back to some semblance of wartime 'normality' (I wonder if they called it the new normal?). However, nearly 3 years had passed when suddenly during January 1944 the Bombs started to fall again. This was what the German High Command called "Operation Steinbock" - some newspaper wag called it the 'little blitz', and this stuck.


The little blitz, or 'baby blitz as it was also known, was a strategic bombing campaign by the German Air Force which targeted southern England and lasted from January to May 1944. As a side note: around 500 German aircraft took part this campaign. There were 14 raids on London and more on Bristol, Hull and Cardiff. Altogether over 1,500 people were killed and around 3,000 seriously injured!


Constance, who had just celebrated her 16th birthday recalled that on the night of 29th January 1944, which was a Saturday evening, she was in the kitchen of Ashville Road helping her mother cook the cats food when they heard the Air Raid Siren's start to wail. They had been out most of the afternoon having taken Hagar to see a Doctor as they were worried about her health, they were tired and upset by the Doctors report; the last thing they needed was an air raid! Harry, who was in the back room with Hagar, shouted that they were staying put as they were listening to a radio program on the BCC! Stuff Mr. Hilter! Stuff the Luftwaffe!


Harry had previously refused to dig up his garden for an Anderson Shelter saying that as they had a good strong kitchen table which they could to take cover under, if need be. Then they heard the boom of explosions as the bombs fell. They all realised that the booms were quite close - and getting closer still, so Gladys told Constance to get under the table - which she did, her mum was taking the hot saucepan of cat food off the cooker when all hell let loose - BOOM!


Silence...


When she came too, Constance was stunned, covered in dust and debris, her ears rang with high pitch whistling - yet were dulled and deafened by the volume of the explosion - which had rocked her to the core. She was laying on her back in the demolished kitchen... The kitchen table had been blown over and as she began to focus her eyes through the dust which filled the air, her hearing returned as she could her her mother calling for help. Her mum was laying in/on a pile of rubble and masonry, and Harry and Florence were buried under the a tall and heavy dresser which had been knocked over by the blast - they were covered by the remains of their smashed dinner service.


Two soldiers rescued Constance and her mum, who was brought out on a stretcher and taken off to hospital where she spent the next 3 months in recovery. Harry and Florence were killed outright by the blast.


The bomb had actually not hit the house directly but fell a short distance away damaging several house and killing a number of people at that end of Ashville Road.

This is a tragic story and only goes to show the futility of war and its long term effects.

AS I said I hope that visit their graves next year if I can find them with the information you have supplied me with!

Thank you.

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This looks like it might be the burial for Arthur... https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/171302116
There is a possibility that this might be Winnifred in the 1926 census, married to a Percy Boyton. Lines 17, 18, 19..... http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=census1926&op=img&id=e011241214
Unfortunately, the marriage index for Saskatchewan is not on line yet...their indexes are a work in progress.
This Winnifred appears to have been buried as Winnifred A Boyton.... https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/179456519
Anyway, food for thought.



Hi PolarBear,


My Apologies that it has been so long since you wrote but life has taken a few wild turns throughout 2020 - globally too! I have now looked up all this data and the links and I wanted to say I really appreciate you taking the time to put them online and help solve this little family mystery!

Hoping you are keeping well and safe!  :)


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The Common Room / Re: Chr. Calcutta
« on: Sunday 19 April 20 20:15 BST (UK)  »
Might be a parish name - short for Christ Church?...

Thanks for the reply but I think that ShaunJ below has the answer I was looking for! Thank you.

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The Common Room / Re: Chr. Calcutta
« on: Sunday 19 April 20 20:13 BST (UK)  »
Brilliant thank you for your reply ShaunJ

I had wondered if it might be an LDS thing. That explains it. ;D

Thanks again.

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The Common Room / Chr. Calcutta
« on: Friday 17 April 20 06:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi All,

I have come across a couple of ancestors who in the 1800's went abroad to Chr. Calcutta. I should imagine that Chr. is an abbreviation for Christian, but a search of the internet only brings up people born in Chr. Calcutta.

Can anyone explain why it was referred to as Chr. Calcutta and not just Calcutta?

Thank you.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Leyton, Municipal Borough - 1944
« on: Tuesday 03 March 20 14:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Imber,

Thanks for your comment but the date and circumstances of their death's has been passed through the family line father to son etc.  :) I have seen the Commonwealth Graves Commission entry and that only reinforces the events.

Brian

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Leyton, Municipal Borough - 1944
« on: Tuesday 03 March 20 10:14 GMT (UK)  »
One last post before I sign off.

Here is an extract from an interesting article that mention's the Little Blitz of early 1944 and has a quote from Clementine Churchill (Baroness Soames) who was working as a member of the ATS. The link to its original website page it at the bottom. This is a shortened version:


"21 January 1944 - 19 April 1944: The 'Little Blitz'


From January to April 1944, substantial German air raids resumed on London in the so-called ‘Little Blitz’ (or ‘Baby Blitz’). Greater London and south east England were singled out for attack again in retaliation for British saturation bombing of major German cities, particularly Berlin. In a last major conventional night bombing effort - Operation Steinbock - the Luftwaffe devoted 524 aircraft for new night raids on London, including Junkers JU88S, Junkers JU188, Dornier Do217, Messerschmitt ME410 and Heinkel HE177 bombers. Around 460 aircraft from this force were airworthy.

During four months of raids – fourteen on London (seven on Westminster) and others on Bristol, Hull and Cardiff - approximately 1,500 people were killed with almost 3,000 seriously injured. In London, people flocked again to the Underground stations, as they had done in 1940-1941 (deep public shelters were still not available).

On the night of 21-22 January 1944 the 'Little Blitz' began. 400 aircraft, flying in two waves, dropped 268 tons of high explosive bombs and thousands of incendiaries on south east England and London. ...

On 28 January, 285 bombers attacked the Surrey Commercial Docks, in the process causing major fires.

Additional air raids on London took place on 29 January and on 19, 20, 23, 24 and 29 February 1944. ...

The final raid of the ‘Little Blitz’ took place on the night of 18-19 April 1944. ...

Winston Churchill’s youngest daughter, Baroness Soames, experienced the ‘Little Blitz’ at first hand in London whilst a member of the Auxiliary Territorial Service (ATS):

Early in 1944, the enemy once more turned his attention upon the cities of this country, London being the chief target. Londoners accepted this resumption of the air raids stolidly, but people were just that much wearier; three years of the sheer slog of wartime life since the first Blitz had inevitably taken their toll. During the ‘Little Blitz’, the noise was truly appalling, most of it being caused by our own, much more formidable defences, and even a quiet night brought little rest to many thousands of men and women, who, after their day’s work, went home to do their stint as Air Raid Wardens and Firewatchers. Westminster was no more immune than other parts of London: on the night of 20 February 1944, Downing Street and Whitehall once again suffered bomb damage”
(Mary Soames: ‘Clementine Churchill’, 1979)."

For further reading see : http://www.westendatwar.org.uk/page_id__152_path__0p2p.aspx

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