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Derbyshire / Isabel or Elisabeth?
« on: Monday 08 February 21 17:19 GMT (UK)  »
Has anyone come across these names being interchangeable?
I'm trying to sort out my Trevis/Trevise ancestors from Little Rowsley. John Trevis who died in 1710, had a wife called Elizabeth so named on the Probate administration papers. I can't find a relevant marriage for him.
He had 6 children (I think)
Mary 1685
Elizabeth 1688
Elizabeth 1691
Isabel 1695
Henry 1700
John (bapt not traced)

In the admin papers Elizabeth is charged with bringing up Isabel. Henry and John, because they are under the age of majority.
Her signature is witnessed by Caleb Stubbing who is married to Mary Trevis (marriage 1710). So far so good!
I had thought that Elizabeth died and was buried in 1721 (PRs show her as daughter of Isabell Trevise) I now think this was  sister Elizabeth
 There is a will of  Isabel Trevis of Calow in 1728.
In this will she leaves bequests to her daughter Mary (wife of Caleb Stubbing), Sons John and Henry, and names Caleb and Isaac Cowley as Executors, described as sons in law.  (Isaac Cowley of Brampton married Isabel Trevis at S Wingfield in1726). The name on the will is clearly Isabell!
  Does my theory hold water or am I clutching at straws?
I welcome any comments - I have checked original documentation where possible!!
Sorry for the long post. :)



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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Staveley family of KIrkburn
« on: Tuesday 26 January 21 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for this. I have tried to follow up and look at the Harrisons in more detail (Can't think why I didn't consider doing this before your suggestion! :))
I have FindMyPast as well as Ancestry but once I started I managed to confuse myself even more.
The only Frances I can find are
a) Jonathan's (b @1687) wife who he married in 1717. She was Frances Newlove from Wetwang (aged 22) She dies in1736.
b) Frances Wife of Richard who died in 1738
c) Fran Harrison wife of Steven died 1697

Assuming Stephen may be another son of Jonathan (and Elizabeth ) they may have had a daughter Frances given naming traditions, but there wouldn't seem to be a baptism record.

Looking at all the baptisms available (FindMyPast has original PRs ) it looks like there were two Stephens, and two Richard Harrisons all from Tibthorpe and all baptising children between 1680 and 1700

I think I will have to consider this a brick wall for now. If you want any data for your Harrison branch let me know!

I might just have a look at the Jeffersons in more detail , maybe the answer is with them!

Thanks
Ruth

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Staveley family of KIrkburn
« on: Sunday 24 January 21 16:01 GMT (UK)  »
I have traced my family back to Isaac Staveley born@1718, and have all relevant details about his wife and children .
However I am struggling with his parents. There are a number of trees on Ancestry that consider his parents to be Robert Staveley b1673 in Millington and mother Frances Harrison.
There is also a Robert Staveley born@1682 marrying Elizabeth Jefferson in Lund on 19 Sept 1703 which seems to be a better fit. His age is shown on the banns application, but I can't find a relevant birth/baptism. Can anyone help?  Justification for either couple would be great !!

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 ;) ;) ;)

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I've lived around this area all my life and can't think of anywhere that would fit the bill. The nearest is Holmesfield but how that could become ' Heascham' defeats me even when I use my broadest accent ;D !

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Derbyshire / Re: John Travis/Trevis of Brampton
« on: Wednesday 05 August 20 16:34 BST (UK)  »
I have sent you an email with attachments about the Barkers and Travis. Not looked into the Wraggs in too much detail yet, or got links to the Stubbs or Dakins. I have been looking at the Gills with a possible connection to Smedleys, but haven't been able to verify it yet. Most of the Gills came from Bonsall but haven't found the link to the Darley Gills yet.

So glad we have made contact , its exciting to find a connection this far back! I don't have an online tree, but always glad to share info!
 :)

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Derbyshire / Re: John Travis/Trevis of Brampton
« on: Tuesday 04 August 20 12:18 BST (UK)  »
Sorry I haven't replied before, for some reason I wasn't notified, and only saw it by chance!

I have researched these lines as far as I can and I agree they get very complicated!
I need to look back before I reply in any depth to remind myself, but I agree that John born in Rowsley is the one we are looking for!
I too am descended from Travis, Gill and Barker.

 My Barker link is through Jonathan, who also lived at Rowsley Hall, died 1750. John Travis lived there too and was a witness to Jonathan's will.  However most of my line is through the female side, Anne Travis (Bridget Milner's sister) who married Henry Fielding in 1811. Incidentally their son (my gggrandfather) Joseph Gill Fielding married his first cousin Bridget and William Milner's daughter  Mary, thus reducing my research lines!

I will pm you with my email address so you can let me know yours. I can then send you some details, and my research as attachments.

Did you know that  Rowsley Hall is actually The Peacock Hotel now?
Looking forward to hearing from you.
PS Don't put your email on chat it is not allowed, you will need to make 3 posts before you can send private message, but you will hopefully be able to read mine!
 

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Derbyshire / Re: job whyatt/wyatt
« on: Wednesday 15 July 20 16:07 BST (UK)  »
Yes I have tried the same - with the same results!  It looks like this will remain a brick wall.
 I periodically check websites to see if there is anything new, and will hopefully one day get to Derbyshire archives in Matlock (I don't live too far away, but haven't managed it yet).I will pm you with my email address,so if you want you can let me know your email then if I find anything I will let you know.
I presume you have details of the Wyatt burials from Sheffield Indexers?

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Derbyshire / Re: job whyatt/wyatt
« on: Tuesday 14 July 20 15:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi Glen,
 You will find MHs birth in Chesterfield, he was baptised at Crooked Spire in 1821. As you can see from this thread  his father (Job) was married 3 times and had loads of children - I found eleven baptisms I think , but only MH survived.
There is a record of Job's death (in the local paper) and his wife (ann Hodgkinson) a little later.  Job's father was John (according to baptism record) but I haven't been able to find anything further. There are a few Whyatt families in Chesterfield but I have not been able to find any links to either John or Job. It may be that John originated elsewhere. The spelling also varies- wyett is another variation!

Is your friend related to this branch of our family?

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