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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Sunday 07 January 24 15:31 GMT (UK)  »
This looks like the widow of James Bryson (d. 1850) of Ballyvoy / Cove Lodge:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06378/4830366.pdf

Registered by her grandson William Bryson of Duncansland (the son of James Bryson) who was born in 1865.  He also registered the deaths of his mother in 1898 and father in 1909.

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Sunday 07 January 24 13:47 GMT (UK)  »
PRONI T956/146

5th May 1853.  Indenture between Robert Bryson of Ballyvoy, carpenter, 1st, and John Bryson of Ballyvoy, farmer, 2nd. 

Whereas by lease dated 1st Jun 1812 between Marquis of Donegall 1st; James Bryson of Ballyvoy 2nd, Donegall granted Bryson the land called Duncansland containing 80a 22p (then in the occupation of said James Bryson as assignee of Patrick Allen by virtue of a lease thereof granted by Donegall to Patrick Allen dated 14th Aug 1769) to hold for 61 years from 1st May then past, at yearly rent of £22-5s.

And whereas the estate and interest of the said James Bryson the lessee in a portion of said lands comprising 6a 1r are become vested in said Robert Bryson.

And whereas the said John Bryson hath agreed with Robert for the absolute purchase of said portion of said demised lands and premises and every part thereof formerly called Morrow’s Land, from the head of the wetland down to the river, for the price of £100.

Robert Bryson acknowledges receipt of said £100 an grants John Bryson said 6a 1r in the townland of Ballyvoy, for the remainder of the 61 years from 1812, and subject to repayment of a proportionate part of aid rent.

Witnessed by Francis Ferguson and James Ramsey.

ROD Memorial 1853/12/225.

The identification of Robert Bryson as a carpenter is useful, because that is how he is described in the marriages of his daughters Margaret and Martha in 1865.  Those names match the nieces mentioned in the will of John Bryson of Ballyvoy (1859).



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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Sunday 07 January 24 13:08 GMT (UK)  »
James Bryson of Ballyvoy/Cove Lodge also had daughters Elizabeth Shaw Bryson* and Mary Jane Bryson.  I don’t know what happened to Mary Jane, but Elizabeth Shaw married Robert Semple in 1850:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09380/5397371.pdf

Hugh Semple was a witness to the above marriage as well as James Bryson’s (1850) will.

Robert Semple and Elizabeth Shaw Bryson had several children between 1851 and 1866 – baptisms can be found here:

http://www.doaghancestry.co.uk/search-family-names/kilbride-presbyterian-baptisms/

Robert and Elizabeth died a month apart aged 88 and 95, and their deaths are registered on the same page:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05446/4523652.pdf

*James Bryson (d. 1832) and James Bryson (d. 1850) both had wives called Elizabeth.  Probably Shaw was the maiden name of one of them.

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Sunday 07 January 24 12:54 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: threekids5 on Thursday 28 December 23 18:25 GMT (UK)
James Bryson d. 1909 was the son of Robert Bryson and Margaret Warwick and the grandson of James Bryson from Covelodge.  The James Bryson d. 1832 had two children John d.1841 and Joice d. 1862. John had several children including John d. 1859 whose will I sent you.

James Bryson d. 1909 lived on the Ballyvoy property as he took the lease over from John d. 1841 after he died. James's descendents are the current owners and inherited the property which includes Covelodge, a home that was one and a half stories but now two stories, the original stone cottage and a stone cottage that only the foundation exists now. 

That's the info I have from the current residents of the property. I haven't found any other records for children of James Bryson d. 1832 other than the will which lists Joice.  :)

I’m not convinced ;)  Here is James Bryson’s marriage to Agnes in which his father is given as James Bryson (not Robert):

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1855/09484/5437271.pdf

And I’ve just found the will of James Bryson (1850) in which he names a son James:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ8-MQ73?i=238&cat=232751

He also refers to his daughter Margaret, wife of Charles Bryson – so we know this James Bryson who died in 1850 is the same James Bryson who was of Cove Lodge in 1835.

James Bryson (d. 1909) was apparently buried in the same plot as James Bryson of Ballyvoy (d. 1832), but I suppose that isn’t proof he was a grandson. 


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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Wednesday 27 December 23 22:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Lorna, I’m missing Rev. Alexander Bryson’s marriage – was it in 1819?  Was there a newspaper notice?

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Antrim / Re: Donegore - Bryson-Wilson
« on: Wednesday 27 December 23 18:38 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: threekids5 on Wednesday 15 November 23 22:47 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Gilby on Wednesday 15 November 23 22:05 GMT (UK)
This was the marriage I was thinking of:

Belfast Newsletter, 31 Jul 1835   
By the Rev. Alex. Bryson, Seceding Minister, Charles Bryson, Esq. Ballybracken, to Margaret, eldest daughter to James Bryson, Esq. Cove-lodge.

If Cove Lodge was on the Ballyvoy farm, then that's Duncansland I think?  So I was wondering if James Bryson (1826-1909) of Duncansland may have been a son of James Bryson of Cove Lodge.

No, James Bryson (1826-1909) was the grandson of James Bryson of Covelodge. 1826 James Bryson was the son of Robert Bryson and Margaret Warwick. He is also the direct line great+ grandfather of the current owner.  He’s buried in Plot 164 with most of his descendants who’ve passed.

The marriage record you’re referencing is Covelodge James Bryson’s daughter Margaret married Charles Bryson in 1835.

Cove Lodge still exists and the brother of the current owner of Ballyvoy farm lives in the home.

Sorry, got sidetracked again!

According to his marriage record, James Bryson (1826-1909) was son of a James Bryson, not Robert.  Do you mean his wife Agnes Bryson was the daughter of Robert Bryson and Margaret Warwick?

My thinking was the line might run something like this:

James Bryson (c1746-1832) of Ballyvoy
---- James Bryson (??-??) of Covelodge
-------- James Bryson (c1826-1909) of Duncansland

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Antrim / Re: Stewarts of Ballintoy and some related families
« on: Saturday 02 December 23 21:51 GMT (UK)  »
Just came across this while sorting books, so thought I'd post...

Names of tenants on part of the Earl of Antrim's estate in May 1641 (Directory Irish Family History Research, 2020):
The following list of names has been extracted from a copy in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (ref. T694/1) of a document held in the British Library (ref. Harleian MS 2138, ff 111-16).  The document is described in the British Library catalogue as the 'Book of the Survey of part of the lands and possessions of Randal Earl of Antrim, May 1641'.
...
20. Seacon More [Seacon More, parish of Ballymoney, County Antrim]
Robert Stewart, gentleman, holds a quarter from the Earl, arable and pasture 187, meadow 8, moss 22, in all 217...
...
Robert Stewart, gentleman, (#20).  Robert Stewart of Ballintoy held a lease from the Earl of Antrim, 1640 (D2977/3A/3/1/18).

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Antrim / Re: Stewarts of Ballintoy and some related families
« on: Tuesday 21 November 23 22:28 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: pablo1 on Tuesday 21 November 23 01:53 GMT (UK)
I am a wee bit confused about the will of Robert Ferguson, though, as to why he called Dorothea and Bell Stewart his sisters and James Stewart his brother.

Sorry!  That's my mistake.  For Ferguson, read Stewart!  It should make more sense then ;)

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Antrim / Re: Stewarts of Ballintoy and some related families
« on: Sunday 19 November 23 15:21 GMT (UK)  »
Interesting that they married at Ballintoy Castle.  Does this help with identifying where Thomas fits into the wider Dawson tree?  I guess Magherafel is supposed to be Magherafelt.

Belfast Newsletter, 1-5 Apr 1791:
MARRIED.] At the castle of Ballintoy, Mr. Thomas Dawson of Magherafel, to the amiable Miss Stewart, daughter of the late Counsellor Stewart of Billy in the county of Antrim.

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